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Building a PC, need opinion

treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
in Hardware

Hello guys,

 

A friend of mine wants to build a new gaming PC for around 1000 euros. We are from Spain. I made a quick set up which is this one:

 

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5Ghz Box
Asus P8Z77-V LX
Noctua NH-D14
Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR3 1600MHz 2x4 GB CL10
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB SATA3
AeroCool DS Cube Red/Black  -->this is the PC box
AeroCool Value Power 750W
Asus GeForce GTX 760 DirectCU II OC 2GB GDDR5
AeroCool Strike-X X1000 --> SD reader etc
LG GH24NSB0 Grabadora DVD 24x Negra -->DVD reader and recorder
 
 
Do you think it is a good built PC? I would say yes but I want someone with more experience to tell me his opinion :) thanks

Comments

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973

    You're missing SSD hard disk.

    I think the motherboard you chose doesn't fit inside the case you chose. I just checked this quickly so I could be mistaken.

     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    You're putting money in the wrong places.

    The power supply is a piece of junk and likely a danger to the system.  What matters with power supplies is quality more so than nominal wattage.  You'd be fine with a good quality 550 W power supply, and that might not cost much more than a bad "750 W" power supply.

    A Core i7 processor is a waste of money on that budget unless you have unusual needs.  Ordinarily, you'd want to save money and get a Core i5-4670K (or -4690K, depending on how it's priced); if you really need the extra threads, then the way to get it is also by saving money and taking an FX-8350.

    You need to make up your mind as to whether you want to overclock much, though on that budget, I'd advise against it.  If you do want to overclock, you'd want a motherboard built for it.  If not, then you should save a lot of money by going with a cheaper CPU cooler.

    The case is awfully expensive for that budget, too.

    And on a 1000 Euro budget, I'd think you'd really want an SSD.  Any computer without an SSD is slow, no matter what else it has.  These days, even 240 GB or so doesn't have to cost much more than $100.

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    But in many cases, whether parts are reasonable depends not just on the parts themselves, but on the price tag.  Where are you looking to buy parts?

  • BurntCabbageBurntCabbage Member UncommonPosts: 482
    scrap intell if your penny pinching...go amd if you looking for a cheap budget imo
  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    You're putting money in the wrong places.

    The power supply is a piece of junk and likely a danger to the system.  What matters with power supplies is quality more so than nominal wattage.  You'd be fine with a good quality 550 W power supply, and that might not cost much more than a bad "750 W" power supply.

    A Core i7 processor is a waste of money on that budget unless you have unusual needs.  Ordinarily, you'd want to save money and get a Core i5-4670K (or -4690K, depending on how it's priced); if you really need the extra threads, then the way to get it is also by saving money and taking an FX-8350.

    You need to make up your mind as to whether you want to overclock much, though on that budget, I'd advise against it.  If you do want to overclock, you'd want a motherboard built for it.  If not, then you should save a lot of money by going with a cheaper CPU cooler.

    The case is awfully expensive for that budget, too.

    And on a 1000 Euro budget, I'd think you'd really want an SSD.  Any computer without an SSD is slow, no matter what else it has.  These days, even 240 GB or so doesn't have to cost much more than $100.

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    But in many cases, whether parts are reasonable depends not just on the parts themselves, but on the price tag.  Where are you looking to buy parts?

    Couldn't agree with this post more.

    Get at least a decent PSU. something like a Corsair CX650 would be fine.

    Also, like he said, while that noctua is a great cooler, its only needed if you're going to do some reasonably heavy overclocking.  Also.  Don't waste money on cases.  Once again, if you're doing extreme overclocking the extra air flow and such can be semi useful on an expensive case, but otherwise once you get the parts thrown in there most people aren't gonna pop it open for months at a time.

    I also agree with the SSD reccomendations.

    With prices the way they are i'd look for a cheaper 64-128gb for a system drive and get a 256gb for your game drive.  Its a good chunk of change, but trust me it will be nice to have those drives seperated.

     

    The only place i *somewhat* disagree with is the quad vs dual core argument.  Were this 2 or 3 years ago i would of said for sure go with the dual core at a higher clock rate.  Now... not so much.  There are lots of games coming out which are properly utilizing multiple cores, and that can make all the difference in the world.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Originally posted by Hrimnir

    The only place i *somewhat* disagree with is the quad vs dual core argument.  Were this 2 or 3 years ago i would of said for sure go with the dual core at a higher clock rate.  Now... not so much.  There are lots of games coming out which are properly utilizing multiple cores, and that can make all the difference in the world.

    Who said anything about dual cores?  The Core i5-4670K and -4690K (one of which is what he should probably get) are quad core processors.  Only in the case of unusual needs where you really need a ton of cores does it make sense to go with an FX-8350 instead--and that's an eight core processor, not four.

    Dual core processors haven't made much sense in gaming rigs since sometime around 2009.

  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Hrimnir

    The only place i *somewhat* disagree with is the quad vs dual core argument.  Were this 2 or 3 years ago i would of said for sure go with the dual core at a higher clock rate.  Now... not so much.  There are lots of games coming out which are properly utilizing multiple cores, and that can make all the difference in the world.

    Who said anything about dual cores?  The Core i5-4670K and -4690K (one of which is what he should probably get) are quad core processors.  Only in the case of unusual needs where you really need a ton of cores does it make sense to go with an FX-8350 instead--and that's an eight core processor, not four.

    Dual core processors haven't made much sense in gaming rigs since sometime around 2009.

    Sorry, last build i did was 2nd gen i7's, etc, back then the i5's were all dual cores, or at least thats what i remember.

    If the only difference is hyperthreading, then yes, go with the i5 for sure.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415

    Ok, got a nice build on amazon spain, 993 euros:

    Samsung 120gb 840 Evo €67

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00E3W15P0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Samsung 240gb 840 Evo €106

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00E391OX6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    1tb WD Caviar Green €50

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B006GDVREI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    EVGA 760 GTX Superclocked €227

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00DMB6C4C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Corsair Carbide 300R Case €69

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B006I2H0YS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H €127

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00K2VRAJ6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Intel Core i5-4670K €195

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00CO8TBOW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Kingston HyperX 2x4GB Black DDR3-1600 €75

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00A77202C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    Corsair Series CX V2 600 €63

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B009D79Z9I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

    LG GH24NSB0 €15

    http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00E5YSTGY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL

     

    The reason i recommend a seperate SSD for system drive and one for Game drive is because SSD's perform their best when they are 50-60% full.  Clearing up 40gigs or so on your game drive is huge.  Also, them being on seperate SATA channels allows the IO subsystem to be more efficient as its not pulling the game and OS stuff from the same drive (think of it like a dual core hard drive almost).  So it can be grabbing data that it needs for the OS part of loading crap, and data from the game drive at the same time.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    The very first processor that Intel branded as Core i5 was the Core i5-750, and it was a quad core.  The next generation was the only dual core Core i5s ever released for desktop use, and they were dumb parts, too, as they were priced about the same as the quad core Core i5s.  Laptop Core i5 chips have been dual cores from the start, though--and some laptop Core i7 chips are dual cores, too.

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    There's no real point in getting multiple SSDs at the same time.  Having a game pull from a different drive than the OS is a hard drive trick, but not really relevant to SSDs anymore, at least for consumer use.  Good SSDs are so fast that you're not going to be waiting on them.  Just get one good SSD of whatever capacity you want and call that good enough.  For example:

    http://www.amazon.es/Crucial-MX100-256-GB-interno/dp/B00KFAGCWK/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1407456748&sr=1-1&keywords=Crucial+Mx100

    I'm not a fan of the Samsung 840 EVO, as the TLC NAND makes it a rather low end part, but it doesn't come with a low end price tag.

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    Corsair's CX series is their bottom of the line for a reason.  There are actually two ways to take that:  that it's Corsair means it's not junk, but that it's bottom of the line means it's hardly great, either.  It's a nice budget option for people trying to build a viable rig on a $500 budget, but on a larger budget, you can get something better, such as:

    <a href="http://www.amazon.es/Seasonic-S12G-Fuente-alimentaci

  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The very first processor that Intel branded as Core i5 was the Core i5-750, and it was a quad core.  The next generation was the only dual core Core i5s ever released for desktop use, and they were dumb parts, too, as they were priced about the same as the quad core Core i5s.  Laptop Core i5 chips have been dual cores from the start, though--and some laptop Core i7 chips are dual cores, too.

    -----

    There's no real point in getting multiple SSDs at the same time.  Having a game pull from a different drive than the OS is a hard drive trick, but not really relevant to SSDs anymore, at least for consumer use.  Good SSDs are so fast that you're not going to be waiting on them.  Just get one good SSD of whatever capacity you want and call that good enough.  For example:

    http://www.amazon.es/Crucial-MX100-256-GB-interno/dp/B00KFAGCWK/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1407456748&sr=1-1&keywords=Crucial+Mx100

    I'm not a fan of the Samsung 840 EVO, as the TLC NAND makes it a rather low end part, but it doesn't come with a low end price tag.

    -----

    Corsair's CX series is their bottom of the line for a reason.  There are actually two ways to take that:  that it's Corsair means it's not junk, but that it's bottom of the line means it's hardly great, either.  It's a nice budget option for people trying to build a viable rig on a $500 budget, but on a larger budget, you can get something better, such as:

    <a href="http://www.amazon.es/Seasonic-S12G-Fuente-alimentaci

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • LeopoldLeeLeopoldLee Member Posts: 4
    Why don't you choose intel 8 platform since you still have enough budget.
  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385
    The build posted is missing a CPU cooler.  If you're going to buy a K model Intel CPU, that means you better be overclocking it.  Stock Intel heat sinks are not very good for overclocking.  I suggest buying a Coolermaster Hyper Evo 212 if you need something inexpensive but effective.
  • Atis-nobAtis-nob Member UncommonPosts: 98

    He has Noctua cooler in list, its nice but a bit overpriced.

     

    to TS:

    +1 to those who suggested i5, reliable 550-600w PSU, SSD.

    Dont forget to check if motherboard supports CPU overclocking, there are plenty of low-end MBs, which blocks all OC potential of K-series CPUs.

    Samsung EVO SSD shows great speed in tests for its price.

    As for PSU, I put cheap OCZ 550w in my rig and it's more than enough for gtx760+i5-4670+2HDD+other stuff

     

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