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25 reasons why I do not recommend this game to anyone.

ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

All of these I can completely backup. These are the 25 reasons why I do not recommend to buy this game. Note there is a 12.95 online fee to play this game monthly. I really got bored of this game and also lost all the contents of a hard drive because of this game itself.

The problems with Risk Your Life are as follows

1) This game has over 30,000 files. It has the files from the first game and the files from this game. Anyone will tell you that the more files a game is, the less its efficiency. Install the game, right click on it after pathing the game. 30,000 files to a game that literaly has no optimizations of any kind delivers a performance hit.

2) The game runs on an Unpatched/Unfixed version of Nprotect, which still has the security vulnerabilities in which someone can upload and execute code on your PC while you are in the server playing.

3) There are no optimizations. Don't expect AMD/INTEL or Nvidia/ATI to help you.

4) The game has a lot of missing content: More than half of what is on the list on the ebgames site is not included in the game yet. Right now the game has only two maps and if you are not good enough, you will die in the second map since its a full PvP map.

5) There are only up to 3-5 class specific skills, per class. Everything else are basic skills. After a while it becomes a very predictable game.

6) There are three types of people in the game itself. Normal Players like you and me. Guides, who are treated as celebrities, trying to become GMs. Then there are GMs, who are downright rude the majority of the time. I had one good experience with a GM, but that is it. Every other time I asked a GM for something legitimate, the respond was "Fuck off." Those words actually were used on me.

7) The game does not have an end user licensing agreement. Instead, they expect you to follow all rules in their forumboard. You are forced to register into a forumboard, where people create and enforce their own rules in order to read the terms of service you must go by.

I started a thread about Guild Wars in an Off Topic forum and I was literaly told to keep my discussion to other games to a minimun. When I replied against the corruption and posted against the guide the rules I follow (The thread with the rules as a reply) and told them that its people like them who become GMs and ruin it for everyone, they banned me from the forumboard........And the Guild Wars thread was a simple "Who else here plays Guild Wars?"

8) There are only four things you can do in Risk Your Life. They are

1. Solo (which is hacking and slashing)
2. Party/Guild/PvP (hack and slash)
3. Quests (hack and slash)
4. Playershop

Don't count on anything else outside of hack and slashing and spell casting. There is nothing else available.

9) A lot of the skills in the game do not show many real improvements when you upgrade them. You have to be careful. You can spend a lot of skill points on a skill which won't really help you much. The game really limits you in skills to the point you will create characters that will literaly have a primary and secondary skill and fall back on passive skills.

10) In order to correct the mistakes of bad attributes, you have to restat them. This means you must find an item called a stone of oblivion or buy it for a lot. Then you pay 10,000 per level you currently are, simply to actually undo 4 bunus points and redistribute them. It costs 2 bonus points for 1 main attribute and 1 bonus point for a secondary attribute.

11) Nevermind buying land and owning territory. The game only has two servers and there are not enough players in that game. In fact I am going as far to say that aside from the fact you can have 5 characters per server, that around 10 - 20% of the characters in the game belong to staff members.

12) PlanetWideGames, does not own or create the game. It comes from another company. PlanetWideGames produces the game itself for North American. They didn't write or code the game. Don't expect any real support. The company has no experience with MMORPGs either. RYL is their first.

13) The company supports the harassment members of its forums deal against others by encouraging them to actually go out and defend the game. The Executive Producer of the game Thanked members in their forum for Defending the game, rather than be mature and go against that type of biased behavior.

14) The maps are small. In comparison to other games, the map to the world is small and the game is too linear. You have to fight the same enemies in order and when you think you have some difference in enemies by choosing the area which you fight, you enter another copy of the same area. There are multiple Barracks and Fungus forests in the same map. Regardless the character class you pick. You have to fight enemies in the same order.

15) Economy isn't good. People will charge you an arm and a leg to the point a trade union was started by a GM, forcing you to have to follow yet another terms of service set by them and in the game itself the union itself is internal and actually has the potential to control the in-game economy for themselves in the future.

16) Frustration of upgrading. You can spend a lot of time upgrading a weapon and get nowhere upgrading it. You upgrade weapons by taking metal and putting them into these weapons. Problem is that they fail easily (at least the first ones you get) and the others which are harder to find are sold at playershopsn for 100 - 500 times their worth.

17) There is a lot of lag in the game as well as errors you can receive client termination messages for many reasons.

18) Too centralized. There is only one town in the first map. I personaly would have liked to see more, but thats all you get. One town. that's it where everyone goes to.

19) There is no real story. You simply do favors for people until reach the dimensional key quest where you basically have to deal with the same old "Unknown evil force threatens to appear and destroy the world" story and kill one guy and thats it. Why so hard? Because you have to be at a certain level to be able to do it.

20) The player vs player is unbalanced beyond belief. Every level you gain 3 attributes as well as 2 bonus points. It takes 5 - 7 levels to get new equipment. A difference of 5 levels is enough for the higher level character to have a large advantage.

21) Horrible UV lightning on characters. There is a problem in that game with armors and equipment as well as characters. You can see it from when you enter the game what problems exist.

22) Unbalanced Parties: On the majority of time, No healer = No party. When I played a party would slow to a crawl or stop when the healer would leave.

23) It takes too long for the game to start. The whole game is focused around player vs player. However to be able to do player vs player, you need minimun of level 65 to survive, but you may fight against level 80 - 85 characters and die. To reach level 65 you can organize a 10 person party. This party will have to fight for around 100 hours together. If you are on your own, expect for it to take 500 - 1000 hours. 500 hours is what the staff to the game posted it takes on your own to reach level 65.

24) Politics. There are far too many politics. If you are not a person who regularly goes to the forum to check up on new rules and how the community feels about the game itself. You may actually get banned for doing something legitimate, but going against the rules created by Politics for the benefit of specific people.

25) Finally, I must tell you that support characters are treated horribly. The community pressures a certain character build for their own benefit which will ruin that character when it enters PvP.

I recommend Guild Wars. Instead of me telling you how good that game is, as this is not the forum or place to discuss Guild Wars. Check out the internet. It is a very popular game and it has great potential. I will leave this thread saying this. I never was able to play Risk Your Life for more than a few hours at a time. It got really boring, even in a party. In fact I went to Lineage 2 again because of how boring RYL was and found things changed in chronicle 3 for the better.

I played Guild Wars around 17 hours on two days nonstop last week as well as two 10 hour days nonstop. It really is amazing. No other game since Phantasy Star Online has ever had me hooked that bad. In my 17 years of roleplaying, I have not seen such an unorganized and corrupted MMORPG community, littered with excuses and threats to cover their mistakes like the Risk Your Life Community.

Now to RYL players from the main RYL forums I have a message for you:

"Chances are you will read this and come from your forumboard and harass people here. I have my right to my opinion, far greater than yours. I am not a biased person, nor am I brainwashed. I've read your coordinated threads about trying to create groups that would post and defend RYL together in this place. I have a right to my opinion and I don't care about your emotions. I care about logic. You all pay to play this game and deserve a lot more than what you are spending your money on. I don't care about any replies concerning your life. Telling me about your wives, children and how its the first game you have played online and think its really good doesn't really help or show anything, though I can understand.

You subscribe to a game, you play it and expect the minimun, which people in that community along with the companies involved have clearly failed to deliver. I know you will flame my post left and right and I really do not care. Your harassment ends with people getting to know the truth about that game. Due to my experience as a gamer (19 years as a gamer, 17 as a roleplayer) as well as my experience in technology (I can develop games, can program, build and configure computers and was a computer science major in college), you have no right to come and attack me here unless you can make a statement and prove your points in a mature fashion. The fact as soon as I got banned, people blocked me from their messengers proving you all like to use people and can care less about friendship."

Take care everyone, good luck and do what you like to do best :) Play your games, enjoy your world and lookout for each other.

~Shinami

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  • jetfacejetface Member Posts: 18

    I played RYL for quite a long time and I agree with most of what you said.  I did have fun for a while, the game is rather addicting.  Unfortunately, I don't feel it is worth paying for.  Mostly because PWG doesn't seem to have any real control over the game.

    I enjoyed the pvp aspect of the game and the fact that combat wasn't point, click, and wait for your avatar to kill something.  All in all, though, leveling sucks and the quest system is repetitive and boring.  Kill 5 of this, kill 3 of this, go to this town get this bring it back, kill 5 of this, kill 10 of this, etc.

    The game did improve from the original.  If PWG could actually develop the game I'm sure things would have improved much faster.

    As for PWG forum goers defending the game:  That's fine, but in the end the game speaks for itself.

  • jetfacejetface Member Posts: 18



    Originally posted by lun4tic



    That is because they don't. Youxiland liscenses out the game to busineses in multiple countries while still remaining the developers. They're slow and unreliable. PWG pushes and pushes for the necessary changes but at the end of the day it's up to Youxiland.



    Yep, I know.  I played NA closed beta for RYL1 and POTE, as well as open.  The fact that PWG can't really make the changes they want was always a point of frustration for both the players and PWG.
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    Lun4tic

    You are considered to actually be important in Risk Your Life. You are one of those completely loyal to the game. I've read your posts in the main RYL forums during my time there. Now the fact that you chose to come here and simply insult me in this forum, proves to everyone here just how rotten the behavior is in that community.

    Please note that Lun4tic does not know me in anyway whatsoever, and yet he chose to insult me rather than actually prove me wrong. He chose this path because he cannot prove me wrong and his anger took over, and with good reason. The fact his friends in RYL forums can't come here and edit my messages and many read the different forums here, has him filled with fear and anger at people learning reality from fiction.

    What I do with my time is entirely up to me. Even when you come here to find your time insulting me, at least regardless how pathetic you think I am, I still give you minimun respect.

    Also..

    Don't expect Support@Planetwidegames.com and Billing@PlanetWideGames.com to help matters any.

    I have sent emails to them on several occasions regarding account cancellations and certain matters and they have not responded. Apparently they care more about ripping people off and keeping money. I am at the point that I am thinking about taking legal action, because if you have an account plan for 6 months....and there is no word or reply when you send an email about cancellation, then what am I supposed to do? Cancel my credit/debit cards on account one group of people running one game won't even have the decency to respond? Why would I want to be charged monthly after my time runs out to a game I don't play anymore?

    I do not care about Youxilland. They may be the developers to the game, but it was PlanetWideGames I paid my money to and their responsibility to handle the game in North America.

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by Shinami

    10) In order to correct the mistakes of bad attributes, you have to restat them. This means you must find an item called a stone of oblivion or buy it for a lot. Then you pay 10,000 per level you currently are, simply to actually undo 4 bunus points and redistribute them. It costs 2 bonus points for 1 main attribute and 1 bonus point for a secondary attribute.
    17) There is a lot of lag in the game as well as errors you can receive client termination messages for many reasons.
    22) Unbalanced Parties: On the majority of time, No healer = No party. When I played a party would slow to a crawl or stop when the healer would leave.
    23) It takes too long for the game to start. The whole game is focused around player vs player. However to be able to do player vs player, you need minimun of level 65 to survive, but you may fight against level 80 - 85 characters and die. To reach level 65 you can organize a 10 person party. This party will have to fight for around 100 hours together. If you are on your own, expect for it to take 500 - 1000 hours. 500 hours is what the staff to the game posted it takes on your own to reach level 65.
    24) Politics. There are far too many politics. If you are not a person who regularly goes to the forum to check up on new rules and how the community feels about the game itself. You may actually get banned for doing something legitimate, but going against the rules created by Politics for the benefit of specific people.
    25) Finally, I must tell you that support characters are treated horribly. The community pressures a certain character build for their own benefit which will ruin that character when it enters PvP.








    Those are the points that reach me more then the others in the list you provide.  I cant say much about the game or anything, but those points deter me a LOT from even considering to try the game.

     

    Many others games have flaws regarding similar points.  So I guess RYL may be worser or better then many others games, but finally, it is not outstanding in a way that I want to try it.

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • lun4ticlun4tic Member Posts: 36



    Originally posted by Shinami

    Lun4tic
    You are considered to actually be important in Risk Your Life. You are one of those completely loyal to the game. I've read your posts in the main RYL forums during my time there. Now the fact that you chose to come here and simply insult me in this forum, proves to everyone here just how rotten the behavior is in that community.
    Please note that Lun4tic does not know me in anyway whatsoever, and yet he chose to insult me rather than actually prove me wrong. He chose this path because he cannot prove me wrong and his anger took over, and with good reason. The fact his friends in RYL forums can't come here and edit my messages and many read the different forums here, has him filled with fear and anger at people learning reality from fiction.



    I'm not important in RYL, I'm just like every other player who knows what Youxiland should do and is disappointed that they havn't and wont. I insult you because you've done nothing to prove yourself right. Your posts read like a Communist propaganda poster as you throw blame around without base. My friends from the RYL forums can not edit your posts, nor would they because like me they'd rather respond to your lies rather then change them around. What can I expect? This is the MMORPG.com forums, the black hole of infinite ignorange and immaturity.
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    Alright so now you have admitted something that has to do with one of my 25 points. You have indirectly proven me right already. You took a point and insulted me, then replied right now to state about Youxiland. It is true that there is frustration, but by no means does that give PlanetWideGames to act that horribly in the forums. I do not care about the gamemasters. When I enter the two servers the first thing I read are from players talking about wanting to become guides. Later on guides become Gamemasters. Promotions do not generally clear up attitude, they only make them worse. I care about the fact that I sent an email asking for account cancellation to the game multiple times. I never got a reply. That scares me because if my information is on file and its used, I would start losing 12.95 a month for a game I no longer play. That is very serious, because there is a lot I do with my money and I just don't have the time to cancel a card and have to change all my accounts and payments in other games and technology related issues to the new numbers and quite frankly, I should not have to go through the hassle of having to fight with people simply because I don't agree with the game and they refuse to allow me to cancel my account.

    Also bare in mind, the forumboard to RYL has specific rules. First you get 1 warning, then more serious things happen. Wasn't is afterwards you get a 24 hour ban, then finally a week....if you continue doing it, you get banned. The first time I told something which I can prove true, I got a ban. There is a rule stating in relationship with internet law relating to emotions which state that since people cannot predict accurate emotions and everything is an assumption between parties who attempt to figure out emotions, that anything stated online can only be considered an attack against a group if the group can prove the claims made against them are false, giving the group the right to respond.

    You said so yourself that guides are assholes (pardon my language). It was because of a guide that I got banned. The statement I told the guide, proves true as well. Because of this, if the forum says "Let's ban this guy for insulting staff" legally, since its proven that Guides becoming GMs (remember many guides became GMs when the new server went up) are awful, it means that I was banned for no reason, also my statements never really include any obscene language or swearing, in comparison to others. If they do, then its light. What this truly means is that I was banned for no reason and now that they have not answered my emails, after a certain time passes and I go through the right steps, I can have a case against PlanetWideGames. Since I can prove it wasn't an insult, it is considered "Direct refusal to provide and render services to a paying customer" The forums are not just support. The game has no instruction manual and sometimes you have to manually patch things yourself. That forum is the only place to go to see what is going on and it tells you in the client as well, so it is more than a forum. It is part of the infrastructure to the game, because it is mentioned in the client as well. In the game it asks you at times to check out the forums for certain things too.

    If you know anything about Communism, I would not go as far as saying my post is like communist Propaganda. You and the others from your forum are simply mad that MMORPG.COM did not give the game a 10. Clear and simple. If MMORPG.COM wasn't so big, then you and many others would not have started threads in the RYL forums about MMORPG.COM's so called corruption. In fact you call it ignorance, but choose to register with your friends from RYL forums just to attack people who say anything bad about the game. Not only that, started a bunch of threads in the RYL forums about people in this place not seeing the "light." When you go to places like gamespot or Ign. The majority of the reviews and opinions are written by people who don't know that much about the game. In all places, its true there is some corruption, opinion and contraversy.

    You are forgetting one point though. MMORPG is a site that actually is commited towards one genre of gaming. Due to this, the community gathers a lot of ground and strength by being specialized. Specializations make you weak in every other area, but if you plan not to get involved with every other area, then it works to your advantage. The people here are all roleplayers for MMORPGs. IGN and Gamespot cover every genre, because of this, they have to be far more general about things. Its like when you play RYL and choose to build up one skill or two to maximun, and let the others rot. You gain great advantages in certain situations, but become weak against everything else.

  • HerithiusHerithius Member UncommonPosts: 273

    To play devils advocate, I find many of your reasons against the game to be quite subjective. At times you seem to be reaching to find something to make that list of 25. Conversely, everyone is entitled to an opinion as you are yours. I've never played RYL nor have I been inclined to.

    On the other hand, you like GW which I find unbearable. To me, thats a game that has a lasting value of 7 days before you are committed to repetitive, meaningless PvP for the end of your days.

    As for your crticisism about RYL...

    1) What does it matter how many files the game has? Thats something most gamers don't really pay attention to. Offhand Id have no idea how many files are on my GW, L2 or WoW folders. Imagine few would.

    3) No optimization is something that takes 1minute to customize. Hardly a reason to avoid a mmorpg.

    6) Personal bad experience with a GM. Imo thats reaching a bit.

    7) How would this affect someones enjoyment of a game? Whether their they click the repetitive EULA or follow the rules laid down by registering on the forums.

    8) Besides adding crafting thats pretty much all you see in most mmorpgs.

    10) I don't see this is a detriment but rather a benefit. In many games you can't take back past mistakes. In this game you can. Granted you cant totally restat your char on a whim, but it shouldn't be easy imo.

    11) Whether Im playing a mmo that has 10 servers(SB or L2), or 160+ servers(WoW), I find my gaming experiences to be nearly identical. As long as my individual server has a healthy population is all that matters.  20% of the characters belonging to staff members? Comments like that hurt your credibility.

    20) 5 lvls in many mmorpgs qualify a distinct advantage in PvP. Including Guild Wars.

    22) In most mmorpgs healers GREATLY help parties.

    23) Many mmorpgs take a while to get into. Also the amount needed to PvP is always dependent on how long the game has been out. If the game is 1 week in, everyone is a very low level and you could compete off the bat. If its a few months in then there naturally is a game of catch up.

    24) Since much of the game is centered around guild fighting, its natural for politics to involve. Id personally see it as a strike against the game if amidst all this PvP and warfare that there were no politics.

    25) Every game has preferred chars and ones that aren't. In no game are all characters loved and wanted by all.

    Not trying to be overly difficult mind you, just throwing my viewpoints. Its late and was in the mood to be argumentative.

  • Dark-$ageDark-$age Member Posts: 81

    1) This game has over 30,000 files. It has the files from the first game and the files from this game. Anyone will tell you that the more files a game is, the less its efficiency. Install the game, right click on it after pathing the game. 30,000 files to a game that literaly has no optimizations of any kind delivers a performance hit.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

    That is true, but I’d hardly make that a major reason why not to play RYL.

    2) The game runs on an Unpatched/Unfixed version of Nprotect, which still has the security vulnerabilities in which someone can upload and execute code on your PC while you are in the server playing.

    That’s RYL1, it’s the main reason PwG didn’t bring it back, PoTE has an updated version of N-protect, it’s unfortunate if you have had bad experiences with N-protect but the version PoTE uses is updated.

    3) There are no optimizations. Don't expect AMD/INTEL or Nvidia/ATI to help you.

    Normally, you would be drawn into an mmorpg by other reasons, this isn’t a MAJOR reason why not to play RYL.

    4) The game has a lot of missing content: More than half of what is on the list on the ebgames site is not included in the game yet. Right now the game has only two maps and if you are not good enough, you will die in the second map since its a full PvP map.

    Well, it won't be physically be in EB until June 30, they have set the date for all it's features for retail launch.

    5) There are only up to 3-5 class specific skills, per class. Everything else are basic skills. After a while it becomes a very predictable game.

    Thing is, there are around 20+ base skills per race, around 5 per stat (con, dex, wis, int, str) that’s like around 8-10 skills. (of course, some are passive and cant be used in battle, using hybrid characters allows you to have 5-9 attack skills at the higher levels.)

    6) There are three types of people in the game itself. Normal Players like you and me. Guides, who are treated as celebrities, trying to become GMs. Then there are GMs, who are downright rude the majority of the time. I had one good experience with a GM, but that is it. Every other time I asked a GM for something legitimate, the respond was "Fuck off." Those words actually were used on me.

    I’d highly doubt that, if you sent a pm to x factor when it happened, the GM in question prolly would’ve been laid down.

    7) The game does not have an end user licensing agreement. Instead, they expect you to follow all rules in their forumboard. You are forced to register into a forumboard, where people create and enforce their own rules in order to read the terms of service you must go by.

    http://signup.ryl.net/endUser.asp

    This is what happens when you try and register a new account.

    8) There are only four things you can do in Risk Your Life. They are

    1. Solo (which is hacking and slashing)
    2. Party/Guild/PvP (hack and slash)
    3. Quests (hack and slash)
    4. Playershop

    Don't count on anything else outside of hack and slashing and spell casting. There is nothing else available.

    You missed crafting… and anyways, that is like most (if not all mmorpg’s, that’s hardly a valid criticism.)

    9) A lot of the skills in the game do not show many real improvements when you upgrade them. You have to be careful. You can spend a lot of skill points on a skill which won't really help you much. The game really limits you in skills to the point you will create characters that will literaly have a primary and secondary skill and fall back on passive skills.

    This is at lower levels, since the game is booted to a max lvl of 150, some of the more experimental builds don’t really shine till lvl 90+.

    10) In order to correct the mistakes of bad attributes, you have to restat them. This means you must find an item called a stone of oblivion or buy it for a lot. Then you pay 10,000 per level you currently are, simply to actually undo 4 bunus points and redistribute them. It costs 2 bonus points for 1 main attribute and 1 bonus point for a secondary attribute.

    This is the only mmo I have played which allows you to redistribute stats.

    11) Nevermind buying land and owning territory. The game only has two servers and there are not enough players in that game. In fact I am going as far to say that aside from the fact you can have 5 characters per server, that around 10 - 20% of the characters in the game belong to staff members.

    You have not tried azrael yet, and you left iveria when people were taking breaks from RYL. A lot of people are coming back to iveria and azrael is full a lot of the time. There is no way 10-20% of chars belongs to staff members. Maybe on the alpha server, I wouldn’t know, but definitely not on the live servers.

    12) PlanetWideGames, does not own or create the game. It comes from another company. PlanetWideGames produces the game itself for North American. They didn't write or code the game. Don't expect any real support. The company has no experience with MMORPGs either. RYL is their first.

    I’m not arguing a point which I believe is true.

    13) The company supports the harassment members of its forums deal against others by encouraging them to actually go out and defend the game. The Executive Producer of the game Thanked members in their forum for Defending the game, rather than be mature and go against that type of biased behavior.

    That’s one side to the story. I’m not saying you have said anything un-true but that is only one side. This only happened when people on these forums and others (malicus, etc) were making personal insults on PwG staff members and making bland accusations about the game’s standards even though the game was still in Beta. Their repeated flaming of players and false information about the game drew the attention of the Executive Producer, he tried reasoning but to no avail. He simply encouraged we post our side of it all so that people can judge between the two arguments and make their own decision.

    14) The maps are small. In comparison to other games, the map to the world is small and the game is too linear. You have to fight the same enemies in order and when you think you have some difference in enemies by choosing the area which you fight, you enter another copy of the same area. There are multiple Barracks and Fungus forests in the same map. Regardless the character class you pick. You have to fight enemies in the same order.

    You hear this PwG? Make some improvements to the maps, bring in the RYL1 maps… I agree with this point 100%...

    15) Economy isn't good. People will charge you an arm and a leg to the point a trade union was started by a GM, forcing you to have to follow yet another terms of service set by them and in the game itself the union itself is internal and actually has the potential to control the in-game economy for themselves in the future.

    The economy relies on players to make their own decisions on how they sell their goods. Not anything to really put the game down. As for the trade union, You buy cheap, you SELL cheap, whether to fellow members or just in a stall. There isn’t much profit involved. You say the trade union is internal and exclusive? That means only very few ppl can get in, u know what that means? There is chance less to get what you need in matters of equips and metals because your pool of sources decreases a lot.

    16) Frustration of upgrading. You can spend a lot of time upgrading a weapon and get nowhere upgrading it. You upgrade weapons by taking metal and putting them into these weapons. Problem is that they fail easily (at least the first ones you get) and the others which are harder to find are sold at playershopsn for 100 - 500 times their worth.

    25% more chance of success with newest patch.

    17) There is a lot of lag in the game as well as errors you can receive client termination messages for many reasons.

    Valid point, but these issues will be fixed with the incoming patches.

    18) Too centralized. There is only one town in the first map. I personaly would have liked to see more, but thats all you get. One town. that's it where everyone goes to.

    Pretty soon, there will be more towns added, snowshrimp town is soon to be added (I imagine) and possibly others.

    19) There is no real story. You simply do favors for people until reach the dimensional key quest where you basically have to deal with the same old "Unknown evil force threatens to appear and destroy the world" story and kill one guy and thats it. Why so hard? Because you have to be at a certain level to be able to do it.

    It’s a PvP based game, I’d also like a better questing system, but RYL has never promised to be big on questing (which imo is more for single player rpg’s).

    20) The player vs player is unbalanced beyond belief. Every level you gain 3 attributes as well as 2 bonus points. It takes 5 - 7 levels to get new equipment. A difference of 5 levels is enough for the higher level character to have a large advantage.

    This statement is quite wrong. Even if 5 lvls allow for better equips, it won’t mean that a person 5 lvls above you will have a distinct advantage, with nice enough equips, you could beat ppl 5-10 lvls above you.

    21) Horrible UV lightning on characters. There is a problem in that game with armors and equipment as well as characters. You can see it from when you enter the game what problems exist.

    Ok, I don’t really understand this… im not very big on the technical side of computers so I won’t talk about what I don’t know.

    22) Unbalanced Parties: On the majority of time, No healer = No party. When I played a party would slow to a crawl or stop when the healer would leave.

    This makes up for the weakness of support classes at low lvl pvp: they are essential to pvm.

    23) It takes too long for the game to start. The whole game is focused around player vs player. However to be able to do player vs player, you need minimun of level 65 to survive, but you may fight against level 80 - 85 characters and die. To reach level 65 you can organize a 10 person party. This party will have to fight for around 100 hours together. If you are on your own, expect for it to take 500 - 1000 hours. 500 hours is what the staff to the game posted it takes on your own to reach level 65.

    Solo grinding is way too harsh at lvl 50+ in my opinion. But this game shouldn’t be where you can come in for a few hours a week and expect to be godly.

    24) Politics. There are far too many politics. If you are not a person who regularly goes to the forum to check up on new rules and how the community feels about the game itself. You may actually get banned for doing something legitimate, but going against the rules created by Politics for the benefit of specific people.

    I assume you’re talking about the spawn camping issue?

    If you are, that problem will be rectified with new npc guards.

    But in more general terms, politics is fun in this game, adds more to rivalry ^_^

    25) Finally, I must tell you that support characters are treated horribly. The community pressures a certain character build for their own benefit which will ruin that character when it enters PvP.

    That’s why they are essential to parties, it helps them gain lvls quicker to cancel the disadvantage of weak pvp at lower lvls.

    Overall, although they are valid points, they really aren’t big enough to make RYL stand out as a terrible game as points like these occur in nearly every game, remember, if you want to talk down or talk up a game, you must try to be as objective as possible and not use bad experiences from the game to fuel your posts only.

    This game is not for all ppl and may not be suitable to the more traditional rp'ers. That however, doesn't give people the right to talk down a game that they haven't fully grasped or experienced to the full. In your case, i understand your feelings about the game, but that doesn't mean that all new players coming in should expect the same experiences as you since yours is an isolated case. As someone else posted before, you're searching for bad points to the game, maybe to vent out your anger to PwG or for some other reason i wouldn't know but maybe you should edit your post to make it 5 points about RYL because many points i read were purely to fill space.

  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825


    Originally posted by Herithius
    To play devils advocate, I find many of your reasons against the game to be quite subjective. At times you seem to be reaching to find something to make that list of 25. Conversely, everyone is entitled to an opinion as you are yours. I've never played RYL nor have I been inclined to.
    On the other hand, you like GW which I find unbearable. To me, thats a game that has a lasting value of 7 days before you are committed to repetitive, meaningless PvP for the end of your days.
    As for your crticisism about RYL...
    1) What does it matter how many files the game has? Thats something most gamers don't really pay attention to. Offhand Id have no idea how many files are on my GW, L2 or WoW folders. Imagine few would.
    3) No optimization is something that takes 1minute to customize. Hardly a reason to avoid a mmorpg.
    6) Personal bad experience with a GM. Imo thats reaching a bit.
    7) How would this affect someones enjoyment of a game? Whether their they click the repetitive EULA or follow the rules laid down by registering on the forums.
    8) Besides adding crafting thats pretty much all you see in most mmorpgs.
    10) I don't see this is a detriment but rather a benefit. In many games you can't take back past mistakes. In this game you can. Granted you cant totally restat your char on a whim, but it shouldn't be easy imo.
    11) Whether Im playing a mmo that has 10 servers(SB or L2), or 160+ servers(WoW), I find my gaming experiences to be nearly identical. As long as my individual server has a healthy population is all that matters. 20% of the characters belonging to staff members? Comments like that hurt your credibility.
    20) 5 lvls in many mmorpgs qualify a distinct advantage in PvP. Including Guild Wars.
    22) In most mmorpgs healers GREATLY help parties.
    23) Many mmorpgs take a while to get into. Also the amount needed to PvP is always dependent on how long the game has been out. If the game is 1 week in, everyone is a very low level and you could compete off the bat. If its a few months in then there naturally is a game of catch up.
    24) Since much of the game is centered around guild fighting, its natural for politics to involve. Id personally see it as a strike against the game if amidst all this PvP and warfare that there were no politics.
    25) Every game has preferred chars and ones that aren't. In no game are all characters loved and wanted by all.
    Not trying to be overly difficult mind you, just throwing my viewpoints. Its late and was in the mood to be argumentative.

    = ) Im a subjective person about everything. I chose logic over emotions when dealing with things online and emotions over logic when dealing with things offline to a certain degree. I would like to answer your post if you allow me. So I will begin.


    1) What does it matter how many files the game has? Thats something most gamers don't really pay attention to. Offhand Id have no idea how many files are on my GW, L2 or WoW folders. Imagine few would.

    When a hard drive is formatted, its done so in clusters along with a file structure. The size of a game is key to its performance, with more optimizations needed for games with more files. The more files in a game, the longer it takes for the system to find something that it needs. If a game is 2000 files, its fine and it can find something fast. If a game is 30,000 files, it takes time to load things up and you have more chances of experiencing latency problems, lag and other issues. Also having more files on your hard drive drops its overall performance down not just for that one game, but for everything in the hard drive itself.

    Guild Wars is 3 files. Its the .DAT file, the Gw.tmp file and the Gw.exe file. Although you hate Guild Wars. You have to admit it loaded very fast and was smooth. This is something that is gained when you pack files together and make 100 different files into a packed file. This is common in high performance games. Guild Wars wouldnt have nearly the performance it has now if it were 2000 - 5000 files in their folders messed up.

    Lineage 2 is around 1100 files. The game itself takes longer to load up because of it. Traveling from area to area can lag you a bit and you deal with larger file sizes while Guild wars is 1GB, L2 is bigger and it shows, but doesnt mean its a better game you know.

    I don't know the files that WoW has and I can not answer this. I know that while certain programs were installed, like RYL, FF11 and a few others that had 30K files (More files than in the XP folder), the drive performance would go down on anything I did.


    3) No optimization is something that takes 1minute to customize. Hardly a reason to avoid a mmorpg.

    I disagree with you there. Optimizations are very important in a game. Every major game now has at least one major optimization. People want to know what optimizations are so that they can build and modify systems for that one particular game. Guild Wars is optimized for ATI. Doom 3 is optimized for Nvidia 6800. Processor optimizations are important because more of the processor can be used for a game. This allows you to actually have higher framerates and smoother performance. You want as much of the processor to be used up for a game. In fact that is the idea. If you have a favorite game, you want as much up to 100% possible you can get out of the processor. Processor optimizations help in preventing games from crashing too. So yes, its a reason to avoid a game.

    I see it as this way. If I am going to pay money to buy a game, then pay money to play online, then the game should take advantage of technology, as it will also benefit the company through the game's expansions. Playing a year + a cost of a game, can easilly reach 150 to 200 dollars, so you want everything to count. If you are paying for a game and it can't utilize your resources well, then the game is more liable to crash and have problems and not even utilize technology to its full potential, which may cause you not to enjoy the game as you should. Playing a MMORPG is time consuming and you should have technical things smoothed out otherwise you will worry. Once all is worked out, you can simply focus about playing the game and thats it.


    6) Personal bad experience with a GM. Imo thats reaching a bit.

    I consider myself a pretty good judge of character. I know about GMing. I myself have GMed for games before. I know the criteria and how GMs work. I tend to be chosen, because I know English, Spanish and Japanese, so I address problems in different languages in chat. I also like to be a GM in games in name and not in character power. In one game I played I leveled my character. I told others I didn't want a max level character, because then I can't empathise or feel the frustrations other players have. I never GMed a Risk Your Life server, but I would decline if given the chance.

    At one point in the RYL forumboard there were four threads together on the same page of the same GM having bad behavior. I had a good turn in once with a GM, however a GM represents the company to the game as well. There are times GMs have actively told me to "Fuck off" and "drop dead" in private messages. There was one instance I was GMs making fun of people when they had no right to talk or make an opinion because their characters start at the maximun level, so they don't experience the pains of level building in that game. I've seen good GMs and bad GMs, but unfortunately for me, some of these GMs are a shoe in for some of the worse GMing jobs I've seen around. I've been playing Roleplaying games for 17 years and I know the drill.


    7) How would this affect someones enjoyment of a game? Whether their they click the repetitive EULA or follow the rules laid down by registering on the forums.

    Well, any game you buy already has its rules there, and you also have a manual. Risk Your Life is an exception to standards games. Sometimes the autopatching does not work and will instal the patch files to C://Program files/Risk Your Life instead of the folder where you actually installed the game. That happened twice to me. The End User Licensing Agreement is something created to protect you the gamer and the company as well. This prevents a company from being corruptive and clear dominating in their ideals. It serves as protection against players who would ripoff content and use it in their own work. It affects my Enjoyment that I am banned from a forumboard which has the Terms of Service, which by politics in the forumboard can change day to day or week to week. Without such rules in place as something universal, anyone is free to change, manipulate or change things on a whim. There are also legal issues in place revolving around these rules. Due to this, Its easy to be illegitimately banned and exploited.


    8) Besides adding crafting thats pretty much all you see in most mmorpgs.

    Maybe so, but at least you have a time sink at other things. The crafting in Lineage 2, FF11 and the skills in WoW take time to develop. You are given choices on what to do. While all MMORPGs have their hack and slash elements, I can play other games for different reasons. RYL is way too hack and slash to the point its far too basic to the point that even common battle becomes repetitive. RYL has nothing aside from hack and slashing where you can use as a time sink. The whole game is Kill, take drops, sell drops and repeat. The only items to scavenge in the game are silvin, Mithril and Iteriums, and the first two are easy to get. I wish there was something outside of fighting to kill that you could do in that game.


    10) I don't see this is a detriment but rather a benefit. In many games you can't take back past mistakes. In this game you can. Granted you cant totally restat your char on a whim, but it shouldn't be easy imo.

    Ok, fair enough. We have our opinions here. I don't see this as Detrimental because it prevents me from having to restart a character completely. In guild wars if you change your character too much, you actually run out of attribute refund points. Customization is big in guild wars. In RYL, you have a default build and customize through the gained bonus points, When last I left I saw a Stone of Oblivion for 750,000 gold. If you wanted to undo 4 bonus points worth at level 50. It will cost you 1,250,000 total, not counting skills lost in the change. Why should I suffer like this? I would completely agree with you if a game stayed the same.

    In a game that has no PvP, I don't think you should be allowed to change attributes. In a game with PvP involved since PvP is extremely different from fighting monsters, you should be given the flexibility to become a PvP character at least once in the character's lifetime. Once the choice it made, not go back. The attribute refund in Guild Wars (Pardon me, I know u dont like the game, but I need an example here) allows me to configure my W/R so that I fight against spellcasters or other melee types. This makes things fresh and unpredicatable since the same character type can undergo a massive change. This isn't easy because at level 20, you have to kill for around 1 - 3 hours so you regain loss attribute refund points. So you can't always do it and have to be careful about how you play your character.


    11) Whether Im playing a mmo that has 10 servers(SB or L2), or 160+ servers(WoW), I find my gaming experiences to be nearly identical. As long as my individual server has a healthy population is all that matters. 20% of the characters belonging to staff members? Comments like that hurt your credibility.

    Look at other threads in this forumboard. Other people say the same thing about the staff in Risk Your Life. Also, #11 read between 10 - 20%....There are exceptions to everything out there, but there is a large staff presence in that game. In many RPGs out there, its considered a screenshot moment when you see a GM. In RYL, you really can not escape a place for too long before you see a Guide, GM or a forumboard moderator or administrator in the game itself. In other games its Rare to see a GM unless you know them well enough. I had so many screenshots with Guides and GMs in them that it kind of made me feel sick.


    20) 5 lvls in many mmorpgs qualify a distinct advantage in PvP. Including Guild Wars.

    This depends. If you mean between 5 and 10. Then there is an advantage to the level 10 character. If you say 10 - 15 or 15 - 20, there is far less advantage. I've seen enough PvP that its all about skills, attributes, equipment and runes in guild wars. The only thing a level up does in guild wars is give you attribute points and 20hp.

    When I went to the academy in Guild Wars, I was level 7, there were players who were 8. I was an elementalist, I set myself up to only use fire magic. My secondary profession was mesmer. They put you up to a 4 on 4 there. with 4 characters being controlled by players. I did not die once there and killed 2 level 6 players at the same time using strategy. When I entered the Arena later on, I was a level 9 elementalist and I beat out level 12 - 14 characters who spend their time leveling, but didn't get any new equipment, however later on, I lost to a level 8 character who was completely prepared to deal with me and She had 6hp left. I changed my strategy around and I managed to win against her.

    The PvP in RYL makes it so a player who is five levels higher has an overwhelming advantage, unless you have AAA+++ equipment, but fat chance in finding anything like that specially under level 70. The exception to this are All Wisdom healers who are so weak that at level 70, a level 25 - 30 melee type can kill you. Guild wars is not based on levels. But is based on characters.

    In a game like WoW, Every single player tells me the same thing. The alliance outnumbers the hoarde and at level 60, all people do are raids. If I am mistaken, correct me.


    22) In most mmorpgs healers GREATLY help parties.

    This is true, but only in RYL do I see the entire drama that unfolds from a healer leaving the party. Most of the time a healer leaves, the party ends. Most games allow 2-3 people to party together. Due to an EXP cap in Risk Your Life, you have to have a full party of 10 to get anywhere.


    23) Many mmorpgs take a while to get into. Also the amount needed to PvP is always dependent on how long the game has been out. If the game is 1 week in, everyone is a very low level and you could compete off the bat. If its a few months in then there naturally is a game of catch up.

    This isn't true in RYL or Guild Wars. In RYL, if you have a full party of 10, in one day you can be level 50 - 60. Right now level 95 is the level cap. What happens is that a few people enter high levels from day one and try to take control of the economy. In guild wars you can reach level 10 in 1 day easily, in fact you can reach level 20 in 1 day if you know how, but its far too risky, but there. The problem is part of the Risk Your Life advertisement is the entire "You can get into this game immediately" ploy and then they complain about how other games take "Forever" to start, but the reality is that if you solo, it will take you forever before the game starts.

    They should complain about the weakness to their own game first, before labeling and targetting others first.


    24) Since much of the game is centered around guild fighting, its natural for politics to involve. Id personally see it as a strike against the game if amidst all this PvP and warfare that there were no politics.

    There are few Major guilds in RYL to the point when one of them say anything, they shake the community up. The idea of PvP is to fight, however when i was talking about politics, I meant the BAD politics. The kind of politics that give mean people an advantage. The entire "We are going to humiliate you and say we are great and the best when we are level 90 and you are level 60" BS that occurs in online games. Level based/Oriented PvP to me is the worse PvP form out there. I don't mind Good Politics, but when I see a guide or GM traveling with a party, I have to worry because if I kill a guide or GM, and he or she can't handle it. I know that I will be harassed and that I can be kicked from the server on the spot under some fabricated excuse.

    The only real time two guilds in Risk Your Life fight against guilds which have guides tends to be when both guilds have guides. Most of the time, its one guild with a guide vaporizing a guild that doesn't have a guide, since they are afraid due to the way the community is that through the forumboard or game, that killing a team which has a member with some power will cause a lot of problems. I've seen this first hand to know what I am talking about.


    25) Every game has preferred chars and ones that aren't. In no game are all characters loved and wanted by all.

    This is true, however being sworn at because you don't kill yourself doing your character's job or because u don't build your character in the way everyone wants you to, for their own benefit is annoying. I played as a healer and everytime I didnt heal a character enough, I would always get sworn at when a character would die. Being called for a Ressurection and then being told I was an idiot for not preventing the character from dying annoys me. At least in RYL they don't charge you for ressurection unlike FF11.

    The PvP in RYL is for Melee classes and stealth classes, ALL support classes get squashed unless you go the lonely road and build a PvP healer, but since people wont want a healer who cant heal, u will have to go solo the majority of the way and that is just rotten.

    Well, I hope I cleared things up with you. I don't mind responding to others. I didn't feel like you were arguing with me. Its late and I will sleep now.

    Message to Dark Sage. Crafting is the creation of something from nothing. Where is the crafting in RYL? Also what skill controls it? Please don't say its not a skill and done through blacksmithing. That is modifying a weapon, not crafting a weapon.


  • MalicusMalicus Member Posts: 307

    Excellent post Shinami. Sadly I also had the misfortune of playing this game and can attest to all of your 25 reasons first hand. Including extreme "griefing' by Staff and guides which is encouraged blatantly by the Executive Producer Chip Bum. PWG brings mmorpgs to an all new low. There is nothing they wont do to look as bad as possible including lies about any proponents of the game. They have to resort to pretending to be ignorant of the flaws brought up over and over in forums including their own. It is merely an amateur moneygrab by obnoxious egotists who were most likely banned from other games. Shameful really. Oh and dont be surprised when they rally the minions to come and flame you with bigotry and untruths. In fact their 2 main fanboys have been banned from these forums now. This game will go down in history with other gems such as Mourning. Again Great post.

  • AnofalyeAnofalye Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,433



    Originally posted by lun4tic


     
    What can I expect? This is the MMORPG.com forums, the black hole of infinite ignorange and immaturity.


     

    And you are the central eye of the Black Hole?  image

    - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren

  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    Ty, however it is very important to judge a game individually. Risk Your Life is just one game. Perhaps a future release of another game may be better. I have problems with Risk Your Life because I pay PlanetWideGames my money and they can't come through for me. They talk about Youxiland being the main developer which is true.

    In other words, from day one you are paying your money to a company that is beyond the control of the game itself.

    Another reason is the following.

    I myself am not ignorant about games. I do believe in this day and age, a PC gamer needs to know about technology in order to get better performance in games. There is a difference between a PC out of the box and one you have completely built and modified on your own.

    Though there are many who would disagree with me, it doesn't change the fact that there are many companies competing against each other to create technology. There is AMD, Intel, ATI and Nvidia. Many people side with one processor brand or graphics card brand. I however am not biased and know what each processor and graphic card is best for, whereas many would throw things in your face and attack you simply because you do not use what they want.

    I have three computers next to each other. One of them is for Gaming in General and its built around an Athlon 64 Processor, An All in wonder X800XT, an Asus Motherboard and Corsair DDR1 low latency 2-2-2-5 RAM. I use the Athlon 64 because it has its memory controller and has a lower multiplier than intel. Also the processor is optimized for the latest builds of the unreal engine. In other words, if you play Lineage 2 or Unreal Tournament 2004, which I play both. You want an Athlon 64. I use ATI because although Nvidia technology is used in UT2004, the fact of the matter is that ATI actually performs better.

    Anyhow this computer is completely tweaked and modified for gaming. I run with only five services on, Executive paging disabled, an IOpagelocklimit of 64MB. I also have secondary cache and all input data configured. I can run servers as well through this. I use a razer diamondback for my mouse and a Zboard for my keyboard.

    Everytime I told PWG about a hardware issue, their answer for everything is "Its not that there are many bugs. Its just that your system has a problem" when I know personally from configuring a system, building my own system and even being a computer science major what is needed for configuration and I am qualified to say that the software is the problem.

    I also run with this laptop which always has the main site of the game I am playing on. Its great when you can retrieve information from the web and have messengers on while inside a game and help your party without logging out.

    I also use another computer which has a lot of defense programs with everything routed through serving as a media/archiving system. That one is based on Intel and Nvidia because Nvidia has better direct 3d optimizations for Media and The processor has instruction sets for media programs which I use to capture and create game videos. All of these are configured to my hardware firewall/Router.

    What got me to stop playing Risk Your Life was the fact that I put the game in my Computer's D drive. I have 3 hard drive, an OS, Media and Program drive. I put it in my D drive. One night I put my user name and password to login.

    Immediately after I hit enter, my system rebooted on its own. So I logged into windows and found the entire file structure on my D drive gone. I had lost 100GB+ of information. Also I got three viruses and a trojan even though each computer uses a good antivirus and I have a hardware firewall. The only way in a fully secure system you can get a virus is if you are connected to a server directly which you have allowed access through your firewall and have it download files to you. Also Nprotect has been proven as an anticheat program that requires more bandwith to run together with the game, which has vulnerabilities.

    I was forced to reformat my C drive because several critical files were on my D drive as well as my Paging file. Now do I really need to deal with that? I said. Forget it.

    Why can I run Doom 3, UT2004 and practically every other game smoothly with no problems and myself being fully synchronized and tweaked......but when I run Risk your life and final fantasy 11, I get a heap of problems? There were different problems in FF11 (dont worry FF11 fans. I am not insulting the game). My problem with FF11 was the fact that for the game to run, the game installed its own playstation2 emulator on your hard drive called PlayOnline. This was a 300MB client for games. There is no FF11.EXE in the FF11 folder, meaning it requires another program to access it. If PlayOnline crashes at anytime, so does FF11 because it runs through it.

    This annoyed me because the game also is 30,000 files and they asked for a Geforce 4 for the game (Though I had a radeon 9800 pro at the time) when the playstation 2 itself runs on generic 32MB graphics and 300mhz processor. Why do I need a 1200Mhz processor and 64 - 128MB graphic card that beats out the xbox to run a game that was originally created for a console that is weaker in technical specifications than the Xbox. Basically to run the game on PC you need double the power of an Xbox, for a PS2 game.

    I know people will say "This is no excuse to not play a game that right now you have specifications light years beyond." There were also problems I had with the people in the game and the fact square-enix did nothing about IGE bots being everywhere in that game. Also after playing for 2 years the Japanese version and playing the english version for over a year as well, I wanted to move on to other games. There were far less hardware problems in FF11 because Its a gold mine for Square-Enix, so because FF11 has a much bigger budget, the game itself has far less hardware problems due to all the patching.

  • swenouswenou Member Posts: 10

    I totally agree with all those 25 points !!!

    This game is EXPLOITED like shit ! PWG are stupid guys who have got only $$$ in their eyes ...

    And their servers are lagging ! And I will not talk about the community....
    Anyway this game will die by itself, better to play Guildwars or WoW instead of wasting time with a shit like this !

    My point of view ::::07::

    dfg

  • SixMMSixMM Member Posts: 10

    Hello Setsunayaki. :)

    I was wondering when you'd show up and post.

    PWG is fully aware of these issues, and we always work to actively fix them.  We don't claim to be the best in the industry, but we are doing our best to improve the game.  There's only so much you can do when you are not the developers of the game.

    However, if you had an issue with GM's, and they treated you like that, that is completely unacceptable.  You are always welcome to let me know treated you like that and I will see to it that is taken care of properly.

  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    Hello SixMM,

    I love the fact you show up being diplomatic and all. When my hard drive got messed up because of your game, I sent an email to Billing@Planetwidegames.com and Support@PlanetWideGames.com

    I received absolutely no reply.

    I then sent another email after I was banned from your forum GM-SixMM, 5/28/2005 at 8:03 AM. This email was not answered. Then I send another email to billing on 5/31/2005 at 6:14 AM. I got no reply. I sent another email this morning today, 6/02/2005 at 2:04 AM. I still have no answer.

    Every game I have played I had gotten a response in 24 hours. I can still log into my game account through www.ryl.net. But I can not log into the forums because I am banned there.

    Now you make account mistakes all the time, to the point that a person like Dryball bragged me one day telling me that he got an extra 12 months free. Want me to show you the screenshot he sent to me? So now simply because you made a mistake, people are treated differently, simply because your staff was so lazy that you didn't change one digit from one number.

    All I want is my money back for dealing with your foul services and corruption as well as my account being deleted from that forum. Funny that you looked for any excuse to ban me when there are people who are downright bad and rude and you don't do anything. I don't want to be forced to get a lawyer to deal with this matter personaly, which I am borderline in doing. If October comes and I start getting billed 12.95 a month for a game I am not playing despite the emails I keep sending for account cancellation. I will sue your company directly and trust me. It will be for a lot more than the money spent on this game.

    I got sworn at by the very guides that became GMs, and you are telling me that you are constanly trying to improve your service. What service? You have none. The real reason I was banned has nothing to do with whatever rules you have in place and everything to do that you like convincing people and acting like Risk Your Life is the only game on the planet. Give me a break. You can't tell people to not talk about other games in the forum simply because they game I post about is beating you out in spades.

    Not just that, the fact that people in that place

    So far dealing with you people have been an outrage.

    Now to Unravel your post


    PWG is fully aware of these issues, and we always work to actively fix them. We don't claim to be the best in the industry, but we are doing our best to improve the game. There's only so much you can do when you are not the developers of the game.

    If you always actively fixed them, I wouldn't be here now as well as others who claim that you don't. Also people complain in your forum that some patches make the game worse than it is. Also you lie because at times PWG had to rollback its versions because of failed attempts at fixing things. In other words there was a time you failed, completely making this sentence of yours invalid.


    However, if you had an issue with GM's, and they treated you like that, that is completely unacceptable. You are always welcome to let me know treated you like that and I will see to it that is taken care of properly.

    Excuse me? Everytime anyone posts something legitimately in the forums about a GM, every GM and guide defends each other and comes on top of the one making the claim like a pack of wolves. There is no such thing as you people taking responsibility. Yeah, I see how you take care of things properly. You ban the people that have a claim or do anything legitimate and you keep all the Staff that do things illegitimately. Im banned remember? Nice try. You put all your eggs neatly in one basket and cut anyone loose when you feel like it, just so you don't deal with it. Then come to this forum telling me I am always welcomed, I demand an explanation of how common sense allows me to contact anyone from a place I am banned.

    Also,

    If I get banned for starting a thread about another game, what would happen to me from addressing an issue with your staff? What about the fact that billing and support never have replied to me in any email that I have sent?

    Also I must note, that your staff has a GM that acts in the forumboards like he is half baked and slightly has a problem in his head. I think you know who I am talking about. Tell GM-Darcius hi for me and ask him if he still sees delusions of game monsters in his life.

  • SixMMSixMM Member Posts: 10

    The correct email addresses are billingsupport@ryl.net and support@ryl.net .  I know for a fact that we did reply to you when you sent us one email to the correct address.

    Maybe you didn't receive any reply because those are not valid emails.

  • siLLYkiTEsiLLYkiTE Member Posts: 35

    I can agree with some of those points... and others are.... no bueno....

    and If you want to talk about corruption... this is the #1 site for it...

    This is Sphinxer.. I'm on this account b/c Malicus went and got my other account banned with help from his MMOrpg.com admin pal...

    anyway...::::31::

    Perhaps some of these tales you tell are one sided? You just tell the end result, no? I don't really think it helps your case when a harasser such as the highlighted above name shows his 100% support...

    Why do we come here to 'shoot down' people who talk bad about RYL/PWG? Because of our FREEWILL, not just because someone told us to. We are individual people with individual wills and individual minds. You can't say PWG has horrible service, because they have refunded many peoples' supscriptions, they don't have to but choose to... especially 3-4 weeks in. They are adding a map right now, and it's about to be tested.

    Some people... choose to be hasty about things and shoot holes in everything.... It is easy to see the problems, but takes a real gamer to find the goodness in a game.

  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    If an address in an email is incorrect SixMM, a server returns the message. I got no such returns, explain that one to me.

    Also, your sentence makes no real sense. How can u send me a reply when I have been sending emails to planetwidegames.com

    The fact I got no returns when you said my address was wrong, means that those addresses exist. Rather than forward my email to the right department like any game company does, you simply deleted them.

    Since PWG also own www.planetwidegames.com it means that company got those messages.

    Nice try btw.

    I'll play the game your way and send to ryl.com, however I better get replies, bacause I just had my first consultation with a lawyer.

    Also,

    http://anime.blacklightning-dimension.com/ryl/siteinfo.JPG

    Where do you find the billingsupport address here?

    Here I edit my post to add a reply to the poster above.


    I can agree with some of those points... and others are.... no bueno....

    First and foremost, as a native speaker to Spanish It is said "No es bueno" for "Not good" and "It's not good" applied by context. When you start a sentence in one language, please end it in the same language. You had no reason to change languages.



    and If you want to talk about corruption... this is the #1 site for it...

    So a specialized site to a genre is more corrupt than a general site? I would like for you to show evidence of this site's corruption. If you prove true, I will leave and withdraw my claims

    I loved how you showed your appreciation for MMORPG.com in your forum when RYL had a high score, but when the score went down, everyone started flaming MMORPG.com

    The real corruption comes from your fanatical mind to actually get mad at any site which doesn't give your game a 9 - 10, since it makes you feel good and gives you the illusion of greatness if the game you are playing is at a rating of 9 or 10.

    You have a site of people in the genre telling you directly that there are problems. Also I played this game since RYL 1 and there have always been problems.



    This is Sphinxer.. I'm on this account b/c Malicus went and got my other account banned with help from his MMOrpg.com admin pal...

    Doesn't typing this admit you to deliberately breaking internet laws? Technically a company can sue someone who is banned and deliberately tries getting access to the part of the domain they have been banned from. I should know. I have been a webhost for years.


    anyway...::::::31::::

    Perhaps some of these tales you tell are one sided? You just tell the end result, no? I don't really think it helps your case when a harasser such as the highlighted above name shows his 100% support...


    I don't think it helps you that you type above in another language to show impressionism, then tell everyone that you are working on a second account because your primary account was banned. I also don't think it helps that you show no real evidence.

    Pardon for being rude, but I would think it would be naive to judge everything at the beginning so to say. I played RYL for a long time, played PoTE Open Beta and then dealt with the launch of an unfixed beta. The end result is what people judge a game by, their experiences. However I am not like most people.

    I am very technical and I am always interested to see how games are put together. This is why I unravel the engine in games I have permission to and see what makes it tick. I can see the ways files are set up in the folder and see how they come together. Once again....30,000 files for an unoptimized game with a lot of chances for failure, combined with a bad Nprotect is enough to steer the mind of any smart person from this game.


    Why do we come here to 'shoot down' people who talk bad about RYL/PWG? Because of our FREEWILL, not just because someone told us to. We are individual people with individual wills and individual minds. You can't say PWG has horrible service, because they have refunded many peoples' supscriptions, they don't have to but choose to... especially 3-4 weeks in. They are adding a map right now, and it's about to be tested.

    Not really Freewill. You do it to raise hell. Because you can and the feeling that the more support you give to RYL/PWG, the closer you are to becoming a guide or GM. Simply put, you complain because of the prospects for your own gain. So you can go back and say "MAKE ME A GUIDE. I SHOWED MY LOYALTY BY DEFENDING YOU IN MMORPG.COM AND PLAYING 8 HOURS A DAY"

    If PWG had great service, they wouldnt swear at people in servers and they wouldnt ban me at their forums simply from starting a thread about another game, that they attacked and got banned here. Also the RYL forums were the first forums that I went to. Where so many defended the game, that people from other forumboards actually registered threatening to sue. That surprised me the most.

    Also it was the first forum I registered to where I had people who tried to can me, because of my opinions and writing in other forums. I still remember the reply I got from a member who was borderline to having your company sued on the grounds of attempting to use your forumboard policies to govern my action at my own domain simply because he read something he didn't like.

    You may call that "Free will" in that sense, I call it coercion, threatening and with the cases of attacking others without ground, libel.

    Free will and freedom of speech does not protect insulting like some of your friends did in this forum, nor does it protect GMs and guides who tell me to fuck off in a server.


    Some people... choose to be hasty about things and shoot holes in everything.... It is easy to see the problems, but takes a real gamer to find the goodness in a game.

    Regardless its programming, a game is only as good as its people and can be ruined by bad people. The economy in your servers is so bad that it gives IGE a good name and that is a bad thought.

    Some people do choose to be hasty, specially you who came here, assumed I was another newbie, when I have been playing for a long time. Gained my right to formulate and opinion using logic instead of emotion, since logic is what breeds fact.

    About real gamers......

    The only way a real gamer evolves is through playing multiple games. A real gamer is someone who manages to play many games in different genres and can appreciate different games, variations and genres without emotional discrimination of the sorts. A real gamer is not just a PC/console gamer. He or she always plays games outsides and understands the technology behind games and the art that comes through it all. Its real gamers who tend to eventually become developers and give us games.

    A real gamer tries. I tried for a long time and in a fully configured and updated network of computers, the game had problems on an Athlon64 combined with an X800 series card. It also had problems on an Intel processor combined with a 6800. I have tried this game on several systems Some high grade, some low grade, all systems show the same exact problems.

    I have been playing games for 19 years and roleplaying games for 17 years. I have developed the ability to analize games critically. Notice I don't type about games I know nothing about. I have no right to do that. I started with Atari and was introduced to table top roleplaying. Im 25 and I have done stuff on RPG maker and I have done my own paperback RPG stories. I am also into the unreal engine and I like coding modifications for unreal tournament 2004. When I want to have more fun, I go out and play sports, which those are games too believe it or not and at the end of the day, if I find players. I pull out my Magic The Gathering card deck and play or connect game boy advances together and play the pokemon card game.

    If I want a real challenge, I invite 6 - 10 people to play Dungeons and Dragons and we try playing through the most ridiculous campaign ever conceived when rolling level 20 characters.....Tomb of Horrors, where we have the rule that we rip up character sheets upon death since most of the deaths in there are pernament.

    It takes a real gamer to realize the faults of a game and continue playing regardless the damage it may cause, but that is bad judgement, which you are defending when it takes good judgement to stop playing a game because that game is causing your system a lot of damage and its not fair for one game to ruin your chances of playing the others in your system. Not fair at all.


  • siLLYkiTEsiLLYkiTE Member Posts: 35

    You have no clue about me. I don't want to be a GM or a guide. I don't feel the need to go around babysitting people. And I have always, since I knew about, defending RYL on here. I didn't just randomly start pissing in peoples' lemonade b/c RYL got a bad score. And you aren't proving squat by saying I'm bad b/c I'm using a 2nd account b/c my primary was banned by corruption.

    This is how that happen.

    Me and malicus spat words back and forth in a topic. I get banned for "harassment" he gets scotts free... I said nothing more harsh then he, and yet I get the boot? interesting. If it was the PMs I sent him... then He too is guilty of harassment, because he said more undignifying things, than I in our PMs.


    I talk like I do, with two languages sometimes... because That's the area I'm in. I don't care for the NATIVE talk... I'm raised around alot of latinos and whites... the languages mix...

    I realize I shouldn't try to go on, because you and others will just twist my words into your favor and make up more crap. I wanted to be a guide, but that was a LONG time ago. I have never wanted to be a GM. I have never kissed PWGs ass and asked for any special treatment. I don't play hardcore like alot of the dedicated RYLers do. I stop in every now and then and chat/level/sell.

    and You want to talk about fair..... HAHA... You are giving RYL a fair chance are you? Mr. 25 reasons. Perhaps it did screw up your system, perhaps it was something else. But 25 in 1,000,000 is quite small number to say that it will screw everyone over who tries it. I realize you are just venting your frustrastions and what not.... so peace.

    Here's some nice messages from malicus:
    "for the 1 mill you have fun trying to get that only retards would believe that hype after pwg's track record and as for gm griefing it happens constantly and just cause it hasnt to you might be due to the fact you have your groupie head shoved up their assholes too far to hear. I am done talking to you asshat so go flame an open discussion some more. I got better things to do then dispute a game everyone knows is bad except a few fanbois such as yourself. Good luck with the million dollars homo"

    and then the Day my other account got banned

    "Hahaha u suck buddy."


    my main account been unbanned recently... but i choose this account.

  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825

    I never said that you are bad.

    I was being critical actually. I am very analitical as a person to the extreme. I don't think in anyway you are a bad or evil person. I have a habit of using logic for sorting out everything much in the same ways computers use logical programming for everything, but that doesn't make systems evil. That is just the way they are. I am not a computer, but I enjoy being logical. Not to flame, but to analize, unravel and sort. It makes things a lot easier don't you think? When you can actually see something clearer. Emotions are nice too, but they leave things in-between and unfinished. I like seeing a conclussion. Logic believes that there is either a Yes or No, nothing in between unless there is a conditional. Even so, even a conditional is defined. This is why I like it a lot. Not really loose ends.


    You have no clue about me. I don't want to be a GM or a guide. I don't feel the need to go around babysitting people. And I have always, since I knew about, defending RYL on here. I didn't just randomly start pissing in peoples' lemonade b/c RYL got a bad score. And you aren't proving squat by saying I'm bad b/c I'm using a 2nd account b/c my primary was banned by corruption.

    Now if this forum is so corrupted, why does this site even have an RYL forum? Why does MMORPG.COM put banners that say "Download RYL: PoTE Free Trial?"

    Is PWG paying MMORPG to advertise the game? I think the community cares about MMORPGs enough to advertise with its own bandwith and let people download the game. Know what I mean?

    Despite everyone attacking MMORPG.COM in the RYL forums who are fanatics to the game, they keep on using the bandwith to keep this RYL forum up and to also spend the time rating the game and actually have feedback from people who play games in the genre itself.

    I do not view it as corruption, but as a service. Despite the attacks against mmorpg, they simply keep everything up. I myself am a webhost and let me tell you that if someone started smearing me on the reason I didn't bend to their will and threaten them as well, I would remove all traces of that element on the account I do not want to waste bandwith, but I still would respect basic rights as to demand an explanation before taking any action.


    This is how that happen.

    Me and malicus spat words back and forth in a topic. I get banned for "harassment" he gets scotts free... I said nothing more harsh then he, and yet I get the boot? interesting. If it was the PMs I sent him... then He too is guilty of harassment, because he said more undignifying things, than I in our PMs.


    I talk like I do, with two languages sometimes... because That's the area I'm in. I don't care for the NATIVE talk... I'm raised around alot of latinos and whites... the languages mix...

    I realize I shouldn't try to go on, because you and others will just twist my words into your favor and make up more crap. I wanted to be a guide, but that was a LONG time ago. I have never wanted to be a GM. I have never kissed PWGs ass and asked for any special treatment. I don't play hardcore like alot of the dedicated RYLers do. I stop in every now and then and chat/level/sell.


    Your story of how you got banned is irrelevant. I live in the most diversified community of Boston called Jamaica Plains. Not one of those communities where one race dominates the majority, but one where there truly is a lot here to offer in the way of peoples. I know three Languages and I never mix them. I do not like insulting languages specifically by mixing them and making mistakes with them.

    Now since you talk about Latinos. You are aware that the definition of Latino is one descended from Central America who assimilated into the United States and took its culture. You are also aware that in the census they count Latino and White as one group of people right? Then there are Hispanics. They are people who were either born in the United States from Spanish Blood who completely maintained and practiced both cultures. I myself am Hispanic, by blood and culture as well.

    I know the Native culture of my Parents as well as American Culture completely. There is a growing trend of people being born saying that they are something they are not and classifications occuring on a wide scale. This is something learned in Sociology, who my father has a Doctoral in Sociology and taught me what he knew from texts I have read and studies I have taken.

    Anyway, enough of that.

    I wanted to be a guide early on too, but then I distanced myself as the community got worse and worse. I said "Do I want to devote myself to this game or spend my time playing others?" I chose the later, because I spent too much time helping out people out of my own free will and being punished for it. The phrase "No good deed goes unpunished" applies in my life.

    Now I don't care about having 1 clue, 2 clues or a million clues about you at the present time.


    and You want to talk about fair..... HAHA... You are giving RYL a fair chance are you? Mr. 25 reasons. Perhaps it did screw up your system, perhaps it was something else. But 25 in 1,000,000 is quite small number to say that it will screw everyone over who tries it. I realize you are just venting your frustrastions and what not.... so peace.

    Playing RYL 1 for a long time, then came Closed Beta and Open Beta, finally P2P. That is more of a chance. Every MMORPG I try, I make sure I try for at least 3 - 6 months before leaving because that is how long it really takes for things to get off the ground.

    Are you saying there are 1 million reasons why it would screw up your system? Would you like to type the other 999,925 reasons for us? That would be nice. When I try a game I try a game on multiple platforms and address the common problems it shows on all platforms. The platforms are

    An Athlon 64 3400+ w/ ATI x800XT
    An Intel P4 3.2Ghz w/ Nvidia 6800GT

    Those are high end

    AthlonXP 3000+ w/ 9600XT
    Intel P4 1.5ghz w/ Nvidia Geforce 3 ti-200

    Those are low - medium ends

    Now all 25 problems that were addressed were problems that were common in ALL 4 platforms during the time I played. I had to reformat both High end computers becaused of problems where Nprotect affected both computers. Both systems were heavily optimized and we were under the protection of an Intrusion Detection System and Hardware firewall as well as a floodcontrol device.

    On the computers that were Lower end, things ran more stable than high end models, but exhibited all problems on a smaller scale, but they were present.

    I can explain you in complete detail as to why this is. However this is not the time or place to do it.

    Are you going to tell me that all 4 computers themselves are to blame for the problems in there and not that 30,000 file game that is called RYL: PoTE but runs on top of RYL 1 using its core files to work around with for RYL: PoTE?


    Now, the Intel P4 3.2Ghz w/ 6800GT Nvidia is not owned by me, but owned by one of my best friends, who is a computer engineer and we are both gamers and have the hobby of sharing and experimenting and configuring systems together. We make sure each other doesnt screw up and we check each other's configurations before we start making tests. That is how well we know each other.

    The only fear I have now is that since I want to enter Quake 4, but can't wait for more Unreal Engine games. Because Nvidia 6800s perform better than ATI X800 series cards in the Doom 3 engine, that my friend has an advantage over me when that game is released enough to see the visual details and have a higher framerate, but it may be my lesson in agony considering that the last 3 games I won were all optimized in my favor, so its my turn to be at a disadvantage.


    Here's some nice messages from malicus:
    "for the 1 mill you have fun trying to get that only retards would believe that hype after pwg's track record and as for gm griefing it happens constantly and just cause it hasnt to you might be due to the fact you have your groupie head shoved up their assholes too far to hear. I am done talking to you asshat so go flame an open discussion some more. I got better things to do then dispute a game everyone knows is bad except a few fanbois such as yourself. Good luck with the million dollars homo"

    and then the Day my other account got banned

    "Hahaha u suck buddy."


    my main account been unbanned recently... but i choose this account.


    I don't care about the issues between you and Maticus. That is totally irrelevant and up to you. You don't need to explain to me anything regarding the both of you.

    I never declared you as evil, but I did comment on your post, which this is why people click to reply.


  • siLLYkiTEsiLLYkiTE Member Posts: 35

    And thus why I said I shouldn't continue.. because you will just twist what I say. Peace.

  • Sou|Sou| Member Posts: 43

    -.-

  • DetonatedDetonated Member Posts: 105

    /agree

    This game is an enormous steaming pile. Anyone with the slightest ammount of sense will see that after being logged in more than an hour.

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  • Sou|Sou| Member Posts: 43

    no,i like the game,i jsut dont like the company it hosts it :D

  • cotycoty Member Posts: 2



    Originally posted by Dark-$age

    1) This game has over 30,000 files. It has the files from the first game and the files from this game. Anyone will tell you that the more files a game is, the less its efficiency. Install the game, right click on it after pathing the game. 30,000 files to a game that literaly has no optimizations of any kind delivers a performance hit.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
    That is true, but I’d hardly make that a major reason why not to play RYL.
    3) There are no optimizations. Don't expect AMD/INTEL or Nvidia/ATI to help you.
    Normally, you would be drawn into an mmorpg by other reasons, this isn’t a MAJOR reason why not to play RYL.
    10) In order to correct the mistakes of bad attributes, you have to restat them. This means you must find an item called a stone of oblivion or buy it for a lot. Then you pay 10,000 per level you currently are, simply to actually undo 4 bunus points and redistribute them. It costs 2 bonus points for 1 main attribute and 1 bonus point for a secondary attribute.
    This is the only mmo I have played which allows you to redistribute stats.



    #1 )  30k files, translates to a slower running application. Every file that a program has to access, causes that program to halt / slow for a period of time; The hard drive being one of the slowest components in a computer. 30k files equals 30k chances for the program to slow down, when a program with one larger chunk of executable data would have less. Program hiccups turn into lag, which IS a major reason not to play a game.

    #3 ) 'Optimizations' is a term used to describe the different approaches that compilers [the computer program that turns source code into excutable program data] use to 'customize' the program data for a certain computer component, such as the CPU or video chipset. Optimizations make a great deal of difference in the performance of an application or program, in this case a game. Again, a slow program, equates to a laggy program. Should i again remind you that LAG is a major reason not to play an MMO?

    #10 ) Have you ever played any other MMO's ?? I have, Ultima Online, for example, allows one to not only modify stats but skills as well.

     

    Before you get skippy, peanut butter, i'm not flaming your rather civilized rebuttable, but hoping to shed some light on more technical aspects of computers.  =))

    Ultima Online -- 6 years and still playin

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