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Poll: Do You Believe That Archeage is P2W

laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
in ArcheAge

Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

 

My personal belief is that:

 

If real money is a competitive factor in an MMORPG then it is a P2W game. Therefore I believe that Archeage is a P2W game.

 

Whats your belief and why?

"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    Yes. But then again... 

     

     

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Here's what I think.

    I do believe that the game is P2W, however.

    We have seen all the explanations and definitions of the term and the meanings and the philosophical questions about what you can actually win in an MMO.

    But all that really is meaningless.

    It's about the reality of ArcheAge. What's really going on in the game? Who are the players who are dominating everything? Who are the most accomplished players. Who owns the most land? Who has the most gold? And yes, who has the best gear? An then of course, How did they get it?

    If the top players of AA got where they are due to RMT, then the game is P2W. If there are enough accomplished patrons at the top of the food chain who did not spend much, then that is the best argument for AA not being P2W. But unfortunately, this is very difficult to tell.

    It would be interesting the see a breakdown of the top 100 most accomplished players in AA. And a list of the top 100 biggest spenders in AA. If the lists contain the same names, then you have your answer. But no one outside of Trio has access to such a list. 

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    Here's what I think.

    I do believe that the game is P2W, however.

    We have seen all the explanations and definitions of the term and the meanings and the philosophical questions about what you can actually win in an MMO.

    But all that really is meaningless.

    It's about the reality of ArcheAge. What's really going on in the game? Who are the players who are dominating everything? Who are the most accomplished players. Who owns the most land? Who has the most gold? And yes, who has the best gear? An then of course, How did they get it?

    If the top players of AA got where they are due to RMT, then the game is P2W. If there are enough accomplished patrons at the top of the food chain who did not spend much, then that is the best argument for AA not being P2W. But unfortunately, this is very difficult to tell.

    It would be interesting the see a breakdown of the top 100 most accomplished players in AA. And a list of the top 100 biggest spenders in AA. If the lists contain the same names, then you have your answer. But no one outside of Trio has access to such a list. 

    I think there's a Trion employee on these boards you can ask.

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Originally posted by Iselin

    Yes. But then again... 

     

     

    I'll see your But then again...

     

    and raise you...

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    Here's what I think.

    I do believe that the game is P2W, however.

    We have seen all the explanations and definitions of the term and the meanings and the philosophical questions about what you can actually win in an MMO.

    But all that really is meaningless.

    It's about the reality of ArcheAge. What's really going on in the game? Who are the players who are dominating everything? Who are the most accomplished players. Who owns the most land? Who has the most gold? And yes, who has the best gear? An then of course, How did they get it?

    If the top players of AA got where they are due to RMT, then the game is P2W. If there are enough accomplished patrons at the top of the food chain who did not spend much, then that is the best argument for AA not being P2W. But unfortunately, this is very difficult to tell.

    It would be interesting the see a breakdown of the top 100 most accomplished players in AA. And a list of the top 100 biggest spenders in AA. If the lists contain the same names, then you have your answer. But no one outside of Trio has access to such a list. 

    I think there's a Trion employee on these boards you can ask.

    Naw, we'll just get a list of some top geared Korean gamer(s) compare to a list of top gear they can never have, as if that was proof the game isn't P2W.

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Originally posted by grimal
    I think there's a Trion employee on these boards you can ask.

     

    I'd bet a tidy some of money as to what his answer would be lol

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    Here's what I think.

    I do believe that the game is P2W, however.

    We have seen all the explanations and definitions of the term and the meanings and the philosophical questions about what you can actually win in an MMO.

    But all that really is meaningless.

    It's about the reality of ArcheAge. What's really going on in the game? Who are the players who are dominating everything? Who are the most accomplished players. Who owns the most land? Who has the most gold? And yes, who has the best gear? An then of course, How did they get it?

    If the top players of AA got where they are due to RMT, then the game is P2W. If there are enough accomplished patrons at the top of the food chain who did not spend much, then that is the best argument for AA not being P2W. But unfortunately, this is very difficult to tell.

    It would be interesting the see a breakdown of the top 100 most accomplished players in AA. And a list of the top 100 biggest spenders in AA. If the lists contain the same names, then you have your answer. But no one outside of Trio has access to such a list. 

    I think there's a Trion employee on these boards you can ask.

    Naw, we'll just get a list of some top geared Korean gamer(s) compare to a list of top gear they can never have, as if that was proof the game isn't P2W.

    You're right...almost forgot about that!

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591

    I just wanted to let you people know that....

     

    The one person that voted for me......

     

    Well.....

     

    That wasn't me

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • GwahlurGwahlur Member UncommonPosts: 201
    No matter peoples definition of p2w, AA is undeniably very very cash shop intensive.

    Expansion scrolls, labor pots, etc etc, all artificial and totally unneccesary limits only put in the game to make people buy stuff from the cash shop.

    In other games you can buy xp-pots etc that speeds up the process, there's no hard caps like labor points to what they're speeding up though. Big difference.

     

    Argue if it's p2w or whatever, I don't care, but bottom line is AA crosses a line for a sub based game with cash shops

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by laserit
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by laserit

    Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

    This community is hardly representative of gamers. Hell, it's hardly representative of MMO players. As long as you don't say this data is proof that AA is P2W, then cool.

    You'll now know how many petty, butt-hurt, sheeple think AA is P2W. Congrats!

    You're sounding kinda Butt-hurt yourself there dude.

    Same thought I had.... must be because we're both Canucks, eh?

     

    BTW...it wasn't me that voted for you either.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by laserit
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by laserit

    Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

    This community is hardly representative of gamers. Hell, it's hardly representative of MMO players. As long as you don't say this data is proof that AA is P2W, then cool.

    You'll now know how many petty, butt-hurt, sheeple think AA is P2W. Congrats!

    You're sounding kinda Butt-hurt yourself there dude.

    Same thought I had.... must be because we're both Canucks, eh?

     

    BTW...it wasn't me that voted for you either.

    How does someone else vote for you?

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by laserit
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by laserit

    Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

    This community is hardly representative of gamers. Hell, it's hardly representative of MMO players. As long as you don't say this data is proof that AA is P2W, then cool.

    You'll now know how many petty, butt-hurt, sheeple think AA is P2W. Congrats!

    You're sounding kinda Butt-hurt yourself there dude.

    Same thought I had.... must be because we're both Canucks, eh?

     

    BTW...it wasn't me that voted for you either.

    How does someone else vote for you?

    See the 3rd option in his poll image

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by Iselin

    See the 3rd option in his poll image

    Oh I see. Lol.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Iselin

    Yes. But then again... 

     

     

    Wtf is that supposed to mean?

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  • ThestrainThestrain Member CommonPosts: 390
    Originally posted by fiftyplusgeek
    Originally posted by laserit

    Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

    This community is hardly representative of gamers. Hell, it's hardly representative of MMO players. As long as you don't say this data is proof that AA is P2W, then cool.

    You'll now know how many petty, butt-hurt, sheeple think AA is P2W. Congrats!

    I am not petty, butt hurt or sheeple (ironic eh?) and yet i believe AA is P2W.

  • JackFrostyJackFrosty Member Posts: 103
    all F2P games are pay to win.

    When I wake up, the real nightmare begins

  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340

    I vote yes.

    ArcheAge should have been named PlasticAge

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  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    all F2P games are pay to win.

    Ummm, no. 

  • jitter77jitter77 Member UncommonPosts: 517
    I think that archeage is a bad combo.  First of all you need to be patron (sub) to own land which is a big part of the game.  Also you need to be patron if your serious about crafting.  I think patron should come with more char slots, inventory expansion, etc etc, but you have small bag space and can only make 2 chars.  I do not have trouble with labor as patron, but I only play a little bit every day.  I can see if you really slam crafting you would need to buy labor pots even if your 5klabor is maxed out.  Now they introduced a cash shop lucky chest which has a chance to give your a tree with a 10% chance of getting one of the prized items a thunderstruck tree.  Previously people had to plant hundreds and hundreds of trees in hopes of getting one thunderstruck.  Since this box was introduced the price of a thunderstruck  tree went from 1000gold to around 300g.  You need to thunderstruck logs to craft the important things in the game.  Trade carts, boats, etc etc...I think they should make a patron only server with no cash shop interference.  I think botting and hacking are a major problem.  Especially when it comes to land.  There is just not enough land period. 
  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    How can Archeage be P2W when you have all these people using bots/hacks to get ahead. Why pay when you can use illegal programmes?

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  • SaluteSalute Member UncommonPosts: 795

    I believe that AA is indeed a P2W game as many others in the market. I don't know if it's 10% or 90% P2W but i think it is. Imho most of the current mmo's are P2W, more or less, but on the other hand i don't really care. At least not anymore, because this is a conversation that has really tired me all these years. If i like a game i ll play it for as long it pleases me, even if i consider it a P2W. I don't play AA because i don't like it, not because i think its P2W.

    Just for the record. I can't accept opinions saying that a mmo is not P2W when you can acquire the same things that a cash shop sells,  in game. If you need lets say 20$ for a mount and its also a lootable item, but with a chance of 0.01% then its P2W in my eyes.

    For example i spend thousands of hours chasing Zulian Tiger in WoW and i got it 1-2 weeks before it was removed as a lootable item. If it was available in a cash shop for real money, then for me its P2W. You don't have to win anyone or everyone to consider something P2W. Spending my free time is more important than win someone in some scripted PvP arena or BG.

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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    all F2P games are pay to win.

    Ummm, no. 

    Yeah actually TERA is completely not P2W.  It's a shame the art-design is so werid and they are so slow with content.

  • swedagoswedago Member UncommonPosts: 78
    Originally posted by laserit

    Lets find out what the majority of  mmorpg.com members believe

     

    My personal belief is that:

     

    If real money is a competitive factor in an MMORPG then it is a P2W game. Therefore I believe that Archeage is a P2W game.

     

    Whats your belief and why?

    I believe Archaege is pay to get ripped off =P

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  • farbegefarbege Member UncommonPosts: 305

    Define  "win" or provide the winning condition for Archeage. 

    Poll is useless.

  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    Originally posted by farbege

    Define  "win" or provide the winning condition for Archeage. 

    Poll is useless.

    "You gain a distinct advantage by paying money over and beyond the sub cost."

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