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[Award] General: The Player's Choice Awards - Game of the Year

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.

    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D

    I just can't believe we're doing it again after we did it in December. I think In February we should do the worst MMO awards. It'd be nice to see Scarlet Blade and League of Angels duke it out... especially if they have to wrestle for it :)

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  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,628


    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Foomerang Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.
    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D

    You're most likely correct. But it is fun to see unfold Hehe

    Like I said, Pirate 101 all over again. That was popcorn worthy, this is getting there :)

  • Mannyv160Mannyv160 Member Posts: 2

    Crazy how i actually own all these games but only 2 games have kept me addicted like a crack head..

     

    They're both in the lead for a reason.

     

    DA:I and Marvel Heroes.

  • stealthbrstealthbr Member UncommonPosts: 1,054
    Marvel...... Heroes???? 
  • MotownMurderMotownMurder Member CommonPosts: 3
    All I know is that when this finishes on Saturday the devs are going to write something to the effect of "We're honored that the MMORPG.com community has dediced to honor us as the best overall MMO!" That's going to be infuriating as all get out.
  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Member UncommonPosts: 2,051
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Originally posted by Foomerang Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.
    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D
    You're most likely correct. But it is fun to see unfold Hehe

     

    Like I said, Pirate 101 all over again. That was popcorn worthy, this is getting there :)

    There are 4 options that I can see as to why this happens (or at least 4 that readily pop into my mind, I'm sure there are more).  

    1.  For whatever reason fans of the most talked about games on this site are less likely to vote.

    2.  Fans of the most talked about games on this site do vote, but Marvel Heroes got its community to disproportionately swarm this site.

    3.  A mixture of one and two where the most talked about games aren't necessarily the most liked, and one of the least popular (by unique hits on this site) is more liked, but not talked about.

    4.  A combination of 1 and 2 but with lots of duplicate accounts, with the assumption being that for whatever reason MH players are more untrustworthy than the community of the other games on the list.

     

    One, two and three are fine, but if 4 is the case then that is problematic as it breaks the rules and spirit of voting.  Also, if that is the argument one wants to make, it also implies that the MH community is more untrustworthy than the other games communities.  As I said, I'm sure that there are other reasons why this could be the way it is, but they are eluding me.

  • nuts316nuts316 Member Posts: 3
    Edit: double post
     
  • nuts316nuts316 Member Posts: 3
    And the A.I. for Shadow of Mordor is damn well done too.
  • JoeCarnageJoeCarnage Member Posts: 2
    I've been playing Marvel Heroes since some of the open beta weekends and it has continued to improve at a consistent rate. I haven't been so hooked on a PC game in years.
  • solpelsolpel Member UncommonPosts: 1
    Originally posted by Golarum

    I used to come on mmorpg.com everyday, been gaming for a very long time, and started playing mmos in 1996 with Meridian 59, recently, I've been losing interest in this website and honestly, a lot of the articles or polls on it don't make any sens anymore.

    I am not an MH hater, actually never played it and will not comment on it's quality, but I read about it and watched several youtube gameplay videos and it's neither an mmo or an rpg, so why is it even on the list? It's a multiplayer action game, nothing more or less. It's like me starting a best mmorpg list with the following games: COD, GTA, Barbie for NES. It makes no sense.

    Also, why would you even include Wildstar in that list? A game that died after 2 days after release.  It's like if at the Oscars they would include a movie that had 1% score on Rotten tomatoes for best movie of the year.

    I agree that putting MH as an mmo is a bit of a stretch, and a year ago it definitely was not(it at least has a raid dungeon now). However, many people considered GW1 an MMO, and it was also basically just an ARPG as well. Classifying some games gets a bit blurred these days.

    Myself, I voted MH because i've had fun with it the last two year and for 2014 MH was stellar. Its one of the few online games i've played that I have taken breaks from and actually come back.. all the other MMO's listed I either out right quit them within a month or two, or took a break from them and now feel no need to ever come back. 

    Also what other game can you say that you can watch the CEO of the company playing his own game on his own time(with his wife) and streaming it live every week. Marvel Heroes is the only one I know of. Also a great community with high developer interaction, not just some disposable "community manager".

  • Magnus7111Magnus7111 Member Posts: 1

    Divinity and MH.

     

    MH because I've put in an insane amount of hours over the last year. I've never played a game with so many updates in such a short time. There is a new patch every week, with new heroes, new content and new game systems every month.

  • Originally posted by Iselin
    As to your edit re: popular == liked, consider this... TSW is the highest rated game by users of this site @ 8.58 followed by GW2 @ 8.56 and FF XIV @ 8.52... MH on the other hand just cracked the top 7 today @ 7.93. Compare that with the % of the votes: TSW: not even on the list lol, GW2: 7.7%, FFXIV: 8%... MH 51.2 %...
    Seriously man, do you really think there is a legitimate logical explanation for that?

    Actually I do, but if you don't want to believe it, fine. It's all subjective anyway.

    I rated Marvel Heroes when I first started playing it. It's now a much better game than it was. One of the other sites just selected it most improved in 2014. However, I have not gone back to change my grade - not even sure if I can.

    The quality of the game, and the great developer-player relationship has formed a loyal fan base that votes for MHs. On the other hand, that's why it's such a good game, too.

    However, if you like another game more, then more power to you. :)

     

  • Originally posted by niceguy3978
     

    1.  For whatever reason fans of the most talked about games on this site are less likely to vote.

    2.  Fans of the most talked about games on this site do vote, but Marvel Heroes got its community to disproportionately swarm this site.

    3.  A mixture of one and two where the most talked about games aren't necessarily the most liked, and one of the least popular (by unique hits on this site) is more liked, but not talked about.

    4.  A combination of 1 and 2 but with lots of duplicate accounts, with the assumption being that for whatever reason MH players are more untrustworthy than the community of the other games on the list.

    Not a bad list, but I think you left a couple off.

    5. Being most talked about and most popular are two entirely different things, and have no relationship to each other.

    6. More far people read MMORPG.com than post. The selection of people who rate games or talk about games is a very small population and not representative of all those who visit here. When a poll like this comes up, significantly more people vote, including first-time visitors and the numbers can change drastically.

  • Maik36Maik36 Member CommonPosts: 59

    Marvel Heroes, and one of the worst MMOs released this year, ESO, are #1 and 2? All credibility for this website has been lost. Give credit where it is due. FFXIV has released more content over the last year than any of those MMOs combined. It has also managed to keep from going to F2P or B2P over a year after being re-released. FFXIV changed everything you ever thought about failed MMOs - it went from being one of the worst MMOs in history, to having over 2.5 million paying subscribers. FFXIV will go down in history as the only MMO that managed to do that. Instead you all are praising games on their last leg, that will be forgotten in a year's time.

     

    All this is, is a popularity contest. This website has never been a supporter of FFXIV and it never will. It's so sad.

     
     
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,385
    I voted Dragon Age : I and FFXIV ARR. I voted FFXIV ARR because the group content tops ESO. I think that is what an MMORPG is about grouping. Although I am playing ESO now it is very much  a solo game my vote goes to FFXIV ARR.
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  • Iratha_SorcieIratha_Sorcie Member Posts: 4

    Shadow of Mordor isn't even a RPG... not more than Assassin's Creed anyway. We've come to a point where anything with a dialogue is called RPG, it's getting pretty silly.

     

     

    Anyways, voted Divinity: Original Sin for best RPG, 1/10th of DA:I's hype/budget, but ten times its quality as RPG.

     

    For mmos I left it blank, don't know enough of most of them to cast a fair vote. It seems to me that most people in both polls are voting the big name game they know/play without really knowing what else they're missing, but I'm not going to be that guy.

     
     
  • ArazaleArazale Member Posts: 348
    Clearly you don't know what an RPG is at all if you don't think Shadow of Mordor is one.
  • Iratha_SorcieIratha_Sorcie Member Posts: 4

    I'm pretty sure that rushing brainlessly through map markers completing redundant hack&slash missions isn't what qualifies as RPG, at least not for an oldschool veteran like me.

     

    RPGs used to represent deep storytelling, choices and immersion, none of which you can find in Shadow of Mordor which by the way, I finished in under 15 hours. RPGs also used to be long and winded. Who knows, maybe next year we'll be voting Resident Evil as a RPG, because it's got 4 dialogue lines and you can upgrade your pistol with damage and accuracy mods.

     

    I don't know what passes as a RPG these days, but 'm not bothered. To each their own.

     
     
  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,628


    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Foomerang   Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Foomerang Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.
    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D
    You're most likely correct. But it is fun to see unfold Hehe   Like I said, Pirate 101 all over again. That was popcorn worthy, this is getting there :)
    There are 4 options that I can see as to why this happens (or at least 4 that readily pop into my mind, I'm sure there are more).  

    1.  For whatever reason fans of the most talked about games on this site are less likely to vote.

    2.  Fans of the most talked about games on this site do vote, but Marvel Heroes got its community to disproportionately swarm this site.

    3.  A mixture of one and two where the most talked about games aren't necessarily the most liked, and one of the least popular (by unique hits on this site) is more liked, but not talked about.

    4.  A combination of 1 and 2 but with lots of duplicate accounts, with the assumption being that for whatever reason MH players are more untrustworthy than the community of the other games on the list.

     

    One, two and three are fine, but if 4 is the case then that is problematic as it breaks the rules and spirit of voting.  Also, if that is the argument one wants to make, it also implies that the MH community is more untrustworthy than the other games communities.  As I said, I'm sure that there are other reasons why this could be the way it is, but they are eluding me.



    There is a good possibility it is 4 just by looking at all the one post accounts. They all have similar grammar, sentence structure, wording and are all about two sentences. Or that's just my wild imagination at work again Hehe
  • Iratha_SorcieIratha_Sorcie Member Posts: 4
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by niceguy3978

    Originally posted by Foomerang  

    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Originally posted by Foomerang Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.
    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D
    You're most likely correct. But it is fun to see unfold Hehe   Like I said, Pirate 101 all over again. That was popcorn worthy, this is getting there :)
    There are 4 options that I can see as to why this happens (or at least 4 that readily pop into my mind, I'm sure there are more).  

     

    1.  For whatever reason fans of the most talked about games on this site are less likely to vote.

    2.  Fans of the most talked about games on this site do vote, but Marvel Heroes got its community to disproportionately swarm this site.

    3.  A mixture of one and two where the most talked about games aren't necessarily the most liked, and one of the least popular (by unique hits on this site) is more liked, but not talked about.

    4.  A combination of 1 and 2 but with lots of duplicate accounts, with the assumption being that for whatever reason MH players are more untrustworthy than the community of the other games on the list.

     

    One, two and three are fine, but if 4 is the case then that is problematic as it breaks the rules and spirit of voting.  Also, if that is the argument one wants to make, it also implies that the MH community is more untrustworthy than the other games communities.  As I said, I'm sure that there are other reasons why this could be the way it is, but they are eluding me.


    There is a good possibility it is 4 just by looking at all the one post accounts. They all have similar grammar, sentence structure, wording and are all about two sentences. Or that's just my wild imagination at work again Hehe

     

     

    There is also another possibility.

     

    Most people are voting the ESO competitor with most chances to win because they know the ESO community is vocal and active and they want to outdo that handicap.

     

    Mysteries of human psychology.

     
    This poll doesn't have any transcendental meaning so the result doesn't really matter.
  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Member UncommonPosts: 2,051
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by niceguy3978

    Originally posted by Foomerang  

    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Originally posted by Foomerang Maybe the point isn't to try and get people from your MMOs community to come over and vote it up. But what do I know, heh.
    I'm pretty sure that is exactly the point of these voting contests: to get more people to traffic the site and hope to increase daily hits. It's not a bad thing. If they only wanted to get a count of the regular forum members they could program in constraints like account age, last visit date, minimum number of posts, or my favorite - minimum number of stars. :D
    You're most likely correct. But it is fun to see unfold Hehe   Like I said, Pirate 101 all over again. That was popcorn worthy, this is getting there :)
    There are 4 options that I can see as to why this happens (or at least 4 that readily pop into my mind, I'm sure there are more).  

     

    1.  For whatever reason fans of the most talked about games on this site are less likely to vote.

    2.  Fans of the most talked about games on this site do vote, but Marvel Heroes got its community to disproportionately swarm this site.

    3.  A mixture of one and two where the most talked about games aren't necessarily the most liked, and one of the least popular (by unique hits on this site) is more liked, but not talked about.

    4.  A combination of 1 and 2 but with lots of duplicate accounts, with the assumption being that for whatever reason MH players are more untrustworthy than the community of the other games on the list.

     

    One, two and three are fine, but if 4 is the case then that is problematic as it breaks the rules and spirit of voting.  Also, if that is the argument one wants to make, it also implies that the MH community is more untrustworthy than the other games communities.  As I said, I'm sure that there are other reasons why this could be the way it is, but they are eluding me.


    There is a good possibility it is 4 just by looking at all the one post accounts. They all have similar grammar, sentence structure, wording and are all about two sentences. Or that's just my wild imagination at work again Hehe

     

    Honestly, I think it has much more to do with 2 mainly because of the very high level of interaction between the dev team and community.  They keep a running track of the most recent dev posts at the top of the forum page and the dev team is constantly talking to the community.  Not just the community manager, but the dev leads for content, artwork, etc.  I haven't seen a game of this size do that.  It is usually the indy mmo's with very small teams that communicate this way.  I think this leads to a community willing to vote.  I could be wrong though, and the MH community may just be unethical.  Who knows?

  • GolarumGolarum Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by solpel
    Originally posted by Golarum

    I used to come on mmorpg.com everyday, been gaming for a very long time, and started playing mmos in 1996 with Meridian 59, recently, I've been losing interest in this website and honestly, a lot of the articles or polls on it don't make any sens anymore.

    I am not an MH hater, actually never played it and will not comment on it's quality, but I read about it and watched several youtube gameplay videos and it's neither an mmo or an rpg, so why is it even on the list? It's a multiplayer action game, nothing more or less. It's like me starting a best mmorpg list with the following games: COD, GTA, Barbie for NES. It makes no sense.

    Also, why would you even include Wildstar in that list? A game that died after 2 days after release.  It's like if at the Oscars they would include a movie that had 1% score on Rotten tomatoes for best movie of the year.

    I agree that putting MH as an mmo is a bit of a stretch, and a year ago it definitely was not(it at least has a raid dungeon now). However, many people considered GW1 an MMO, and it was also basically just an ARPG as well. Classifying some games gets a bit blurred these days.

    Myself, I voted MH because i've had fun with it the last two year and for 2014 MH was stellar. Its one of the few online games i've played that I have taken breaks from and actually come back.. all the other MMO's listed I either out right quit them within a month or two, or took a break from them and now feel no need to ever come back. 

    Also what other game can you say that you can watch the CEO of the company playing his own game on his own time(with his wife) and streaming it live every week. Marvel Heroes is the only one I know of. Also a great community with high developer interaction, not just some disposable "community manager".

    As I said, I am not talking about the quality of the game, I will actually try it to see if I like it, but you brought up GW1 as not being an mmo, I believe that for GW we can at least debate about it being an mmorpg or not, in the case of MH, there is no debate, it is not an mmorpg. it is an online action adventure game and not an online action role playing game. That is the point I'm trying to make...

     

  • GolarumGolarum Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by Maik36

    Marvel Heroes, and one of the worst MMOs released this year, ESO, are #1 and 2? All credibility for this website has been lost. Give credit where it is due. FFXIV has released more content over the last year than any of those MMOs combined. It has also managed to keep from going to F2P or B2P over a year after being re-released. FFXIV changed everything you ever thought about failed MMOs - it went from being one of the worst MMOs in history, to having over 2.5 million paying subscribers. FFXIV will go down in history as the only MMO that managed to do that. Instead you all are praising games on their last leg, that will be forgotten in a year's time.

     

    All this is, is a popularity contest. This website has never been a supporter of FFXIV and it never will. It's so sad.

     
     

    I feel like you are giving a little too much praise to FFXIV, I play it, and I enjoy it, but it did not bring more content (fixing the game is not new content) than any other mmo out there in the last year, actually, it barely brought any content compared to some of the other AA titles. And I do give credit to Square for being able to release the game, but at the same time, we can look at it in another way, I bought the first release of the game, and I felt scammed, so to me, it was Square's responsibility to do something about that. The first version of the game was probably one of the worst releases of an mmorpg ever. The game is ok, but it is not amazing, I play it casually because when I invest a few hours in it, I get bored of the constant empty grind to lvl other classes. To call FFXIV one of the greats, Square still has a long way to go. As I said, I enjoy it, but I feel that you think too highly of the game, you can say that you, personally find it to be the best, but you cannot say that it is better than other games.

  • GolarumGolarum Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by Arazale
    Clearly you don't know what an RPG is at all if you don't think Shadow of Mordor is one.

    Clearly YOU don't know what an RPG is at all if you think Shadow of Mordor is one.

    I agree with Iratha, it's not an RPG and not even close to being one.

  • JedayeJedaye Member Posts: 4

    I admit it. I created over 2000 accounts just to vote for Marvel Heroes. On the other hand it could be the fact that our community is very active off this site and on the site that we actually use all the time because of the interaction with other members as well as the developers joining in with the community.

    We support them for a reason. They give us a great game. They talk to us.  We are made to feel as though we matter to the growth of the game out side of the cash grab other development teams seam so focused on. We turned out to vote because a normal member brought this to our attention, not a member of the development team. We came and voted because MH deserves all the positives that it has been getting recently.

    It is in no way perfect as nothing ever is. We voted because we wanted to. Some of the other gaming communities could have done the same, if they cared enough to do so.

    FlashAHAH
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