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If it sounds too good to be true...
And then there is this forum - the whole front page is threads started by the sane individual. I have never seen this before in any mmorpg.com forum...
/pass
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Look at my post count. Do I look like a Dev that came here to push a game?
I'm just an old MMO gamer that hasn't played an MMO for years because they aren't what I want. This game looks good to me. I'm a fan. That's all there is to that. Hell, I haven't even posted here much for quite a while because I've pretty much given up on MMOs until I saw these guys actually were following a plan that looked like it had a chance.
Once upon a time....
I can understand that. Full loot isn't for everyone. But I have a different feeling about it.
See, I started with UO. It had full loot, open PvP, and even the MOBs looted your corpse. heh
But that also meant that there was a social aspect to the game. Besides the lousy griefer stuff, I mean. Whe players died in a dungeon or surrounded by MOBs, other players who were decent would resurrect them and then help draw those MOBs away so that player could get to his corpse and get his gear back. This was at the risk for those other players of dying and losing their own loot.
People made friends that way. Guilds would go help people and often ended up with new recruits who were quite loyal to them. That sort of social atmosphere is completely lacking in modern MMOs (most of them, anyways).
That's why I haven't played any for several years. I just got tired of feeling like a scripted robot. I was falling asleep while playing. There was no reason to do anything except that script of mouse movements and button mashing. Hell, I even gave up talking to other players in-game. They hardly ever talked back anyways. There just was no reason to do that. It's become a numbing experience, with the rare exceptions of some great scenery or something, but that gets old in a few minutes too.
That's why I like the old fashioned games. They feel alive. Other players aren't just manikins. And success was a whole lot sweeter because you could lose too.
Once upon a time....
Thank you very much for that link.
Someone has been following this (scam) for a long time, and has documented it very well.
Hopefully, everyone will do their research prior to donating to these type of projects.
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415
Well, this is some of what they would have to do trying to find money to startup. They should have those ready to go. It is also to prove they are more than someone with "a concept". Make them earn it.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Full loot PvP is for almost no one.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
No need to hate on something just because you don't like it. There's thousands of games without full loot out there.
Also in attempt to craft an on-topic pun, kick me when this thing starts live.
No hate, just stating market trends.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Very interesting.
Multiple kickstarter / crowdfunding attempts. Taking "donations" for virtual items for a game that does not exist, basically dropping off the map with the "donations" years ago and now coming back asking for more money.
What could possibly go wrong!! Here take my money !!......... Or not
I hate to say it Dullahan, but you are starting to resemble the hordes of other people on here, who say they want innovation , and yet always find something else about the games to complain about.
Are you saying that said GM will always show up on tues at 6 pm? I don't even understand your concern here?
Always waiting for the perfect game that never comes.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Ya fishy
Really? Where's a real complaint? I mean, there's not one donor from the first try who has complained, mainly because they weer aware up front that it was a donation and there were no promises. From what I understand, most of them have donated again in the second effort that brought this KickStarter.
That's nothing more than a hit piece. A personal grudge. I think it's because the guy is a coder/developer wannabe and resents that some guys who are only "designers" (and not good at coding games themselves) dare to try to make a game. Well, NEWS FLASH, this is a free country where anyone with an idea can try to make it a reality!
That hit piece is full of accusations, rumors based on guesses, and nothing of substance. Hell, I was accused of being one of their developers in this thread just like they claim has been done before. And I'm just a fan of the game design that wants to play it. This is nothing but slander based on that guy/gal's personal butthurt vendetta.
Once upon a time....
This thread is still going strong? Jesus Christ it's been almost an entire year. That thread has lies in the first line, "They hyped their game, took donations," right there, no they didn't take donations back then, that never even happened. They didn't take any money from anyone. "They're using default unity assets" No they aren't, nothing they've ever used has been a default unity asset. All of the "grievances" these people have about their "shady history" don't even exist, it's just a bunch of people bitching for an entire year because I guess they don't have anything better to do.
This is my first post on this site so call me fake if you want, I have the name Skyfire on the ToA forum with at the moment 643 posts since I found out about this around the last kickstarter, none of which are fake or spammy, you can read them all yourself if you really want to, boom http://trialsofascension.com/forum/members/skyfire.2602/. I've been in most of the tests and I can say that everything in the KS video is real and functions as shown, I've watched it build and improve over every iteration and this will only continue. If you don't like the game because it's a sandbox, or because wandering alone while carrying valuables might get you stabbed, then fine. I personally enjoy the contest of a human opponent, if you don't then whatever, doesn't matter. Just judge the game based on it's own merits. This isn't EA out to get every buck out of you that they possibly can, for once it's people genuinely just trying to make a cool game and needing some capital to do it. They've accomplished everything they needed for a working multiplayer game with combat and crafting in under a year, but for it to have actual varied content and make an entire continent with forests, tundra, deserts, dungeons, three fully functioning and completely different races, etc... would be nice to have that done in a reasonable time frame.
Read what they're actually saying. "A forum thread for the biggest settlement has 5,000 posts made by hundreds of people over the course of two entire years, clearly they're faking it." Uh huh. No, it's impossible these people just liked chatting for an average of six posts per day and used that thread to do it in. That thread you linked has 4,201 posts over the past 8~ months? Interesting.
I'm so done with that nonsense.
If by a year you mean 24 hours...Although it's easy to get confused since the same poster that started this one starts 99% of threads in this forum to advertise and promote this game...
From the rules of conduct:
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Skyrire45's talking about that hit piece linked earlier.
And so what if someone posted a bunch of OPs? That someone, I believe, is a Dev. Do you see something wrong with that? This is the forum devoted to their game, after all.
Once upon a time....
Yeah. See my edit above: it's using forum posts to blatantly advertise.
Edit: but here it is again:
Medium Infractions
At the discretion of the moderator and/or the Community Manager, the following infractions will be classed as either minor or major infractions and appropriate penalties will be applied.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Iselin, it's their game's forum. That's not advertising, it's updating news.
Once upon a time....
Well... let's put it this way... I ain't reporting them because I don't like picking on the little guys...
But posting as a forum poster with a name that doesn't make it obvious you're the developer, is too close to advertising disguised as interest by a fan for my liking.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Eh, yeh, but there's a fine line to that, too. I could argue any time any dev participated in conversation, that person is "advertising". I think there's a certain spirit to that rule, and while "hey, come support us" walks that line, I don't think it crosses, for the intent of the rule.
That said, though, some people are wayyy above and beyond normal "idealism backing" for this game in particular. Hey, maybe they woke up on the wrong side of the bed several days in a row. You never know what's going on, good or bad, in some peoples' lives. All things being equal, however, all understanding of the released data of said game being shared between all these participants, there's categorically nothing to be so entrenched and so animate to defend or champion. There's just nothing there. People are insulting each other over a veritable fart in the wind, a premise, a promise, no demo here, no substance. It's out of the ordinary. How can they not see this?
Here we have a "game" which after 13 (?) years has nothing to show. We understand people give money "for donation purposes only with no guarantee", but that disclaimer stops working after awhile and it certainly doesn't last all this time. Now, if you're going to argue they weren't trying to accept money 13 years ago, you still must admit they were taking money 5 years ago, right? What are you arguing? It's like you're legitimizing this madness.
If you like this game, if you care very much for the idea and the people behind it, tell them, yourself, "put something together to show you are doing this. Show us one year of work to show you're serious and capable of committing to a project". You know, they may have the best intentions but be ill in some way which makes them fully incapable of carrying through with something. Maybe they entirely believe "if they just have x dollars" they can get something done. Maybe they're not criminally-minded cons but mad hatters. Who knows? It ain't gonna be with my money!
Would it also be bad if I posted news related to them constantly, if it were me instead? This particular forum is all about their game.
What would you have people post in this forum? Talk about WoW here instead? Their favorite choice of music? Or not post anything?
Once upon a time....
What do you mean by "nothing to show"?
Player testers are building a village in that video.
Once upon a time....
How about if you post here when they have a playable demo with 1 class, 1 "race", a couple buildings, a couple mobs and an inventory container?
edit: that's to say, posting defending the game. you can post here all you like, but there isn't a "trials of ascension game" to post about.