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What video? The video of the hero engine demo?!?
Yeah. I'm perfectly OK with fans promoting their favorite game. That's just honest opinions by a fan... and a developer participating occasionally, identifying themselves and promoting their game is just fine too.
But look at the front page in this forum... every thread except one was started by BlackLotusDragon. I don't see that in any other forum at mmorpg.com. A bit excessive, don't you think?
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I am very reluctant to throw money at most of these Kickstarter games, but this raises a lot of red flags.
I think part of the Kickstarter for these games should include a 5 day pass to log into what they have working of the game before even supporting it. All this hopes and dreams without proof of product is getting old and there are many that are getting burned by these scams.
You mean the engine that was used to make SWTOR?
And you can't build a village in the HeroEngine demo. That's all their own stuff.
I don't think they are using that engine anyways. But I'm not sure.
Once upon a time....
8~ months, and they've made a new video they've put on the Kickstarter page demonstrating directly what they've been working on. This thing, right here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forgedchaos/trials-of-ascension/description is what he's referring to.
I'm just don't like seeing people get hated on for things they didn't even do. If you don't like the game because of things it actually did, fine, but they could make something really awesome if they got half a chance.
Here's the YouTube video of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx7VRaP4g9o#t=13
And while I'm at it, here's a video showing and explaining their dynamic spawning system they've built. Themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pznkuhH9r4s
And yes, this game will be that "something different" and awesome. If they succeed with the KickStarter.
Once upon a time....
Is there a reason why all their Youtube videos have comments turned off?
I don't know. Probably because of the same type of negative crap we see here. Or maybe they simply don't have time to answer questions and comments there. They are kind of busy these days.
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Haha I guess that does seem kinda weird at first glance, huh? It was because I usually posted all the updates that were released on the homepage of the official site here but I've neglected to do so for a while now so, with the Kickstarter on the horizon, I posted them all up for reference. If you look they were all posted on the same day and in the first post I say "It's been a while since I posted here but there has been tons of news and updates regarding Trials of Ascension in the past few months I think is worth sharing". In retrospect, that probably wasn't the best idea but what can you do?
I have to comment on this because this will hurt not just only the backers but the gaming community and the kickastarter project for people who really have something to offer to us gamers:
Lets go back in time, title registred in 2002 by Shadowpool Studios, they then changed the company name to Forged Chaos, this is the second kickstarter try, they failed the first, because they dont have nothing to show, you only see a huge cash shop in their website filled with images of items, its all artwork, no 3D model in sight, they asked 500 dollars for a demo in the past, and this time you see a dev video, with a time speed video of a house being build, and a very dark video with a spider that you know its kind of a spider for the tipical sound representation of a spider, and thats it.
Now, there are some ideas for their game that sound good, but that is all theory, this smells scam all over the place, and i cant believe some people still defend this, this will hurt us all, this hurts the kickstarter project and at the end us as gamers will suffer from this.
Want to stop all the negativity Forged Chaos? Give us playable demos, dont give us default unity props or renderings of default assets, we want to see the game, where is the game? WHat have you guys doing since 2002?
Show US the gamers what have you got to offer besides artwork, default assets from the unity engine/purchased assets packs, and a cash shop page that rivals AAA titles alreayd in the market, and even those dont have the absurd that you have in yours.
Make us believe, US gamers and press.
Please ignore all of those people reposting the link to that poisonous thread. It is completely full of lies and everyone in that thread keeps repeating those lies hoping that it will eventually be true.
The indie company may be approaching this whole thing in an unorthodox manner and it's understandable why people would be skeptical but that thread is seriously garbage.
Please give them the benefit of the doubt and ignore that harmful thread.
Good luck ToA with your kickstarter!
I cant give them the benefict of the doubt when they already collect money from previous fundraising campaigns and at the course of 13 years they have nothing to show, like i said, all artwork, no 3D models of their shop items and shady videos of scripted gameplay and more, i want to believe like you, but at this point i cant, sorry.
See what I mean? The mmo-champ thread is poison and they KEEP voicing the same lies over and over and over again.
"Development for 10-12 years", "Default models", "no 3d models" etc. etc.
It is all LIES.
The developers have already officially address all of these points and yet people like Kon here ignore it all and continue with their unrelenting series of lies.
It's ridiculous to say the least.
I mistyped. It should have read "Unity". Look, here...
http://mmo-play.com/mmo-blog/perils-of-supporting-kickstarter-mmo
"Our first example is a game called Trials of Ascension. According to reports, this game has been in development off an on apparently for years. It seems that there was some fundraising a number of years ago, promises of development were made, and then the project went dark for a number of years. Fast forward to late last year when the developers returned and set up a Kickstarter project to the tune of $750,000. The project was eventually cancelled and a number of gamers raised red flags of that the company never showed any signs that the game actually existed. After the project was canned, some videos were sent out showing some gameplay, but there were some people who maintained that the footage shown was basic Unity stuff that comes with the engine. Now the defunct Kickstarter mmo is raising funds on their website and have an extensive shop there to sell merchandise, both physical and virtual, despite the fact that they're still working on a demo."
I read about the dev decision to use Hero, which is old on their forum http://www.trialsofascension.com/forum/threads/hero-engine.1985/ and had Hero on the brain. Anyway, that article above is from last June. I have been investigating and doing homework. Ok, I see this new video. It's a correction for what they failed last year. At least they're on top of things enough to know why their funding previously did poorly and how to fix it. And hey, instead of 750k with no video, they're asking for 600k with a video, that I could make with the help of a couple friends in about 40ish hours, using a free downloaded engine.
Whatever. I've said my part. Now we're arguing in circles. I'm honestly still not seeing anything to which I'd give funding. No hate, but honesty.There's currently an open invitation to try the playable demo for any press outlets and a number of streamers which will be shown over the next week or so. Since they lifted the NDA I can finally say I've played the technical demo and it is fully functional as per the items listed on the roadmap with both male and female human characters and the Raknar beast race currently playable. If you check out the websites screenshot section or their G+ Pre-Alpha Screenshot Album, you'll see a bunch of in-game screenshots of the testers in action. Outside of the two videos you mentioned there's also the KS trailer video which shows loads of in-game footage here.
All assets in the game are custom-made as stated here by the lead programmer. It should also be noted that there are ZERO plans for a cash shop from now until launch and beyond. The only time they planned to offer in-game items (nearly all of which were cosmetic) was as part of the Light the Forge campaign to fund the development of the technical demo and will never be seen again, and they stated as much at the onset of that. You can view the official pay model here.
It you would give any stranger the benefit of the doubt you must be a huge sucker.
Why don't you point out all the lies being said and back it up with some evidence? I'm sure if there are so many lies it should be easy for you to refute them?
That is of course unless, you want us to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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See, you were doing so well until this, but I commend your honesty.
"The only time" -so far, "nearly all of which were cosmetic"- oh...k... "fund the development of the tech demo"- erm, I'm starting to lose my lunch here.
So they sell in-game items for real money for a game which doesn't even yet exist, nevermind the issues we have with companies with alpha state cash shops, to make this demo we're watching, which is the proof or incentive people should donate to their kickstarter...
man, come on, just, stop...
just...stop.
edit: I thought about this more and now I need crowdfunding for a new pair of sides.
Is people like you that ruins the gaming community with that blunt denial and you serious need medical attention, i go to google and find all proof of existance of the things you calling a lie, i know the game since it was announced way back before that thread you mention existed, i have been watching this project and i hoped at the time of their first kickstarter that they succeed, but after all that i have seen since then this is a second try of vaporware.
LOL.
Yes, it's people like me who ruin gaming communities. You're the one who created an account JUST to troll this thread. Why don't you go back to your mmo-champ thread and join in on their never-ending circle jerk.
"The only time" -so far, "nearly all of which were cosmetic"- oh...k... "fund the development of the tech demo"- erm, I'm starting to lose my lunch here.
So they sell in-game items for real money for a game which doesn't even yet exist, nevermind the issues we have with companies with alpha state cash shops, to make this demo we're watching, which is the proof or incentive people should donate to their kickstarter...
man, come on, just, stop...
just...stop.
It's totally fine to disagree with their methodology in that regard but they were fully transparent with their goals, their intentions, and even listed the risks in big red letters prior to any purchase going through. There were some that didn't feel comfortable backing at that stage and in the instances when those concerns were raised rather than trying to pitch a sale they simply said "don't back". There was even physical merch for those that wanted to help but didn't want to gamble on digital items they may never receive. I can see the reasons why one may not support that method of crowdfunding but they gave enough information about the company, the project, and the goals for anyone to make an informed decision before moving forward.
As his account is over 3 years old, doesn't that mean your confirming his arguments?
Can't help but wonder if it might not be a good idea for mmorpg.com to take down this particular forum in the event all these accusations prove to be true, i don't think they need to be seen to be giving some kind of legitimacy to what may prove to be a scam.
I just wanted to come and chime in that they've HAD multiple chances.
By their own admittance they've been offered publisher money, they chose not to take it because they wanted to do things "their" way.
They had a kickstarter, they poorly presented themselves and showed a pretty lame video that resulted in them failing hard.
In 13 years three grown men couldn't pool enough money to put their wallets where their mouths are? I started an app company with $0 and found an investor that gave me $60k on an extremely risky project.
If the market is big enough for TOS to succeed they should either have plenty of financing options or be able to boot strap it to success. Instead they blame the stagnant market that gets billions of dollars a year, blamed everyone but themselves for not getting financing in place, and make excuse after excuse of why they haven't released TOS.
They pretend to take blame by admitting to their kickstarter failing, they pretend that they learned from their mistakes, but have you watched their new kickstarter video? Have you taken a look at each tier from outsider's perspective? Who in their right mind would donate the amounts they're asking? They're spending a whole 3% on reward fulfillment for people to give them a ton of money and absorb almost all of the risk?
At the end of the day TOA and Brax have had multiple chances to prove that TOA is something the world wants. I love the idea of a survival mmorpg where you can play as a dragon, I loved the original lore and all the skill options they used to talk about, and I loved the ideas behind TOA. What I didn't enjoy was the excuses that they have made time and time again for why TOA isn't a finished product by now.
All three admit to having day jobs, I'm assuming they have homes, if they REALLY believe TOA will be a success why not risk everything you have on TOA?
Again, I started a bootstrap company and dumped EVERYTHING I had into it, I quit my job, dumped all of my savings into creating the product, and put my money where my mouth is.
They could have built a watered down version of TOA, gotten a bunch of money as a result, and then gone on to make their "hardcore" version without compromising.
Their inability to compromise with the publishers and their decision to stick to their guns is why TOA will probably never get the AAA treatment it deserves.
All of that said, I wish them the best of luck with their kickstarter and that's why this is posted here and NOT on their kickstarter. I do wish they would have thought the tiers out a LOT more, those rewards hardly make me want to jump on them before they're gone. $150 and you get alpha access and a beta buddy pass, there are no goodies, there are no kickstarter exclusive in game items. It's a joke if they think people are going to spend thousands of dollars just to get digital exclusives.
When half of their current funding comes from a hand-full of individuals unfortunately that tells you a lot about what the public thinks of TOA objectively.
In before the rabid fan boys saying I'm one of the "haters", yes I am familiar with the champion thread and no I didn't start it or participate in it, I am a fan of TOA that is giving an honest perspective that Shadowpool and Brax should have taken the deals the publishers offered him a decade ago. I used to love TOA and now I'm just skeptical that they'll ever take the leap that entrepreneurs HAVE to take if they want to really succeed.
The proof is really in the pudding, the moment they raised $60k they should have quit their day jobs and gone all in on the game, the fact that they didn't is more telling than anything.
Yeah, a 3 year old account that's got 4 total posts. One being negative on some other game. and the other 3 all posted in this thread trying to ruin this game development.
And here you are, trying to get MMORPG to shut down this entire forum based on the same false claims of "scam".
Talk about something that smells fishy.
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