I also have years of programming experience C/C++, assembly, java,C# ran a debugger stepped through the code of the launcher found out that a change to patcher code prevented UserSettings.txt from being created, manually created the file and now it works.
Proof that Zenimax does not test code properly that hundreds of players are having the same issue, thing is on an update you would not experience this problem ,on a fresh install the launcher would fail to launch.
Zenimax needs to code a proper debug on userserttings failure to load that in show just how sloppy their code really is.
Sure you did. What change prevented the text file from being created. I always love to hear it from the IT pros and people with multiple language experience to just debug things and then come up with a vague fault. It's always so easy to find fault in other peoples coding and design isn't it.
Go ahead and post the bug and fix here.
Change from previous version of patcher code, like said since that file already exists if your just updating your patcher no problems, but if it is a fresh install patcher will fail to run.
And yet somehow it will run just fine for 99.9% of the world. Weird, eh?
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And yet somehow it will run just fine for 99.9% of the world. Weird, eh?
Funny how that works right? My brother just patched from last version tonight while a friend just did a new install on his new SSD. Both we're playing late this evening with no issues. Oh, and the reinstall was through steam.
Damn ZOS! I bet they are some how racially profiling.
Lol indeed. A developers first question would be, does it affect everyone? secondly, only when you identify and prove the fix can you say you understand the defect.
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I also have years of programming experience C/C++, assembly, java,C# ran a debugger stepped through the code of the launcher found out that a change to patcher code prevented UserSettings.txt from being created, manually created the file and now it works.
Proof that Zenimax does not test code properly that hundreds of players are having the same issue, thing is on an update you would not experience this problem ,on a fresh install the launcher would fail to launch.
Zenimax needs to code a proper debug on userserttings failure to load that in show just how sloppy their code really is.
Sure you did. What change prevented the text file from being created. I always love to hear it from the IT pros and people with multiple language experience to just debug things and then come up with a vague fault. It's always so easy to find fault in other peoples coding and design isn't it.
Go ahead and post the bug and fix here.
Change from previous version of patcher code, like said since that file already exists if your just updating your patcher no problems, but if it is a fresh install patcher will fail to run.
Except that there are people doing new installs. Many of them, in fact, if the number of new players I see showing up and asking questions in chat is any indication. Seems to have worked just fine for them. Since they're, ya know, in game and playing.
A guild member just came back to game yesterday, having reinstalled from scratch, and they didn't report any problems.
Everyone's using the same code, running the same program/patcher.
Many, hell even most people are getting it to go just fine.
Some others aren't.
If it's working for most/many people, then the patcher is doing what it's supposed to do... or is at least trying to.
In the case of those where it's not doing what it's supposed to be, there is something preventing it from doing so on those specific systems.
I've had the same issue happen to me with other games, where a file couldn't be created (Anarchy Online comes to mind). It was also during the patching process in that case. The conflict was with something on my system. Once I fixed that issue, on my system, the patching continued just fine.
The point is... a program being unable to do something it's trying to, isn't proof that the program itself is the problem. It takes two to tango. The program needs to be able to do that thing, unhindered. Or, you know.. it won't work.
So, your continued attempt to lay all blame for your friend's woes at Zeni's feet falls short again. I admire your tenacity, though.
For the next round, maybe you can claim to also be an Electrical Engineer, and try it from that angle? Maybe an OS developer at Microsoft? Just giving suggestions.
I also have years of programming experience C/C++, assembly, java,C# ran a debugger stepped through the code of the launcher found out that a change to patcher code prevented UserSettings.txt from being created, manually created the file and now it works.
Years of programming experience? And you did that? Instead of just googling... dude that's a seriously common problem... on certain PC's...
Seriously... jesus there is a guide for simple fixes... from OVER a YEAR AGO.. no need to go debugging things... just google it FFS.
I trump your programming by using this ingenious thing called Google. It's like a fast lane.. you type in a couple of things it's doing.. add the name of the game.. and WHAMMY! there's you answers.
This is why most tech jobs are being outsourced to India ladies and gents.
I wish this site had a "like" button.
I wonder if it's too late to put in a feature request for the new website/forums?
Originally posted by Bladestrom Customisable ui is good, opinionated fixed ui design is bad. There are plenty of ui mods, you pick what you want and go.
Yea, but the you get blamed for using addons, by certain people.
That doesn't make sense, you get blamed for what?
Read the thread, they claim poor performace because of addons and you shouldnt use any and its all your fault.
Its not true, but you still get the blame ;P
Addons do cause problems - lots of them. If the point is to fix issues that someone has it's really the first thing to try.
On the other hand, if the point is to attack a game that you don't like, then you're not looking for fixes.
I don't know what the devil it is, but I play all sorts of games and have no problems with them at all. And in every single case there is someone stomping their feet and yelling themselves blue about what a terrible, buggy mess that game is.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Customisable ui is good, opinionated fixed ui design is bad. There are plenty of ui mods, you pick what you want and go.
Yea, but the you get blamed for using addons, by certain people.
That doesn't make sense, you get blamed for what?
Read the thread, they claim poor performace because of addons and you shouldnt use any and its all your fault.
Its not true, but you still get the blame ;P
Addons do cause problems - lots of them. If the point is to fix issues that someone has it's really the first thing to try.
On the other hand, if the point is to attack a game that you don't like, then you're not looking for fixes.
I don't know what the devil it is, but I play all sorts of games and have no problems with them at all. And in every single case there is someone stomping their feet and yelling themselves blue about what a terrible, buggy mess that game is.
Kids today.
Exactly.
And it's ridiculously easy to spot the ones that don't really want help but just want to throw tantrums and flame: when you try to help by offering solutions they call that "getting blamed."
I've been building and overclocking the crap out of PCs for decades now. Anyone who does that quickly develops a humble "what the fuck did I do wrong?" attitude as the first thing you think about when something isn't working right. You learn to troubleshoot your own problems without throwing immature public hissy fits.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom Customisable ui is good, opinionated fixed ui design is bad. There are plenty of ui mods, you pick what you want and go.
Yea, but the you get blamed for using addons, by certain people.
That doesn't make sense, you get blamed for what?
Read the thread, they claim poor performace because of addons and you shouldnt use any and its all your fault.
Its not true, but you still get the blame ;P
Addons do cause problems - lots of them. If the point is to fix issues that someone has it's really the first thing to try.
On the other hand, if the point is to attack a game that you don't like, then you're not looking for fixes.
I don't know what the devil it is, but I play all sorts of games and have no problems with them at all. And in every single case there is someone stomping their feet and yelling themselves blue about what a terrible, buggy mess that game is.
Kids today.
Ahhhhhhhh, but u have a solution - Zenimax should provide good ui and get rid of addons, i already mentioned it - quite a few times.
But no, lets harp on how "noone is looking for a solution".
They said they are "making improvements" for console ui, and PC ui IS console UI. So yeah.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Customisable ui is good, opinionated fixed ui design is bad. There are plenty of ui mods, you pick what you want and go.
Yea, but the you get blamed for using addons, by certain people.
That doesn't make sense, you get blamed for what?
Read the thread, they claim poor performace because of addons and you shouldnt use any and its all your fault.
Its not true, but you still get the blame ;P
Addons do cause problems - lots of them. If the point is to fix issues that someone has it's really the first thing to try.
On the other hand, if the point is to attack a game that you don't like, then you're not looking for fixes.
I don't know what the devil it is, but I play all sorts of games and have no problems with them at all. And in every single case there is someone stomping their feet and yelling themselves blue about what a terrible, buggy mess that game is.
Kids today.
Ahhhhhhhh, but u have a solution - Zenimax should provide good ui and get rid of addons, i already mentioned it - quite a few times.
But no, lets harp on how "noone is looking for a solution".
They said they are "making improvements" for console ui, and PC ui IS console UI. So yeah.
I'm good with your suggestion. The current UI is great. Let's get rid of the addons.
Ahhhhhhhh, but u have a solution - Zenimax should provide good ui and get rid of addons, i already mentioned it - quite a few times.
But no, lets harp on how "noone is looking for a solution".
They said they are "making improvements" for console ui, and PC ui IS console UI. So yeah.
I'm good with your suggestion. The current UI is great. Let's get rid of the addons.
Malabooga's been beating that drum throughout the thread. Claiming addons are necessary due to a bad UI is a load of disingenuous rubbish, and I'm sure he knows it.
All addons are optional. They are not necessary to play, or achieve anything in the game. Ever.
The default interface is perfectly functional, and provides everything one needs to play the game. Note the emphasis on 'needs'. Wanting additional functionality, and needing it are two different things, and people aught to stop conflating the two.
I'm typically not a fan of add-ons. Never used them in WoW, or any other MMO that allowed them. The basic interface provides everything I need to know to play the game. In every case, I was able to play just fine, and was not hindered in any way.
I have, however, made an exception and installed a couple mods in ESO which reduce, or even remove certain information from the game - namely quest and location markers. I wanted to play it as a pure adventurer, discovering people and places on my own. Even at *that*, the rest of the interface provided all the info I needed to play the game.
My one gripe with the interface is the long-list style inventory. I'm not a fan of that. But then I didn't like that in Skyrim, either, and ESO's interface is obviously inspired by that game.
Overall, though, any time I see people start to talk about how you "need" some addon or another to make a game playable, I just roll my eyes. We're in a time where most MMORPGs already spell out just about everything, leaving very little for players to figure out on their own. Yet, for some, even that little bit is too much, and they need addons to provide the rest. Sad.
Lack of subscription did not make it less boring. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Not entirely true... Just got (re)started myself and the whole intro has been tuned down a lot -> it's more boring than it already was. Now I'm back in the living world and about to head out. Hope it's not as bad as the intro is now...
Lack of subscription did not make it less boring. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Not entirely true... Just got (re)started myself and the whole intro has been tuned down a lot -> it's more boring than it already was. Now I'm back in the living world and about to head out. Hope it's not as bad as the intro is now...
Interesting. I rather like the new/revamped intro. Not going to go into specifics, as it might be a spoiler for others. But yeah, I think many of the changes are quite well done.
Just goes to show, different people are going to enjoy different things.
Ahhhhhhhh, but u have a solution - Zenimax should provide good ui and get rid of addons, i already mentioned it - quite a few times.
But no, lets harp on how "noone is looking for a solution".
They said they are "making improvements" for console ui, and PC ui IS console UI. So yeah.
I'm good with your suggestion. The current UI is great. Let's get rid of the addons.
Malabooga's been beating that drum throughout the thread. Claiming addons are necessary due to a bad UI is a load of disingenuous rubbish, and I'm sure he knows it.
All addons are optional. They are not necessary to play, or achieve anything in the game. Ever.
The default interface is perfectly functional, and provides everything one needs to play the game. Note the emphasis on 'needs'. Wanting additional functionality, and needing it are two different things, and people aught to stop conflating the two.
I'm typically not a fan of add-ons. Never used them in WoW, or any other MMO that allowed them. The basic interface provides everything I need to know to play the game. In every case, I was able to play just fine, and was not hindered in any way.
I have, however, made an exception and installed a couple mods in ESO which reduce, or even remove certain information from the game - namely quest and location markers. I wanted to play it as a pure adventurer, discovering people and places on my own. Even at *that*, the rest of the interface provided all the info I needed to play the game.
My one gripe with the interface is the long-list style inventory. I'm not a fan of that. But then I didn't like that in Skyrim, either, and ESO's interface is obviously inspired by that game.
Overall, though, any time I see people start to talk about how you "need" some addon or another to make a game playable, I just roll my eyes. We're in a time where most MMORPGs already spell out just about everything, leaving very little for players to figure out on their own. Yet, for some, even that little bit is too much, and they need addons to provide the rest. Sad.
Of course you dont need it, you also dont need toilet in the house, you can just go outside and do your business, its perfectly functional way of doing your business.
Of course you dont need it, you also dont need toilet in the house, you can just go outside and do your business, its perfectly functional way of doing your business.
You absolutely could. And I'm sure in some parts of the world, they still do just that on a regular basis. When folks are out camping and there's no bathroom or port-a-potty nearby, they absolutely do go right out in nature.
A toilet, in the privacy of a bathroom isn't a necessity. Back before indoor bathrooms, or even out-houses were created, people had to go outdoors. And they were perfectly capable of doing so. No one was having trouble taking a dump because toilets didn't exist yet.
So ultimately, using a toilet is a convenience. Not a necessity.
However, going by your logic... One would conclude that people wanting to use toilets means there's something flawed with nature/outdoors, or that people are/were unable to do so.
In other words, your analogy makes absolutely no sense, Malabooga.
May I make a suggestion?
Next time you feel like you have a clever retort, don't immediately click on the 'reply' button to start typing away giddily. Stop, and actually think it through first. Your posts might make a lot more sense if you do. Might.
Not sure how this isn't a fault in the game itself. Add-ons aren't separate programs per se, they're text files the game code parses and acts upon. If the game's parser is properly designed, it should be difficult to impossible for an add-on to even intentionally cause the game any meaningful issues, let alone have add-ons, as you seem to be claiming, routinely causing issues.
Granted, some performance hit is inevitable and a perfect parser is not going to happen, but blaming problems on add-ons as if that somehow not a game issue doesn't really work.
Add-ons can't do anything the game parser doesn't let them do. Unless you're claiming malicious intent, which honestly wouldn't change things by much, if add-ons are causing "lots" of problems, it's not the add-ons themselves that are the root issue.
Not sure how this isn't a fault in the game itself. Add-ons aren't separate programs per se, they're text files the game code parses and acts upon. If the game's parser is properly designed, it should be difficult to impossible for an add-on to even intentionally cause the game any meaningful issues, let alone have add-ons, as you seem to be claiming, routinely causing issues.
Granted, some performance hit is inevitable and a perfect parser is not going to happen, but blaming problems on add-ons as if that somehow not a game issue doesn't really work.
Add-ons can't do anything the game parser doesn't let them do. Unless you're claiming malicious intent, which honestly wouldn't change things by much, if add-ons are causing "lots" of problems, it's not the add-ons themselves that are the root issue.
Because code can be poorly written, but still be "valid" as far as the parser/interpreter is concerned. The interpreter's job isn't to distinguish "poorly written code" from "well-written code", nor whether it might be detrimental to the stability/performance of the host application. Its only concern is if the code is properly formed for it to do its job.... which is interpret and execute.
I've seen poorly made addons cause issues in other MMOs as well. It's part of why I stopped using them, myself. I've seen others encounter issues which disappeared when addons were removed, disabled, or otherwise fixed, as well. So, it's not like this is some alien, unheard of thing.
Again, it must be a sign of ESO doing well to see people coming out of the woodwork, looking for any angle they can to bash the game. Some people just can't seem to tolerate it when a game they don't like is doing well... and I'll never understand it.
Of course you dont need it, you also dont need toilet in the house, you can just go outside and do your business, its perfectly functional way of doing your business.
You absolutely could. And I'm sure in some parts of the world, they still do just that on a regular basis. When folks are out camping and there's no bathroom or port-a-potty nearby, they absolutely do go right out in nature.
A toilet, in the privacy of a bathroom isn't a necessity. Back before indoor bathrooms, or even out-houses were created, people had to go outdoors. And they were perfectly capable of doing so. No one was having trouble taking a dump because toilets didn't exist yet.
So ultimately, using a toilet is a convenience. Not a necessity.
However, going by your logic... One would conclude that people wanting to use toilets means there's something flawed with nature/outdoors, or that people are/were unable to do so.
In other words, your analogy makes absolutely no sense, Malabooga.
May I make a suggestion?
Next time you feel like you have a clever retort, don't immediately click on the 'reply' button to start typing away giddily. Stop, and actually think it through first. Your posts might make a lot more sense if you do. Might.
Ohh lookie, someone rant of needing or not needing toilet in a house.
I dont know where you live, but this kind of discussions were held 2 centuries ago where i live.
Its ironic really.
And yes, THERE IS a REAL problem with people doing their business on the streets, squares, all over. Even if it is perfectly functional.
You did your best, but unfortunately, its not enough.
Ohh lookie, someone rant of needing or not needing toilet in a house.
...
Seriously?
You brought the analogy about toilets and defecating outside into the discussion. Not me.
I was responding to your analogy, explaining why it's flawed.
What is wrong with you?
I dont know where you live, but this kind of discussions were held 2 centuries ago where i live.
Its ironic really.
And yes, THERE IS a REAL problem with people doing their business on the streets, squares, all over. Even if it is perfectly functional.
You did your best, but unfortunately, its not enough.
Oooookay then.
So, you go off on an analogy about toilets and defecating. I explain why your analogy is flawed. You accuse me of "ranting" about it (completely missing the point in the process)... and then proceed to continue talking about it anyway.
Seriously, are you drunk?
I feel like I'm talking to a drunk person.
I don't even know what the hell you're talking about anymore at this point. I'm not so sure you do, either. You've just wandered off into the weeds, babbling randomly.
Either way, I'll let others scratch their heads trying to understand you. I'd rather stick to sane discussions with coherent people.
Of course you dont need it, you also dont need toilet in the house, you can just go outside and do your business, its perfectly functional way of doing your business.
You absolutely could. And I'm sure in some parts of the world, they still do just that on a regular basis. When folks are out camping and there's no bathroom or port-a-potty nearby, they absolutely do go right out in nature.
A toilet, in the privacy of a bathroom isn't a necessity. Back before indoor bathrooms, or even out-houses were created, people had to go outdoors. And they were perfectly capable of doing so. No one was having trouble taking a dump because toilets didn't exist yet.
So ultimately, using a toilet is a convenience. Not a necessity.
However, going by your logic... One would conclude that people wanting to use toilets means there's something flawed with nature/outdoors, or that people are/were unable to do so.
In other words, your analogy makes absolutely no sense, Malabooga.
May I make a suggestion?
Next time you feel like you have a clever retort, don't immediately click on the 'reply' button to start typing away giddily. Stop, and actually think it through first. Your posts might make a lot more sense if you do. Might.
Ohh lookie, someone rant of needing or not needing toilet in a house.
I dont know where you live, but this kind of discussions were held 2 centuries ago where i live.
Its ironic really.
And yes, THERE IS a REAL problem with people doing their business on the streets, squares, all over. Even if it is perfectly functional.
You did your best, but unfortunately, its not enough.
Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure what your deal is. You've been a member of the site for about a year and have twice the posts that I do and I've been here since 2007. Your points make little since and it's clear you get off on just trying to create argumentative posts. Maybe spend more time actually playing games and less trying to fight forum wars and post when you actually have something intelligent to say and people might consider listening. I'm just going to block your troll posts, because that's what they are.
Ohh lookie, someone rant of needing or not needing toilet in a house.
...
Seriously?
You brought the analogy about toilets and defecating outside into the discussion. Not me.
I was responding to your analogy, explaining why it's flawed.
What is wrong with you?
I dont know where you live, but this kind of discussions were held 2 centuries ago where i live.
Its ironic really.
And yes, THERE IS a REAL problem with people doing their business on the streets, squares, all over. Even if it is perfectly functional.
You did your best, but unfortunately, its not enough.
Oooookay then.
So, you go off on an analogy about toilets and defecating. I explain why your analogy is flawed. You accuse me of "ranting" about it (completely missing the point in the process)... and then proceed to continue talking about it anyway.
Seriously, are you drunk?
I feel like I'm talking to a drunk person.
I don't even know what the hell you're talking about anymore at this point. I'm not so sure you do, either. You've just wandered off into the weeds, babbling randomly.
Either way, I'll let others scratch their heads trying to understand you. I'd rather stick to sane discussions with coherent people.
Dude, you CANNOT get building permit and usage permit, without having sewer system in a house/building.
Thats the LAW, that was passed on by much smarter people than you. In fact if you go on doing your business in the street you will be FINED, EVEN is its "perfectly functional way of doing things" its NOT acceptable.
And i know majority of people do understand, even this site had and ARTICLE of 5 must have addons, and ESOUI is all the evidence you will ever need.
lol, fanbois, crux of the problem
Even SWTOR reworked its "perfectly functional" launch UI few months after launch. Even ESO is reworking UI for consoles, and PC UI IS console UI.
Originally posted by sumdumguy1 I am glad to see the reputation of this site is still in tact.
Have to laugh at what some of these kids post i have not been stuck by lighting so nobody in the world has been struck by lightning attitude.
Just check posts that these guys do spend all day arguing instead of playing said game.
I like the game it's not bad could be better they need to do a revamp on alchemy though, it is hard to tell the diff between looted potions and player created, also they don't get hireling's etiher.
Originally posted by sumdumguy1 I am glad to see the reputation of this site is still in tact.
Have to laugh at what some of these kids post i have not been stuck by lighting so nobody in the world has been struck by lightning attitude.
Yes, yes... people whose opinions or feedback you disagree with are automatically "kids". Of course. Because adults would automatically agree with you, right?
Also, just a thought - when people can easily skim back through a thread, to see what others have actually said regarding bugs in ESO... I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by lying about it.
Just check posts that these guys do spend all day arguing instead of playing said game.
Right... because people who actually enjoy a game hanging out on its forums (you know.. when they're unable to play, but have access to the web) and discussing/debating aspects of it... is just crazy.
Also, I'd hardly describe anyone in this thread as "spending all day arguing". Is there any argument you're capable of making without belittling someone, or exaggerating something in the process?
Gave it another shot and same result..........meh. I have played every class now and tried many different skills/weps, just can't find anything that feels fun to me. I don't enjoy any of it. I don't enjoy the terrible UI, the terrible inventory system (a game in itself I rather not waste time on), the clunky and awkward combat, an open world which somehow still feels claustrophobic (can't explain that one), the skills just don't feel like they meld together....and it just is not fun. I tried, and tried again, then again. This will probably be the last try.
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And yet somehow it will run just fine for 99.9% of the world. Weird, eh?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Funny how that works right? My brother just patched from last version tonight while a friend just did a new install on his new SSD. Both we're playing late this evening with no issues. Oh, and the reinstall was through steam.
Damn ZOS! I bet they are some how racially profiling.
Only letting khajiit actually patch now...
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Except that there are people doing new installs. Many of them, in fact, if the number of new players I see showing up and asking questions in chat is any indication. Seems to have worked just fine for them. Since they're, ya know, in game and playing.
A guild member just came back to game yesterday, having reinstalled from scratch, and they didn't report any problems.
Everyone's using the same code, running the same program/patcher.
Many, hell even most people are getting it to go just fine.
Some others aren't.
If it's working for most/many people, then the patcher is doing what it's supposed to do... or is at least trying to.
In the case of those where it's not doing what it's supposed to be, there is something preventing it from doing so on those specific systems.
I've had the same issue happen to me with other games, where a file couldn't be created (Anarchy Online comes to mind). It was also during the patching process in that case. The conflict was with something on my system. Once I fixed that issue, on my system, the patching continued just fine.
The point is... a program being unable to do something it's trying to, isn't proof that the program itself is the problem. It takes two to tango. The program needs to be able to do that thing, unhindered. Or, you know.. it won't work.
So, your continued attempt to lay all blame for your friend's woes at Zeni's feet falls short again. I admire your tenacity, though.
For the next round, maybe you can claim to also be an Electrical Engineer, and try it from that angle? Maybe an OS developer at Microsoft? Just giving suggestions.
I wish this site had a "like" button.
I wonder if it's too late to put in a feature request for the new website/forums?
Addons do cause problems - lots of them. If the point is to fix issues that someone has it's really the first thing to try.
On the other hand, if the point is to attack a game that you don't like, then you're not looking for fixes.
I don't know what the devil it is, but I play all sorts of games and have no problems with them at all. And in every single case there is someone stomping their feet and yelling themselves blue about what a terrible, buggy mess that game is.
Kids today.
Exactly.
And it's ridiculously easy to spot the ones that don't really want help but just want to throw tantrums and flame: when you try to help by offering solutions they call that "getting blamed."
I've been building and overclocking the crap out of PCs for decades now. Anyone who does that quickly develops a humble "what the fuck did I do wrong?" attitude as the first thing you think about when something isn't working right. You learn to troubleshoot your own problems without throwing immature public hissy fits.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Ahhhhhhhh, but u have a solution - Zenimax should provide good ui and get rid of addons, i already mentioned it - quite a few times.
But no, lets harp on how "noone is looking for a solution".
They said they are "making improvements" for console ui, and PC ui IS console UI. So yeah.
I'm good with your suggestion. The current UI is great. Let's get rid of the addons.
Malabooga's been beating that drum throughout the thread. Claiming addons are necessary due to a bad UI is a load of disingenuous rubbish, and I'm sure he knows it.
All addons are optional. They are not necessary to play, or achieve anything in the game. Ever.
The default interface is perfectly functional, and provides everything one needs to play the game. Note the emphasis on 'needs'. Wanting additional functionality, and needing it are two different things, and people aught to stop conflating the two.
I'm typically not a fan of add-ons. Never used them in WoW, or any other MMO that allowed them. The basic interface provides everything I need to know to play the game. In every case, I was able to play just fine, and was not hindered in any way.
I have, however, made an exception and installed a couple mods in ESO which reduce, or even remove certain information from the game - namely quest and location markers. I wanted to play it as a pure adventurer, discovering people and places on my own. Even at *that*, the rest of the interface provided all the info I needed to play the game.
My one gripe with the interface is the long-list style inventory. I'm not a fan of that. But then I didn't like that in Skyrim, either, and ESO's interface is obviously inspired by that game.
Overall, though, any time I see people start to talk about how you "need" some addon or another to make a game playable, I just roll my eyes. We're in a time where most MMORPGs already spell out just about everything, leaving very little for players to figure out on their own. Yet, for some, even that little bit is too much, and they need addons to provide the rest. Sad.
Not entirely true... Just got (re)started myself and the whole intro has been tuned down a lot -> it's more boring than it already was. Now I'm back in the living world and about to head out. Hope it's not as bad as the intro is now...
Interesting. I rather like the new/revamped intro. Not going to go into specifics, as it might be a spoiler for others. But yeah, I think many of the changes are quite well done.
Just goes to show, different people are going to enjoy different things.
Of course you dont need it, you also dont need toilet in the house, you can just go outside and do your business, its perfectly functional way of doing your business.
You absolutely could. And I'm sure in some parts of the world, they still do just that on a regular basis. When folks are out camping and there's no bathroom or port-a-potty nearby, they absolutely do go right out in nature.
A toilet, in the privacy of a bathroom isn't a necessity. Back before indoor bathrooms, or even out-houses were created, people had to go outdoors. And they were perfectly capable of doing so. No one was having trouble taking a dump because toilets didn't exist yet.
So ultimately, using a toilet is a convenience. Not a necessity.
However, going by your logic... One would conclude that people wanting to use toilets means there's something flawed with nature/outdoors, or that people are/were unable to do so.
In other words, your analogy makes absolutely no sense, Malabooga.
May I make a suggestion?
Next time you feel like you have a clever retort, don't immediately click on the 'reply' button to start typing away giddily. Stop, and actually think it through first. Your posts might make a lot more sense if you do. Might.
Not sure how this isn't a fault in the game itself. Add-ons aren't separate programs per se, they're text files the game code parses and acts upon. If the game's parser is properly designed, it should be difficult to impossible for an add-on to even intentionally cause the game any meaningful issues, let alone have add-ons, as you seem to be claiming, routinely causing issues.
Granted, some performance hit is inevitable and a perfect parser is not going to happen, but blaming problems on add-ons as if that somehow not a game issue doesn't really work.
Add-ons can't do anything the game parser doesn't let them do. Unless you're claiming malicious intent, which honestly wouldn't change things by much, if add-ons are causing "lots" of problems, it's not the add-ons themselves that are the root issue.
Because code can be poorly written, but still be "valid" as far as the parser/interpreter is concerned. The interpreter's job isn't to distinguish "poorly written code" from "well-written code", nor whether it might be detrimental to the stability/performance of the host application. Its only concern is if the code is properly formed for it to do its job.... which is interpret and execute.
I've seen poorly made addons cause issues in other MMOs as well. It's part of why I stopped using them, myself. I've seen others encounter issues which disappeared when addons were removed, disabled, or otherwise fixed, as well. So, it's not like this is some alien, unheard of thing.
Again, it must be a sign of ESO doing well to see people coming out of the woodwork, looking for any angle they can to bash the game. Some people just can't seem to tolerate it when a game they don't like is doing well... and I'll never understand it.
Ohh lookie, someone rant of needing or not needing toilet in a house.
I dont know where you live, but this kind of discussions were held 2 centuries ago where i live.
Its ironic really.
And yes, THERE IS a REAL problem with people doing their business on the streets, squares, all over. Even if it is perfectly functional.
You did your best, but unfortunately, its not enough.
Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure what your deal is. You've been a member of the site for about a year and have twice the posts that I do and I've been here since 2007. Your points make little since and it's clear you get off on just trying to create argumentative posts. Maybe spend more time actually playing games and less trying to fight forum wars and post when you actually have something intelligent to say and people might consider listening. I'm just going to block your troll posts, because that's what they are.
Dude, you CANNOT get building permit and usage permit, without having sewer system in a house/building.
Thats the LAW, that was passed on by much smarter people than you. In fact if you go on doing your business in the street you will be FINED, EVEN is its "perfectly functional way of doing things" its NOT acceptable.
And i know majority of people do understand, even this site had and ARTICLE of 5 must have addons, and ESOUI is all the evidence you will ever need.
lol, fanbois, crux of the problem
Even SWTOR reworked its "perfectly functional" launch UI few months after launch. Even ESO is reworking UI for consoles, and PC UI IS console UI.
So yeah, even Zenimax disagrees with you.
Have to laugh at what some of these kids post i have not been stuck by lighting so nobody in the world has been struck by lightning attitude.
Just check posts that these guys do spend all day arguing instead of playing said game.
I like the game it's not bad could be better they need to do a revamp on alchemy though, it is hard to tell the diff between looted potions and player created, also they don't get hireling's etiher.