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QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM

"Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,400
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    Huh?

    Philosophy of MMO Game Design

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Look at the Crowfall ads that have been running on this site lately.  They're a link to Kickstarter.  And Crowfall is hardly the first to do that.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802

    Lol I like this thread. I'm just so sick of Kickstarters myself.

     

    Having said so I have little interest in Crowfall but in comparison with some other games, this one makes a rather tame and decent impression.

    Harbinger of Fools
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    If keep the site up I am fine with it, but us gamer is the problem not the site trying to get by, we throw money at any game if they tell us a story even if the game don't become good or if it's does, But a lot placing see this way of ads on getting the game knowed then people will throw money at it then it never stop.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504

    "Sir we've raised a reasonable amount from our kickstarter campaign so far.  In fact the average player who views our kickstarter provides $15 in funding.  This is more than the $2 per click it would cost to get people to view our kickstarter page.  A smart way to raise additional money towards our goals would be to purchase those ads, which net out $13 in investment revenue.  Our only limit right now is that not enough players know about us."

    "No."

    "Wait, no?!  Why?"

    "I've been reading the forums and Quizzical just doesn't like it."

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    Look at the top of this very web site right now.  There's an ad for Crowfall.  If you click on it, it takes you to a Kickstarter page asking for money.

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    but the only way people will know they exist is to advertise......or do you want to keep it a secret only spread through word of mouth?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    I think there are too many people micro-managing the ethics and methods of Kickstarter and Early Access programs while in the meantime they buy into Pre-Release games like Evolve.

     

    It amazes and frustrates me at the same time.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    Look at the top of this very web site right now.  There's an ad for Crowfall.  If you click on it, it takes you to a Kickstarter page asking for money.

    And?

    Every other ad takes you to a page that asking for money.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Read my edit analogy... I'm more focused on the "poor starving artist" KS nature and I think Quiz is too,

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Pre-order games you have a release date and by that point tried an open beta. Early access means you put out money and normally get to start playing so in both cases you got something for your money. Kickstarters, pay now, get nothing now. No release date and matter of fact, you have no way of knowing if the game will ever release. Only 30% of Kickstarter games have released when they said they would and no Kickstarter MMO has released yet. So yes, I think there is a difference. 

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094

     

    Have been weighing my contribution to this kickstarter since its inception.

     

    Will likely get the $250 since it comes with a Physical Collector's edition as well as -- for all intents and purposes -- a lifetime subscription to their game.  Plus the other benefits from it and previous tiers.

     

    I'm a sucker for the "good deals" this unproved game is providing me.  Even though I'm mainly a PvE person these days.

     

    Though as a whole, if it both provides a cheaper version and supports the game's development, I'm for it.  Marketing will also help with this, no doubt.

     

    When and if it comes out, I won't be all whiny when it doesn't live up to my expectations, as it's a risk / reward thing... and they provide enough benefits for me to believe it was worth it in the long run.  The exception being if it doesn't even come out.

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF. They said they would make it but want to avoid aggresive investors/publishers if they can.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    And are you even aware how many people daily out money in stocks/fonds on nothing but promise of interest but with quite high risk of losing everyithing and absolutely no promises? Seems not.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    How weird! A game that you defend with all the fervor of the fanboism you're always ascribing to others! Well, at least it's nice to see that you can sometimes like and not hate,

     

    But yeah, when you're portraying yourself as pinching pennies to fund "stretch goals," champagne, caviar and filet mignon consumption shouldn't really be flaunted... and neither should advertising.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Read my edit analogy... I'm more focused on the "poor starving artist" KS nature and I think Quiz is too,

    So what is starting to happen in Early Access is what I had predicted about a year ago. 

    AAA companies are going to start to get smell of success and will start to scam

    Early Access games will be released for a higher price and 'earlier'. The best days of Early Access might be fading away.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • vgamervgamer Member Posts: 195
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF. They said they would make it but want to avoid aggresive investors/publishers if they can.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    And are you even aware how many people daily out money in stocks/fonds on nothing but promise of interest but with quite high risk of losing everyithing and absolutely no promises? Seems not.

    It's still begging though. They ask you to hand over money, trusting their blue eyes and blonde hair.  Check the definition of begging and you might be in for a shock.

    Also, it does seem kind of strange to put an ad for a kickstarter. But knowing the people here on this site, this might actually be a golden move.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Read my edit analogy... I'm more focused on the "poor starving artist" KS nature and I think Quiz is too,

    So what is starting to happen in Early Access is what I had predicted about a year ago. 

    AAA companies are going to start to get smell of success and will start to scam

    Early Access games will be released for a higher price and 'earlier'. The best days of Early Access might be fading away.

    Well I think Star Citizen already made a mockery out of the whole KS idea anyway with their prodigious AAA level funding and the additional sale of ships.

     

    KS, in its purest form, is meant to be a method to fund "labors of love" that would not otherwise get funding and some of that continues to happen, But we knew that wouldn't last long before the less scrupulous (Greed Monger where are thou?) and the ones who use it as just another revenue stream got into the act.

     

    It's why we can't have nice things,

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

    It is very odd

     

    However! Kickstarters and Early Access actually works extreemly well for the customer despite the fact that I completely agree that logically it should not.

     

    Besides..is this example any worse than a pre-order?

    Read my edit analogy... I'm more focused on the "poor starving artist" KS nature and I think Quiz is too,

    So what is starting to happen in Early Access is what I had predicted about a year ago. 

    AAA companies are going to start to get smell of success and will start to scam

    Early Access games will be released for a higher price and 'earlier'. The best days of Early Access might be fading away.

    Well I think Star Citizen already made a mockery out of the whole KS idea anyway with their prodigious AAA level funding and the additional sale of ships.

     

    KS, in its purest form, is meant to be a method to fund "labors of love" that would not otherwise get funding and some of that continues to happen, But we knew that wouldn't last long before the less scrupulous (Greed Monger where are thou?) and the ones who use it as just another revenue stream got into the act.

     

    It's why we can't have nice things,

    its still too early to say if Star Citizen was a bad thing. If the game ever gets completed and if the game is amazing as it appears they are trying to make it then all who invested get what they hoped for.

    Now personally I think SC is highly questionable, he tends to always under estimate and he seems to be better at marketing more than anything else.

     

    HOWEVER...this still pales in comparision to what has been happening in the traditional AAA market. 

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Look at the Crowfall ads that have been running on this site lately.  They're a link to Kickstarter.  And Crowfall is hardly the first to do that.

    In all fairness, Crowfall doesn't have any KS money at the moment. There's also no proof what their intended use of the money is. Could be that they're planning on creating a human trafficking ring. 

     

    Either way, it's a much appreciated break from League of Angels. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    How weird! A game that you defend with all the fervor of the fanboism you're always ascribing to others! Well, at least it's nice to see that you can sometimes like and not hate,

     

    But yeah, when you're portraying yourself as pinching pennies to fund "stretch goals," champagne, caviar and filet mignon consumption shouldn't really be flaunted... and neither should advertising.

    Fanboism?

    Its absurd that you called every ad in existance "begging"

    Zenimax are also begging when they advertise right? Its very fishy, company that supposedly made ton of money on ES is BEGGING for money to play ESO

    them beggars are EVERYWHERE!

    But hey, its your "opinion" lol

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    How weird! A game that you defend with all the fervor of the fanboism you're always ascribing to others! Well, at least it's nice to see that you can sometimes like and not hate,

     

    But yeah, when you're portraying yourself as pinching pennies to fund "stretch goals," champagne, caviar and filet mignon consumption shouldn't really be flaunted... and neither should advertising.

    Fanboism?

    Its absurd that you called every ad in existance "begging"

    Zenimax are also begging when they advertise right? Its very fishy, company that supposedly made ton of money on ES is BEGGING for money to play ESO

    them beggars are EVERYWHERE!

    But hey, its your "opinion" lol

    Don't forget WoW. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    "Please give us money so that we can buy more ads in order to raise more money."

    I understand why they do it, as with rare exceptions, you have to advertise a product to get people to buy it.  And I certainly don't blame this site for taking the money for ads that are undeniably gaming-related.  But that doesn't mean I have to like this use of kickstarter.

    posts like this really really really really really need a specific example.

     

    are you just making things up?

    It feels true so it must be true? that kind of thing

    I get what he's saying: in an environment where they're trying to make people believe that there is an extra $100,000 needed in order to have one type or server ruleset at release (e.g. "the infected") it does seem odd that they're right in there advertising with the non-KS big boys... unless you think advertising is free, doesn't it seem weird to you?

     

    I mean... there's that homeless pan-handler at the corner asking for money and he's somewhat credible because of the way he looks. Now imagine the same pan-handler taking out a 1/4 page add in the newspaper telling peiple what corner he'll be pan-handling at :)

    And?

    So you should now provide example of how to attract/expose more people to your product other than advertising.

    They are not begging for money, they all had a sccessful careers until they decided to drop them and go on making CF.

    Project has been funded on day 3. More money means more stuff. And i wouldnt mind if they bought bottle of nice chapaigne to celebrate their KS campaign end.

    How weird! A game that you defend with all the fervor of the fanboism you're always ascribing to others! Well, at least it's nice to see that you can sometimes like and not hate,

     

    But yeah, when you're portraying yourself as pinching pennies to fund "stretch goals," champagne, caviar and filet mignon consumption shouldn't really be flaunted... and neither should advertising.

    Fanboism?

    Its absurd that you called every ad in existance "begging"

    Zenimax are also begging when they advertise right? Its very fishy, company that supposedly made ton of money on ES is BEGGING for money to play ESO

    them beggars are EVERYWHERE!

    But hey, its your "opinion" lol

    Don't forget WoW. 

    Oh, god, yeah, those guys advertise so much, they are biggest BEGGARS EVAR!

    They are literally begging on every corner. Its like whole network of beggars really

    But thats logic for you, the more money you make, the bigger beggar you are

    :)

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