Addressed and answered. The amount of money raised and the amount of time that has passed makes what he said THEN and what he said a couple weeks ago completely different.
I don't remember "minimum viable product" being in the original kickstarter pitch, or do you think they'd have raised 57 dollars and half a biscuit, had it been...
what he said THEN and what he said a couple weeks ago completely different.
So when people stick to their position throughout the development of a game you claim that its all "completely different"?
Fascinating.
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I'm with @Adjuvant1 and @rodarin ; on this one. I don't remember ever seeing a minimum viable product listed in the Kickstarter or really anywhere until he brought it up a few weeks ago. Before then it was this is going to be the BDSSE. Spin it how you will but Chris Roberts is your biggest enemy when it comes to white knighting
what he said THEN and what he said a couple weeks ago completely different.
So when people stick to their position throughout the development of a game you claim that its all "completely different"?
Fascinating.
Have fun
I'm with @Adjuvant1 and @rodarin ; on this one. I don't remember ever seeing a minimum viable product listed in the Kickstarter or really anywhere until he brought it up a few weeks ago. Before then it was this is going to be the BDSSE. Spin it how you will but Chris Roberts is your biggest enemy when it comes to white knighting
nah he used it in some obscure video blog that was linked. But like I said at that point it surely didnt have the same meaning then as it does now. I suspect he figured they might raise 3 or 4 million in his wildest dreams, release something and THEN get the type of money theyre boasting now.
Thats the irony and one of the other points I made, these guys bragging about how much this game shows in money gathered is the main reason nothing has been released yet and isnt really something to brag about.
what he said THEN and what he said a couple weeks ago completely different.
So when people stick to their position throughout the development of a game you claim that its all "completely different"?
Fascinating.
Have fun
I'm with @Adjuvant1 and @rodarin ; on this one. I don't remember ever seeing a minimum viable product listed in the Kickstarter or really anywhere until he brought it up a few weeks ago. Before then it was this is going to be the BDSSE. Spin it how you will but Chris Roberts is your biggest enemy when it comes to white knighting
nah he used it in some obscure video blog that was linked. But like I said at that point it surely didnt have the same meaning then as it does now. I suspect he figured they might raise 3 or 4 million in his wildest dreams, release something and THEN get the type of money theyre boasting now.
Thats the irony and one of the other points I made, these guys bragging about how much this game shows in money gathered is the main reason nothing has been released yet and isnt really something to brag about.
Why release a game when you can milk people out of thousands of dollars for promises? If they release a game they know the cash cow will fall over dead because it will be nothing like they promised for many backers.
Have to ask but why are you guys still here, going round and round in circles, bringing up the same stuff over and over and over when it is obvious you will never play the game, you hope it will fail and with every breath do all you can to spin every single thing you can grasp into the end of everything.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
Have to ask but why are you guys still here, going round and round in circles, bringing up the same stuff over and over and over when it is obvious you will never play the game, you hope it will fail and with every breath do all you can to spin every single thing you can grasp into the end of everything.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
Because this is a discussion forum? Besides the pro side does exactly what you just said the con side does so I guess we are all creepers deep down.
Have to ask but why are you guys still here, going round and round in circles, bringing up the same stuff over and over and over when it is obvious you will never play the game, you hope it will fail and with every breath do all you can to spin every single thing you can grasp into the end of everything.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
There has to be SOME monitoring to the FREE publicity this game gets here that is generally disseminated with glaring inaccuracies if not outright lies.
While we (critics) have our negative viewpoints they arent always given as factual. The whole 64 bit back and forth in the other thread showed with out a doubt what I said was accurate and what the PR guy said was completely false. Also showed he really didnt know what the hell he was talking about in that case either.
I havent said much about it until recently when these exaggerations started up again. But youre right there really isnt anything new going on, but every chance the PR guy gets to hype something inconsequential and try to pass it off as some great coup some sort of accountability should be had.
Have to ask but why are you guys still here, going round and round in circles, bringing up the same stuff over and over and over when it is obvious you will never play the game, you hope it will fail and with every breath do all you can to spin every single thing you can grasp into the end of everything.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
Have to ask but why are you guys still here, going round and round in circles, bringing up the same stuff over and over and over when it is obvious you will never play the game, you hope it will fail and with every breath do all you can to spin every single thing you can grasp into the end of everything.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
Hehe. This has got to be the creepiest, most dysfunctional sewing circle I've ever encountered on a forum, ever, and that's saying something considering the competition of other sites like somethingawful, etc. But at the same time, these DS groupies are very entertaining. So I for one hope they don't stop keep on keepin' on because I'd miss giggling over their latest posts with my daily morning coffee.
Hehe. This has got to be the creepiest, most dysfunctional sewing circle I've ever encountered on a forum, ever, and that's saying something considering the competition of other sites like somethingawful, etc. But at the same time, these DS groupies are very entertaining. So I for one hope they don't stop keep on keepin' on because I'd miss giggling over their latest posts with my daily morning coffee.
If you want a real laugh go play the SC alpha and realize how much money has gone into it....
Hehe. This has got to be the creepiest, most dysfunctional sewing circle I've ever encountered on a forum, ever, and that's saying something considering the competition of other sites like somethingawful, etc. But at the same time, these DS groupies are very entertaining. So I for one hope they don't stop keep on keepin' on because I'd miss giggling over their latest posts with my daily morning coffee.
If you want a real laugh go play the SC alpha and realize how much money has gone into it....
There is nothing to realize, it's quite well advertised. It's right on their site. I'm not sure what the real laugh is but feel free to elaborate.
Hehe. This has got to be the creepiest, most dysfunctional sewing circle I've ever encountered on a forum, ever, and that's saying something considering the competition of other sites like somethingawful, etc. But at the same time, these DS groupies are very entertaining. So I for one hope they don't stop keep on keepin' on because I'd miss giggling over their latest posts with my daily morning coffee.
If you want a real laugh go play the SC alpha and realize how much money has gone into it....
There is nothing to realize, it's quite well advertised. It's right on their site. I'm not sure what the real laugh is but feel free to elaborate.
If you took that 'alpha' and put it in a vacuum and told people it was the Star Citizen alpha, a game that has had 110+ million dollars raised, 4.5+ years of development, made by a multi national entity with as many as 300 employees and was hyped as eventually becoming a genre changing project...they would laugh in your face.
I suspect most of the backers wouldnt believe you if you told them this was the SC alpha. They accept it now because it sort of sunk in. But if this was 'back in the old days' of 'leaked' NDA footage and 'early' alpha testing most of these guys would look at it and claim it was a hoax.
But because they know its not a hoax and it is exactly what it is then they have to rationalize it somehow.
But anyone who think what is available now is acceptable has a screw loose. But because they cant bring themselves to cope with reality they just go with the flow.
If you took that 'alpha' and put it in a vacuum and told people it was the Star Citizen alpha, a game that has had 110+ million dollars raised, 4.5+ years of development, made by a multi national entity with as many as 300 employees and was hyped as eventually becoming a genre changing project...they would laugh in your face.
I suspect most of the backers wouldnt believe you if you told them this was the SC alpha. They accept it now because it sort of sunk in. But if this was 'back in the old days' of 'leaked' NDA footage and 'early' alpha testing most of these guys would look at it and claim it was a hoax.
But because they know its not a hoax and it is exactly what it is then they have to rationalize it somehow.
But anyone who think what is available now is acceptable has a screw loose. But because they cant bring themselves to cope with reality they just go with the flow.
It's wrong to generalise because from my experience all of the people that I've talked and showed parts of Star Citizen have been interested and regularly ask me about it such is their interest that I've gathered enough recruits to earn me a fleet of ship's to play without spending a dime more.
[3:42] Q:
Drake ships do not have ejection seats, how does this square with the
perma-death concepts envisioned in ‘Death of a Spaceman’?
A: Drake
ships are a little like Russian military hardware: rugged, functional but
doesn’t necessarily have all the extras (like ejection seats) in order to offer
better value elsewhere (like bigger guns). While an ejection seat might allow
you to potentially escape, “Death of a Spaceman” means that even if you are
blown up with your ship you are instantly dead: you wake up in a med bay after
being patched up. However you can only do this a number of times before you old
character passes away and you have to move on to a new one. So Drake ships are
more risky but if you are aware of that you should still be able to get out and
EVA away.
[7:12] Q:
Will there be an event planned for Gamescom?
A: Due to
venue issues we won’t be doing the same “Big presentation” like we’ve done in
the past couple years, but instead we’ll have a booth on the show floor showing
off new stuff coming up for the game and having a playable build of the current
release as well as having pop up events, like the big garden event we’ve done
the last couple years where it’s meet and greet for the fans with developers
and such.
[9:30] Q:
Will you receive a notification if you are away from your locked ship and a
pirate is trying to disable the lock and loot your ship?
A: One of
the next stages is to put in security systems which partly come with item 2.0
stuff. With that is other levels of boarding mechanics to hack or blow open a
door, all in the stages of getting fleshed out and then get implemented. This would
also involve notification to your Mobiglass within a reasonable amount of
distance if you were, say EVAing somewhere else.
[11:11] Q:
Biggest development challenge preventing rudimentary versions of exploration,
cargo, mining and economy mechanics from being implemented in PU/PTU builds?
Can we get focused updates on this in the future?
A: 2.4
added persistence which we will be opening up and expanding on. 2.5 will
contain the outlaw base so there will be two factions and two spawning places.
Our other “big” focus is the full Stanton system, which will be about a billion
kilometres across, with procedurally generated planets. CryEngine was never
built to simulate so many object so we’ve been working on full rewrite of
everything in CryNetwork to get everything in place for the this and it is
scheduled for 2.7. Once we have that and some messaging and organisational
stuff which will be rolled out later this year we have the foundations to
accelerate cargo, mining, etc. Our goal is to get Stanton fleshed out to the
fidelity we want for all of Star Citizen: the “Pupil to Planet” level of
detail.
[17:48]Q:
Anything from the E3 expo that really amazed you? What do you think of how big
space games are now?
A: Everyone
seems to be doing space games now all the way up to mainstream titles like Call
of Duty: Infinite Warfare. Cool stuff with Mass Effect and Battlefield One.
Star Citizen FPS stuff in the works that we’ll see in the not too distant
future.
[19:22] Q:
Nyx still in the works? When will we see it?
A: Yes! The
landing area and environment is done, but we’re in the process now of
integrating it into the huge star system and how it works with planetary tech.
You should see it around 2.7 and ArcCorp won’t be in 2.7, but it won’t be long
for that so you won’t see loading screens anymore when visiting Nyx and ArcCorp
in the future and we’ll continue to build upon that from that. We’re working on
having all that come together by the end of this year.
[21:15] Q:
Will AI opponents have any aspect of self preservation?
A: Big AI
technical session in Frankfurt recently and they’re in the implementation stage
of the grand design. Going to unify AI and mission stuff into one system that
has different levels and scopes and knows how to talk amongst itself, which
will in turn allow things like self preservation and a more seemingly
intelligent AI.
[23:30] Q:
Will you eventually pass along the knowledge you gained where CryEngine is
concerned from SC’s development?
A: Absolutely.
I believe it’s important to share the knowledge that we’ve learned in order to
help the industry evolve and advance like it has in the past from other people
sharing what they’ve learned.
[25:30] Q:
Will Hangar Module and Universe Module be combined for better immersion? Ex:
Walking from your hangar into a space port and requisitioning a ship.
A: Yes,
100%. For him the goal is to get the game to a point where you’re not going to
the Hangar Module or ArcCorp as separate modules, it’ll all be one. Setup may
be slightly different than right now.
[26:58] Q:
Planned role for Vanduul harvesters now that planetary landings are in game
possibility.
A: We’ll
definitely have them planned to appear when the systems that Vanduul occupy or
threaten come into the bigger Star Citizen universe and the potential that the
procedural tech gives us is unparalleled compared to what we had originally
planned a couple years back. It’ll be very exciting the various scenarios
you’ll encounter down the road.“
"Star Citizen FPS stuff in the works that we’ll see in the not too distant future."
I laughed way to hard at that part and could only picture that line being fed to backers again and again before Roberts getting pissed off again and telling off backers that it's been in the game all along.
A special issue of "10 for the Chairman" on Star Citizen professions. The questions were chosen by direct subscriber voting. Tony Zurovec - Director of Persistent Universe Development - helps to answer the questions, with special emphasis on cargo handling and mining.
"Level Designers Andreas Johansson and Tobias Johansson (no relation)
from Foundry 42 DE will join host Jared Huckaby as they explore the
process of building Surface Outposts LIVE. "
Comments
Another topic that has been discussed before here on this subforum:
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/449593/minimum-viable-product/p1
Deja vu.
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But keep trying to spin it like you always do.
Fascinating.
Have fun
Thats the irony and one of the other points I made, these guys bragging about how much this game shows in money gathered is the main reason nothing has been released yet and isnt really something to brag about.
You guys are like that guy that gets rejected by a girl and continues to try and win their heart sending flowers, writing notes, waiting outside the house, writing poetry, following them to work, to the gym, to the cinema...
It is only a matter of time until you get told to stop being creepy, stop stalking and seek help....are we there yet?
While we (critics) have our negative viewpoints they arent always given as factual. The whole 64 bit back and forth in the other thread showed with out a doubt what I said was accurate and what the PR guy said was completely false. Also showed he really didnt know what the hell he was talking about in that case either.
I havent said much about it until recently when these exaggerations started up again. But youre right there really isnt anything new going on, but every chance the PR guy gets to hype something inconsequential and try to pass it off as some great coup some sort of accountability should be had.
There is nothing to realize, it's quite well advertised. It's right on their site. I'm not sure what the real laugh is but feel free to elaborate.
Crazkanuk
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I suspect most of the backers wouldnt believe you if you told them this was the SC alpha. They accept it now because it sort of sunk in. But if this was 'back in the old days' of 'leaked' NDA footage and 'early' alpha testing most of these guys would look at it and claim it was a hoax.
But because they know its not a hoax and it is exactly what it is then they have to rationalize it somehow.
But anyone who think what is available now is acceptable has a screw loose. But because they cant bring themselves to cope with reality they just go with the flow.
10 for the Chairman Episode 85
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15388-10-For-The-Chairman
03:40 – Drake Ejection Seats
07:10 – Gamescom
09:27 – Pirating Notifications
11:08 – Focused Updates
17:44 – E3
19:18 – NYX
21:11 – AI Opponents
23:23 – CryEngine SC Development
25:24 – Hangar and Universe Module
26:54 – Vanduul Harvesters
Transcript:
http://imperialnews.network/2016/06/10-for-the-chairman-episode-85/
“TLDR(Too Long;Didn’t Read)
[3:42] Q: Drake ships do not have ejection seats, how does this square with the perma-death concepts envisioned in ‘Death of a Spaceman’?
A: Drake ships are a little like Russian military hardware: rugged, functional but doesn’t necessarily have all the extras (like ejection seats) in order to offer better value elsewhere (like bigger guns). While an ejection seat might allow you to potentially escape, “Death of a Spaceman” means that even if you are blown up with your ship you are instantly dead: you wake up in a med bay after being patched up. However you can only do this a number of times before you old character passes away and you have to move on to a new one. So Drake ships are more risky but if you are aware of that you should still be able to get out and EVA away.
[7:12] Q: Will there be an event planned for Gamescom?
A: Due to venue issues we won’t be doing the same “Big presentation” like we’ve done in the past couple years, but instead we’ll have a booth on the show floor showing off new stuff coming up for the game and having a playable build of the current release as well as having pop up events, like the big garden event we’ve done the last couple years where it’s meet and greet for the fans with developers and such.
[9:30] Q: Will you receive a notification if you are away from your locked ship and a pirate is trying to disable the lock and loot your ship?
A: One of the next stages is to put in security systems which partly come with item 2.0 stuff. With that is other levels of boarding mechanics to hack or blow open a door, all in the stages of getting fleshed out and then get implemented. This would also involve notification to your Mobiglass within a reasonable amount of distance if you were, say EVAing somewhere else.
[11:11] Q: Biggest development challenge preventing rudimentary versions of exploration, cargo, mining and economy mechanics from being implemented in PU/PTU builds? Can we get focused updates on this in the future?
A: 2.4 added persistence which we will be opening up and expanding on. 2.5 will contain the outlaw base so there will be two factions and two spawning places. Our other “big” focus is the full Stanton system, which will be about a billion kilometres across, with procedurally generated planets. CryEngine was never built to simulate so many object so we’ve been working on full rewrite of everything in CryNetwork to get everything in place for the this and it is scheduled for 2.7. Once we have that and some messaging and organisational stuff which will be rolled out later this year we have the foundations to accelerate cargo, mining, etc. Our goal is to get Stanton fleshed out to the fidelity we want for all of Star Citizen: the “Pupil to Planet” level of detail.
[17:48]Q: Anything from the E3 expo that really amazed you? What do you think of how big space games are now?
A: Everyone seems to be doing space games now all the way up to mainstream titles like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare. Cool stuff with Mass Effect and Battlefield One. Star Citizen FPS stuff in the works that we’ll see in the not too distant future.
[19:22] Q: Nyx still in the works? When will we see it?
A: Yes! The landing area and environment is done, but we’re in the process now of integrating it into the huge star system and how it works with planetary tech. You should see it around 2.7 and ArcCorp won’t be in 2.7, but it won’t be long for that so you won’t see loading screens anymore when visiting Nyx and ArcCorp in the future and we’ll continue to build upon that from that. We’re working on having all that come together by the end of this year.
[21:15] Q: Will AI opponents have any aspect of self preservation?
A: Big AI technical session in Frankfurt recently and they’re in the implementation stage of the grand design. Going to unify AI and mission stuff into one system that has different levels and scopes and knows how to talk amongst itself, which will in turn allow things like self preservation and a more seemingly intelligent AI.
[23:30] Q: Will you eventually pass along the knowledge you gained where CryEngine is concerned from SC’s development?
A: Absolutely. I believe it’s important to share the knowledge that we’ve learned in order to help the industry evolve and advance like it has in the past from other people sharing what they’ve learned.
[25:30] Q: Will Hangar Module and Universe Module be combined for better immersion? Ex: Walking from your hangar into a space port and requisitioning a ship.
A: Yes, 100%. For him the goal is to get the game to a point where you’re not going to the Hangar Module or ArcCorp as separate modules, it’ll all be one. Setup may be slightly different than right now.
[26:58] Q: Planned role for Vanduul harvesters now that planetary landings are in game possibility.
A: We’ll definitely have them planned to appear when the systems that Vanduul occupy or threaten come into the bigger Star Citizen universe and the potential that the procedural tech gives us is unparalleled compared to what we had originally planned a couple years back. It’ll be very exciting the various scenarios you’ll encounter down the road.“
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Insider joke w.r.t. 10ftC85:
Watch Chris Roberts as he drinks his Cappuccino with gusto on screen ;-)
Guess they have a nice Barista machine somewhere ;-)
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I laughed way to hard at that part and could only picture that line being fed to backers again and again before Roberts getting pissed off again and telling off backers that it's been in the game all along.
Have fun
http://www.scqa.info/
An easy way to search for answers to a certain topic in the "10 For the Chairman" series.
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15782-10-For-The-Chairman
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Well .. be careful what you wish for ....
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"Level Designers Andreas Johansson and Tobias Johansson (no relation) from Foundry 42 DE will join host Jared Huckaby as they explore the process of building Surface Outposts LIVE. "
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