Originally posted by Kyleran Yet interestingly enough the creators of GW1 didn't label their game a MMO, they invented a new term CORPG, which more accurately describes some other titles today being called MMOs.
Moral of story, and something my grandfather taught me, never take a teacher's words as gospel, if they really knew anything they would be out in the marketplace, and not teaching.
Your grandfather was wrong, if they really knew anything they would be sailing on a yacht and had others be in marketplace doing their work for them
Originally posted by Bladestrom They did indeed, and corpg described nicely the multiplayer intent behind the game. Legendary game . It's also a good description for some mmorpg that are heavily instance and lobby/city based which has muddied the waters endlessly by shifting from being mmorpg.
Now when I hear "MMO" I have no earthly idea what kind of game I'm getting. World of Warplanes is being billed as an MMO.
I try to dig through the "about the game" section and just get more and more confused. Does this game have instances? Is it a persistant world?
Gw1 players know give it try, think of it as a classic 1 char rpg in the early phases, with online hubs, moving into corpg in the later stages, with classic party style rpg instances and story alongside, then awesome pvp battlegrounds mixed into that. Then there's hard mode zones that you can play with an nos/human mix party some of which will destroy your party if you make 1 mistake.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom They did indeed, and corpg described nicely the multiplayer intent behind the game. Legendary game . It's also a good description for some mmorpg that are heavily instance and lobby/city based which has muddied the waters endlessly by shifting from being mmorpg.
Now when I hear "MMO" I have no earthly idea what kind of game I'm getting. World of Warplanes is being billed as an MMO.
I try to dig through the "about the game" section and just get more and more confused. Does this game have instances? Is it a persistant world?
Nobody knows anymore
WoWP is a MOBA. You don't need to watch many gameplay videos to figure that one out. Youtube is your friend.
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Bungie themselves have weighed in on this, just like Arenanet did with Guild Wars. But some people are so out of the hobby/gaming they just cant fathom what MMO means.
"Not at all. Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal I play all types of games. But just like I got to ESPN to read about sports and not world news. I don't go to MMORPG to read about MOBA being branded as MMORPG.
Then just read the articles about MMOs and skip the other ones.
FFS, how perfect are your lives that something as infinitely trivial as 'this game isn't an MMO' can be such a source of trauma and outrage? I'm serious, I'd kill - I'd goddam murder whatever motherfuckers it takes - to have a life so amazingly free of any inconvenience, conflict or setback that something as small as this could be such a source of anguish or discontent for me.
Trauma, outrage, anguish? For pretty much all of us I'm guessing no. Frankly I'm surprised you're surprised that so many people have an issue with this sudden outbreak of stupidity where a chunk of the community starts calling cars buses. While I'm certainly not traumatized by this event, I am however still scratching my head. Probably the oddest thing I've seen on these forums in the decade since I first started reading.
It's more like calling motorbikes trains... I mean seriously these idiots have no idea what the difference is between multiplayer and massively multiplayer.
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Bungie themselves have weighed in on this, just like Arenanet did with Guild Wars. But some people are so out of the hobby/gaming they just cant fathom what MMO means.
"Not at all. Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said
Didn't you get the memo? The meaning of MMOs has been broadening ... to make the genre more popular.
It no longer means what it meant before ... and i bet it is done on purpose by many writers.
The meaning of MMO's has not changed significantly, it has become more refined if anything, and while some may dispute this, a clear definition of what constitutes an MMO continues to exist.
What has occurred is that this website no longer discusses only MMO's but also other games of interest, and why not, as numerous as MMO's are, they are far from the only interesting games that exist
Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal I play all types of games. But just like I got to ESPN to read about sports and not world news. I don't go to MMORPG to read about MOBA being branded as MMORPG.
Then just read the articles about MMOs and skip the other ones.
FFS, how perfect are your lives that something as infinitely trivial as 'this game isn't an MMO' can be such a source of trauma and outrage? I'm serious, I'd kill - I'd goddam murder whatever motherfuckers it takes - to have a life so amazingly free of any inconvenience, conflict or setback that something as small as this could be such a source of anguish or discontent for me.
Trauma, outrage, anguish? For pretty much all of us I'm guessing no. Frankly I'm surprised you're surprised that so many people have an issue with this sudden outbreak of stupidity where a chunk of the community starts calling cars buses. While I'm certainly not traumatized by this event, I am however still scratching my head. Probably the oddest thing I've seen on these forums in the decade since I first started reading.
It's more like calling motorbikes trains... I mean seriously these idiots have no idea what the difference is between multiplayer and massively multiplayer.
On the contrary, i think for the most part they do understand the difference between Multiplayer and Massively Multiplayer, the problem is, some seem to think that whatever game they are interested in is at a disadvantage unless its given the title of Massively, even if its entirely undeserved, which in the case of The Crew and Destiny, is fairly clear cut.
Interestingly, the same argument was used by some with the original Guildwars, even though the actual developers of the game pointed out themselves that it was in fact, a Cooperative Online RPG, rather than an actual MMO, didn't stop the game being hugely successful either. All a game needs in order to be successful, is for it to be a good game, trying to tag a game with the Massively Multiplayer title, doesn't actually improve the games chances, and if its inaccurate it will probably achieve the opposite, as it just adds another nail in the list of complaints a game inevitably garners, and for The Crew and Destiny, i don't think they really need more than they already have
Still some confused people arguing here. Just gonna repeat again.
MMO is not a genre. It doesn't have any deeper meaning. Its just a definition. Its already defined. It doesn't need revisions because to make it mean anything else would make no sense. For instance:
MMORPG - Shit ton of people playing TOGETHER. Not segregated in anyway. If there are zones, each zone still hosts a shit ton of people. Not this 32 players per zone crap.
Think of it this way too.... "Blue" can define something. Like a "Blue car".
What you guys are trying to do though, is make "Blue" also stand for "Red".
"Red" is already defined. "Look at that Red Car".
But now that "Blue" stands for "Blue" and "Red", and you say "Look at that Blue Car". Well... there is a "Blue"(MMORPG) and a "Red"(Standard Multiplayer) Car infront of me. Which are you referring to?
Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal I play all types of games. But just like I got to ESPN to read about sports and not world news. I don't go to MMORPG to read about MOBA being branded as MMORPG.
Then just read the articles about MMOs and skip the other ones.
FFS, how perfect are your lives that something as infinitely trivial as 'this game isn't an MMO' can be such a source of trauma and outrage? I'm serious, I'd kill - I'd goddam murder whatever motherfuckers it takes - to have a life so amazingly free of any inconvenience, conflict or setback that something as small as this could be such a source of anguish or discontent for me.
First world problem: I hate it when my video game site posts articles about games I don't like!
You fail to see the problem. We would love to be able to skip over the articles that aren't about MMO's. I have no issue with regular games being on here. I just don't want the article to label and present those non MMO games as if they were MMO's.
If at 8pm on fox they say they are showing the world cup, and you tune in and its teletubbies, thats fucking bullshit. Don't false advertise. And if someone actually thinks teletubbies is the same thing as soccer, they have issues.
It depends on the game, some "MMOs" are just single player games with co-op features. "MMO" is like a marketing term, same as "Smart".Also, it can mean "pre-release cash grabs".
Still some confused people arguing here. Just gonna repeat again.
MMO is not a genre. It doesn't have any deeper meaning. Its just a definition. Its already defined. It doesn't need revisions because to make it mean anything else would make no sense. For instance:
MMORPG - Shit ton of people playing TOGETHER. Not segregated in anyway. If there are zones, each zone still hosts a shit ton of people. Not this 32 players per zone crap.
Think of it this way too.... "Blue" can define something. Like a "Blue car".
What you guys are trying to do though, is make "Blue" also stand for "Red".
"Red" is already defined. "Look at that Red Car".
But now that "Blue" stands for "Blue" and "Red", and you say "Look at that Blue Car". Well... there is a "Blue"(MMORPG) and a "Red"(Standard Multiplayer) Car infront of me. Which are you referring to?
Yes. Classification, what a concept.
Man, I don't think it matters how simple a painting you paint for these new and confused offspring; we can blame marketing, we can lay it on the shoulders of inexperience, or in some cases we can point to sheer forum PVP lust. I do however commend you on your thread and your continued effort to clean up this ridiculous mess of a joke.
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Still some confused people arguing here. Just gonna repeat again.
MMO is not a genre. It doesn't have any deeper meaning. Its just a definition. Its already defined. It doesn't need revisions because to make it mean anything else would make no sense. For instance:
MMORPG - Shit ton of people playing TOGETHER. Not segregated in anyway. If there are zones, each zone still hosts a shit ton of people. Not this 32 players per zone crap.
Think of it this way too.... "Blue" can define something. Like a "Blue car".
What you guys are trying to do though, is make "Blue" also stand for "Red".
"Red" is already defined. "Look at that Red Car".
But now that "Blue" stands for "Blue" and "Red", and you say "Look at that Blue Car". Well... there is a "Blue"(MMORPG) and a "Red"(Standard Multiplayer) Car infront of me. Which are you referring to?
Not saying you are wrong, but I guess I am confused. What is your definition, I can't seam to find any official one for MMO, found lots of different ones but none of them match yours. And how many is a shit ton? If its one less then your shit ton does that mean its not a MMO?
You fail to see the problem. We would love to be able to skip over the articles that aren't about MMO's. I have no issue with regular games being on here. I just don't want the article to label and present those non MMO games as if they were MMO's.
What is the problem? It is not like you don't know all the MMOs being developed, and can tell within 10 seconds of an article whether it is a "traditional MMO".
I don't think people understand that aside from some here, writers, website operators don't care that much about strict definition, and are just go with the common usage. Plus, they have an incentive to broaden the definition to lure more traffic.
Can you blame them? If they stick to just UO type games, this place probably would have closed their doors. Heck, people (and not just me) talk about D3, Marvel Heroes, WOT, LoL, e-sports and many "non-traditional" MMOs here. So what if the term is used more generously?
In fact, the time people spent here bitching and moaning about how writers use a broad definition vastly outweighs the little time (like 10-15 second per article) they need to figure out if an article is talking about a game that fits their own definition.
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Your grandfather was wrong, if they really knew anything they would be sailing on a yacht and had others be in marketplace doing their work for them
Now when I hear "MMO" I have no earthly idea what kind of game I'm getting. World of Warplanes is being billed as an MMO.
I try to dig through the "about the game" section and just get more and more confused. Does this game have instances? Is it a persistant world?
Nobody knows anymore
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
WoWP is a MOBA. You don't need to watch many gameplay videos to figure that one out. Youtube is your friend.
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They are now.
Didn't you get the memo? The meaning of MMOs has been broadening ... to make the genre more popular.
It no longer means what it meant before ... and i bet it is done on purpose by many writers.
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Hi Kyleran ... it does not look like this place changes at all.
It's more like calling motorbikes trains... I mean seriously these idiots have no idea what the difference is between multiplayer and massively multiplayer.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/The meaning of MMO's has not changed significantly, it has become more refined if anything, and while some may dispute this, a clear definition of what constitutes an MMO continues to exist.
What has occurred is that this website no longer discusses only MMO's but also other games of interest, and why not, as numerous as MMO's are, they are far from the only interesting games that exist
On the contrary, i think for the most part they do understand the difference between Multiplayer and Massively Multiplayer, the problem is, some seem to think that whatever game they are interested in is at a disadvantage unless its given the title of Massively, even if its entirely undeserved, which in the case of The Crew and Destiny, is fairly clear cut.
Interestingly, the same argument was used by some with the original Guildwars, even though the actual developers of the game pointed out themselves that it was in fact, a Cooperative Online RPG, rather than an actual MMO, didn't stop the game being hugely successful either. All a game needs in order to be successful, is for it to be a good game, trying to tag a game with the Massively Multiplayer title, doesn't actually improve the games chances, and if its inaccurate it will probably achieve the opposite, as it just adds another nail in the list of complaints a game inevitably garners, and for The Crew and Destiny, i don't think they really need more than they already have
Still some confused people arguing here. Just gonna repeat again.
MMO is not a genre. It doesn't have any deeper meaning. Its just a definition. Its already defined. It doesn't need revisions because to make it mean anything else would make no sense. For instance:
MMORPG - Shit ton of people playing TOGETHER. Not segregated in anyway. If there are zones, each zone still hosts a shit ton of people. Not this 32 players per zone crap.
Think of it this way too.... "Blue" can define something. Like a "Blue car".
What you guys are trying to do though, is make "Blue" also stand for "Red".
"Red" is already defined. "Look at that Red Car".
But now that "Blue" stands for "Blue" and "Red", and you say "Look at that Blue Car". Well... there is a "Blue"(MMORPG) and a "Red"(Standard Multiplayer) Car infront of me. Which are you referring to?
You fail to see the problem. We would love to be able to skip over the articles that aren't about MMO's. I have no issue with regular games being on here. I just don't want the article to label and present those non MMO games as if they were MMO's.
If at 8pm on fox they say they are showing the world cup, and you tune in and its teletubbies, thats fucking bullshit. Don't false advertise. And if someone actually thinks teletubbies is the same thing as soccer, they have issues.
Yes. Classification, what a concept.
Man, I don't think it matters how simple a painting you paint for these new and confused offspring; we can blame marketing, we can lay it on the shoulders of inexperience, or in some cases we can point to sheer forum PVP lust. I do however commend you on your thread and your continued effort to clean up this ridiculous mess of a joke.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Not saying you are wrong, but I guess I am confused. What is your definition, I can't seam to find any official one for MMO, found lots of different ones but none of them match yours. And how many is a shit ton? If its one less then your shit ton does that mean its not a MMO?
What is the problem? It is not like you don't know all the MMOs being developed, and can tell within 10 seconds of an article whether it is a "traditional MMO".
I don't think people understand that aside from some here, writers, website operators don't care that much about strict definition, and are just go with the common usage. Plus, they have an incentive to broaden the definition to lure more traffic.
Can you blame them? If they stick to just UO type games, this place probably would have closed their doors. Heck, people (and not just me) talk about D3, Marvel Heroes, WOT, LoL, e-sports and many "non-traditional" MMOs here. So what if the term is used more generously?
In fact, the time people spent here bitching and moaning about how writers use a broad definition vastly outweighs the little time (like 10-15 second per article) they need to figure out if an article is talking about a game that fits their own definition.