[Column] Marvel Heroes 2015: Black Widow Rework First Impressions

BillMurphy

Scarlet Witch’s level 52 review as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye’s quality-of-life reworks hit Test Center yesterday and I wanted to take this week’s column to discuss my first impressions of Black Widow as she somewhat recently became my new main on live. While I do understand that this is her first iteration on Test Center and as such nothing is final, I have to say that I’m overall disappointed with the changes, even though I get why a lot of changes were made. 

Read more of Michael Bitton's Marvel Heroes: Black Widow Rework First Impressions.

zaberfangx

Good part of Marvel Heros, Melee still playable, D3 there working on it not so much push for it on fixing that, then PoE soon going test how well there melee going when they bring in there major patch in.

Nimor

I definitely don't think the old BW has any 'flow' in her kit and was always awkward. I think MichaelMayhem is a master of developing this flow and I have faith in him.  If he hasn't got it right yet, he will in the next adjustments.

TiamatRoar

This is what happens when Gaz refuses to make bosses receive extra damage from Stunned and Knock Down tags. It's fine if the boss is invulnerable or becomes invulnerable to CC, but making them not take damage from CC follow-ups after that completely removes a lot of potential builds and character designs in a game that struggles to make heroes stand out from each other thanks to the large roster.

Warlyx

the scarlet witch review 52 was awesome too

MikeB

Originally posted by Nimor
I definitely don't think the old BW has any 'flow' in her kit and was always awkward. I think MichaelMayhem is a master of developing this flow and I have faith in him.  If he hasn't got it right yet, he will in the next adjustments.

I don't know. The build that I use flowed pretty well and was intuitive to me. Feels really great running terminals with her right now. Really not looking forward to the changes as they are currently on TC.

asfaraslarry

I really liked CDG, even though I was a melee build (similar to yours, but I used drones more and gave up kiss a long time ago).  I'm ok with trying out the kick instead, and the batons (I was also using deadly blade quite a bit).

I had the basic loaded up and used it quite a bit.  Only twisted in deadly blade, so that might not be a big change for me.  I think my other big block of points was in Silent Killer.  I liked being able to run around invis for very cheap and then ducking in to the boss every 10 seconds (cc cool down) and sweeping him followed by a CDG.  Nah nah nah nah!  You can't catch me!  OK, so not the best TTK, but I've never been very 'meta'.    Guess that should work with the kick now.

Maybe MM will change his mind on those buffs.  That is a bit of a bummer that they are isolated to a build like that now.

MindTricked

I could never figure out why people had such issues with BW - once I finally got her (immediately after her 52), and started playing her, I found a smooth flow with her. I played her as a melee/ranged hybrid (with some grenade action), and she was FUN. Once I got the hang of things, I would just do whatever I wanted to do to whatever was my target. Coup would follow a Sweep Kick, do BIG damage, then I'd do a Backflip, throw some grenades, roll in, and repeat the process (on bosses). I'm 99% sure (note: I haven't tested her) that my style of play with her will be rendered fubar, and that fun I had will be a thing of the past.

That being said, I *do* have faith in the process and the devs, but I *am* wary of these changes.

MikeB

Mission Accomplished! Really happy with the changes.

johnnychangs

While I enjoy the game, and MMORPG, I'm not too sure why this article is here on MMORPG.  Changes to BW on Test should be discussed on the Marvel Heroes Test forum, not on a third party website that many go to for news & reviews.  Opinions about changes on a Test server should not really be discussed outside of the test environment, and most definitely should not be listed under the NEWS section of a site such as MMORPG.

I don't mean to crap on the author, I respect MikeB and have enjoyed many of his articles here.  I just don't think this one qualifies as News to the MMORPG community.

sayuu

Originally posted by MikeB
Mission Accomplished! Really happy with the changes.

In MichaelMayhem we trust, never doubt him again!

MikeB

Originally posted by johnnychangs

While I enjoy the game, and MMORPG, I'm not too sure why this article is here on MMORPG.  Changes to BW on Test should be discussed on the Marvel Heroes Test forum, not on a third party website that many go to for news & reviews.  Opinions about changes on a Test server should not really be discussed outside of the test environment, and most definitely should not be listed under the NEWS section of a site such as MMORPG.

I don't mean to crap on the author, I respect MikeB and have enjoyed many of his articles here.  I just don't think this one qualifies as News to the MMORPG community.

Appreciate the feedback, but this is actually my column, not a news post. It's here that I share my opinions on anything going on in my gaming life, generally focused on MMOs or other games we cover/list here at the site.  Given that I play Marvel Heroes more than anything else and write about those experiences pretty regularly in my column, something as disruptive as potentially ruining my main character felt worthy of discussion this week, especially since doing so presented the opportunity to affect change in the direction of this rework before it was too late.

 

Thankfully, Gaz was receptive to the feedback and the crisis has been averted! Looks like Black Widow's QoL is now on track to be awesome.

bingbongbros

I never really enjoyed playing BW. When I leveled her to 60 I did it just using covert snipe. It was fun just sitting at max distance sniping the shit out of Doom and Kurse.  But the rest of her kit seemed lame.  I'm excited to see her after her review.

 

Her AoU costume is pretty cool too, but GAZ needs to do something about how the lighting in game is affecting the look of the models.  Specifically in the face area.  Watching a reveal video of the new BW skin her face looks elderly because of deep dark circles around the eyes and cheeks.

Warlyx

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by johnnychangs

While I enjoy the game, and MMORPG, I'm not too sure why this article is here on MMORPG.  Changes to BW on Test should be discussed on the Marvel Heroes Test forum, not on a third party website that many go to for news & reviews.  Opinions about changes on a Test server should not really be discussed outside of the test environment, and most definitely should not be listed under the NEWS section of a site such as MMORPG.

I don't mean to crap on the author, I respect MikeB and have enjoyed many of his articles here.  I just don't think this one qualifies as News to the MMORPG community.

Appreciate the feedback, but this is actually my column, not a news post. It's here that I share my opinions on anything going on in my gaming life, generally focused on MMOs or other games we cover/list here at the site.  Given that I play Marvel Heroes more than anything else and write about those experiences pretty regularly in my column, something as disruptive as potentially ruining my main character felt worthy of discussion this week, especially since doing so presented the opportunity to affect change in the direction of this rework before it was too late.

 

Thankfully, Gaz was receptive to the feedback and the crisis has been averted! Looks like Black Widow's QoL is now on track to be awesome.

Gaz devs are AWESOME , they listen to the playerbase and read feedback, thats why MH is an awesome game!

 

the new changes to Hawkeye ROCK , just the trick arrow passive is :O , and HE got a sprint as travel power :P yay!