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New players and the expansion. Massive barrier to entry. You have been warned.
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Speaking as one pure crafter to another, have you considered just making your own i90 armor and accessories? The finished goods may cost you a couple of million but the components themselves are very cheap these days and as an RPer you may find it satisfying to fend off a dragon in gear you made yourself.
Yes, it's really great that you need to run all the old content as max level player to grind for your weekly allowance of tokens or relic progression.
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Alright Foom, now you're concern trolling.
The community here would not have jumped down you're throat if you told the truth. If maybe, just maybe, you're attitude wasnt shitty, people would not act like this.
Now an example: I am a new player and I come here for a quick reference on what the game is like and this is what I got out of, "The so called game you love"
"This games sucks"
"You actually have to do story in a story driven mmo that we knew was story driven back in beta"
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Now all I can think of is BARRIERS and HOPELESSNESS.
Now what you dont know: ilvl 90 gear is so irrelevant its rediculas. My god it's easier to get each character up to ilvl 130 now.
So easy a child could do it.
BTW if you dont like the story and only like to craft, then go play ArcheAge. Thats a SWG home for old players.
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to sum it up, and no I cant post past posts due to ToS, you confuse me. I remember you stating that this game has one if not the best story around. At one time you would talk up combat like it was the best.
Bro, a lot of people here respected you, me for one, but come on. Don't scare away the new people. We need them. The more subbers, the more content, quality content, we get.
Alright Foom, now you're concern trolling.
The community here would not have jumped down you're throat if you told the truth. If maybe, just maybe, you're attitude wasnt shitty, people would not act like this.
Now an example: I am a new player and I come here for a quick reference on what the game is like and this is what I got out of, "The so called game you love"
"This games sucks"
"You actually have to do story in a story driven mmo that we knew was story driven back in beta"
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Now all I can think of is BARRIERS and HOPELESSNESS.
Now what you dont know: ilvl 90 gear is so irrelevant its rediculas. My god it's easier to get each character up to ilvl 130 now.
So easy a child could do it.
BTW if you dont like the story and only like to craft, then go play ArcheAge. Thats a SWG home for old players.
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to sum it up, and no I cant post past posts due to ToS, you confuse me. I remember you stating that this game has one if not the best story around. At one time you would talk up combat like it was the best.
Bro, a lot of people here respected you, me for one, but come on. Don't scare away the new people. We need them. The more subbers, the more content, quality content, we get.
It all boils down to the expansion having tons of new gathering and crafting content that is gated behind hundreds of combat quests. hundreds. Like I said, players like myself will trudge through it. But we don't really appreciate it. The story is a good single player type rpg storyline. Sorry, thats not why I play mmorpgs.
Just about every game in every genre has some sort of combat and story driven element to it. I play mmorpgs because it is probably the only genre that offers persistent, community driven, interdependent, non combat activities.
SO sue me if I dont give a crap about the stuff this game does that every other mmo does.
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This.
This.
Nah. I never said I wanted it to go away. I'm actually glad it's there. It allows for a more diverse community of gamers with varying tastes.
I don't like having to do hundreds of combat quests in order to continue crafting and gathering in the expansion. See the difference?
The title of Foomerang's post should have been:
This game is not a sandbox, BE WARNED!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
So the natural response is to over-dramatize and sensationalize the fact that a miniscule amount of the population would be effected by what the vast majority of players would consider normal for an expansion?
It's easy to arm-chair and judge but the reality is we have all had these moments of frustration with x or y game. Ultimately though, this is 0% barrier to entry for the vast majority of players, and only an inconvenience to those that are 100% non-combat.
Where are you getting miniscule from? We are less than three weeks away from the expansion and only a quarter of the subscription base has completed all of the requirements.
It will be interesting to see what happens when it goes live. Nevertheless, we are pushing through it. 91 quests to go lol!
If you're going to play dumb I'm out. If you really didn't understand what that meant I don't know what to tell you.
then you need to change servers asap lol
a quarter of the subscription base? ROFL
for every 50 characters ilvl 120+ i see on hyperion i see maybe 1 or 2 noobs
If you're going to play dumb I'm out. If you really didn't understand what that meant I don't know what to tell you.
Look I understand why SE is doing this. And to an extent I think it is the best long term solution. Still doesn't change the fact that it sucks right now Hehe. And no I'm not in the minority on that.
Where do you get the idea that only a quarter of the population has reached Lvl 50/iLvl 90? Curious to see the source of this "information" you claim is a fact.
Also, it doesn't cost 3-5 mil to get to iLvl 90 gear. All you have to do is complete the dungeons that are part of the story, on completion of which you get a soldiery token bonus that you can use to purchase iLvl 100 gear. It really isn't difficult, at all, nor time consuming.
Hear hear. There's a lot of people who like to pretend that this game is so different from the rest...but aside from crafting/gathering it's the same...and in fact its a much worse grind than any other on the market. RNG ftw! Not just regular RNG either, SUPER RNG. Just ask anyone with an upgraded relic lol.
carebear of the year 2015....it hurts to see this kind of mentality of i want this right fucking now.
so for you everyone should just start with max level and best equipement possible? that way that would be easier and would solve all your problems! no problems during raids, or difficult dungeons, you will just have to storm through them with your easily aquired set of top gear!
In Fooms defense i tried to look at his argument from a different perspective....Let me explain.
My first reaction and post "a few pages back" was one where i could not understand why someone would not want to do PVE in PVE driven game, If he doesnt want to finish current content why would he want to play the xpac but then it occured to me...
What if WOW a game i played at launch and for many years did the same very thing with the next expansion? I despised/despise WOD and barely touched any endgame content but will more than likely check out the next xpac... What if Blizz gates the next xpac behind current content "THEY WOULD NEVER DO THIS we all know this" But what if? I would be very pissed.
Its a odd approach i must admit, One i do like but perhaps i like it because FFARR is currently my "go-to" MMO.. I will say this.. STEPS OF FAITH needs a immediate nerf! Its not that the content is actually hard but expecting a pug to work together and actually "learn" as a requirment to progress is quite insane IMO... I did it after 8 or 9 fail pugs , cant imagine how long it will take after the xpac drops..
Aloha Mr Hand !
Well Greenreen, guess we wont be see you much in some MMOs. Probably not much of a loss.
As to the Steps of Faith, it only took my pug 3 tries. Also my guild mates told me it has been nerfed.
Like I said, I'm more surprised Foom didn't know about this until now. This has been a pretty big debate for a couple of months.
Foom has made no bones about how much they dislike the combat and how slow it feels to them, so of course this is going to feel like no fun. It has been stated from the start of 2.0 that battle classes would take priority in the story so they wouldn't have to make three different approches to the same parts of the story like 1.0. They also never shied away from telling a story being the main focus of the game.
The only thing I actually had a problem with Foom was the alarmist title on this thread, and acting like new people who start the game are screwed from any progression post 2.0 story. Other than that, you can feel however you want. You don't have to like the story, combat, crafting, gathering, community, or anything else the game has to offer. Different strokes.
Steps have been nerfed already. The same people that would drop from the fight to "not waste their time," are now complaining how easy it is, when they wouldn't help people in the first place. So there you go.
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I have a question for you Foom.
FFXIV has a payshop. If there was an option to instant unlock the crafting stuff and skip the story/battle. How much would you pay? And should there be an option?