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Greed Monger Cancelled; $100,000+ in Kickstarter Funds Unaccounted For
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lol .. thank you!
I think you have to agree that at least I am entertaining and witty, at least occasionally. But please don't hold back disagreeing ... just because i make it fun.
I don´t think Appleton got that much money. He had a pretty big team during the KS and had to pay them as soon as the KS ended. Also, you have to know the software he was buying.. he wasn´t just buying $10 assets from the Unity store, he was buying some pretty big stuff.
Proctor got a few thousand dollars, a new computer, and about $20k worth of softward and Unity assets that he is too dumb to use.. which was the whole point of showing that Space Invaders game and the January GreedMonger video. He kept having Jason buy really expensive stuff, and then he was expecting it to be plug-n-play. When he realized the stuff actually required you to have some programming skills, he couldn´t use it.
Joel Lump. Did you see the google hangout or the posts he made on MMO-Champ? He is like Proctor, a complete nobody. For a few weeks he was able to post on forums acting like an angel investor and a big businessman. He made many posts on MMO-champ about branding and marketing and his leadership skills. He made posts about self funding Greedmonger... it was like Proctor, it was all just faking. When it all came out.. he is just another man-child living in his mothers house pretending to be someone important. He had his bluff called about the t-shirts.. he said if Jason mailed him the t-shirts he would send them out to backers.. because, you know.. him and James were all about making things right with the backers. But then when Jason actually did give him the t-shirts.... oh crap... he called my bluff... Joel didn´t even think the t-shirts existed, so was making an empty promise to mail them out.. but now that he has the shirts.. come to find out he doesn´t have enough money to even buy the plastic bags to mail the shirt out in...and now that he cannot RP an important businessman who is going to rebrand and lead MMOI ... nope, Jason called his bluff, and now Joel Lumpy is back to being just a child living with his mother with a coupld dozen t-shirts he can´t affort to mail out until his mom gives him his allowance. Seriously, read his posts on MMO-champ... and then watch him on the Google hangout.. it was all just some nobody pretending to be someone important until it all fell apart.
by the way. MMOI is still not a real company.. not registered anywhere. Joel and Proctor just faked a company and are pretending to be CEOs of it.
Nah, I think you now by now I'm not gonna refrain from disagreeing lol. But I'll never hold the argument against you, since you're never one to attack anyone's person!
99% of all kickstarter projects:
https://www.kickstarter.com/help/stats
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1536961-Trials-of-Ascension-Shady-Practices-and-the-Big-Crowdfunding-Debate
Enjoy.
You do realise the uselessness of that page?
According to Kickstarter Greed monger is a successful project. For them it is indeed, for Appleton as well.
Yawn* Oh boy there we go again, dude we get it already, you dislike Kickstarter and want to blame it for the project creators lies and the project backers stupidity since they supposedly “allow” frauds in their platform, with happens to be against their EULA actually, with I’m willing to bet that you didn’t bother reading yet. Still, just because you have that opinion you don’t have to start twisting shit up, as far as I know, according to Kickstarter Greed Monger had a successful FUNDING, with is quite different from what you are claiming.
Also before you keep quoting every single post I make to whine about Kickstarter, I’m actually going to suggest you something, READ THEIR FUCKING SHIT UP, starting by this:
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4
“The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers.”
Someone in this freaking post as offered money to everyone who presents him the paperwork of legal action against Greed Monger, NO ONE EVEN BOTHERED SO FAR, they just rather stand still and complain about it and I bet that most of them, like you, didn’t even bother reading the shit up before using their services.
“Ohh but it doesn’t matter because they can still use it for frauds, QQ”, well welcome to the fucking world mate! Shall I name you the other millions of services out there that can also be used for fraudulent business so that you can complain about them here as well?
… and about that link, just because YOU don’t trust the website self-information doesn’t mean it’s useless, either way, still more useful than a random internet guy %’s pulled out of his own ass.
Now please, just ignore the facts and repeat yourself all over again like you have been doing so far, I’m sure that one day it might stick.
I read that only 33% of all Kickstarter games get released. How many of them are good games, well thats a figure I would love to see. As for Kickstarter MMOs, we have yet to see one release. My bet is the stat will be way lower then 33%.
A game called "greed monger" on kickstarter gets a bunch of money and never gets produced. Huh, who would have guessed
I think if you installed a button on a wall and put a sign up that read "Insert 50 bucks and push for a kick in the crouch", people would still push the button and be angry about the kick in the crouch.
--John Ruskin
I wonder why people would risk their hard earn money for that kind of risks.
1) There is no upside ... the best case scenario, you have a product .. which is probably meh compared to all the other already available stuff out there.
2) Even if something is released, there is zero guarantee on the quality.
3) There is also no guarantee if the original description is accurate since people can say anything to KS.
I know there are suckers out there ... but so many of them with such disregard for their money ... it boggles the mind.
There have been only two things I have backed on Kickstarter.. The Crabby Wallet ( best wallet ever for those that dont carry tons of things IMO ) and Divinity. I knew of Larian as I bought their previous games and enjoyed them so I felt that was a safe bet.
I dont think I would ever back an MMORPG unless it was from an already established / known team that already displayed a good amount of work being done prior to asking for money. Other than I only entertain the idea of backing non game projects that look useful in everyday life and smaller scale games. I may also think about backing any DnD tile and character model projects.
My real concern is that people will start to lose faith in KS and the like. I see KS as the only hope we will get gaming back to what it used to be. To a hobby that is not subject to the demands of being an entertainment on the same level as films. To a pastime that puts innovation in front of franchises. A gaming where people expect a game to be good enough to play more than a month before they put it down.
Nari, you seem happy for whales to waste money in a cash shop, but not for people to waste money in KS. Which is rather odd. In KS you get to fund what you believe gaming should be like. For someone like you who thinks the genre is fabulous as it is, that concept is going to be hard to get your head round.
The products whales buy do not have a guaranteed quality (nothing in the world does mind you). People pre-order games with no guarantee that "the original description is accurate". How is that any different from KS?
I do advise caution on KS, but then I also advise caution on pre-order. I see little difference there between how the two models work in that regard, be cautious of both.
Man you guys frickin love day time drama shows I bet.
Look how much time you guys are wasting on something that nearly all of you couldn't care less about beforehand. This is a game, that even if launched, would have closed within a year, and it would have never even become remotely popular, but like art, once its dead its more valuable.
Talking about game industry scams and watching fan boys and girls circle the drain with the sinking ships they helped build, are often more fun than actually playing an mmo. I think the realm of MMO is heading for a correction, kind of like we see with the stock market every now and then. Basically the industry is going to implode and hopefully we will start a new with some better quality and fresh ideas.
"If you actually bothered than you will find out that it was actually me that offered $250. What have you done? I'm also sorry to inform you but I didn't back greedmonger or indeed I WOULD have started a case myself."
True, I didn’t bother going back to check who was actually doing the offer, yet it’s not like you are in much of a position to complain about it, are you? Since you are also here criticizing something that you also didn’t bothered to properly get to know.
Still to answer your question, I haven’t done anything and neither am I planning to, it’s not my problem, it’s their own money mate, they are responsible for it, if they want to throw it at everyone around the internet that makes them a couple of promises, it’s up to them. Also, if you were the one who made the proposal you should be aware better than myself, if they can’t be arced to do anything for themselves even with your offer, why should anyone else do it for them?
“Someone else mentioned this argument before. He used craigslist as an example of a platform. Since you bring it up, I'll give you a reply. There is an intrinsic and important difference between craigslist and kickstarter. Kickstarter is getting it's revenue directly from the failure of a project, whether the intent of the project was righteous or not. Craigslist does not. It gets it's revenue from advertisements and page clicks. Don't think that's an important difference?”
Doesn’t matter, it’s irrelevant. My point is that not doing something because it supposedly “allows” someone to exploit it for their own personal gain it’s just beyond silly, just because there are other services that you find to be more “fair” due whatever reason, won’t change that.
“I'm giving my opinions on a forum, if you don't like my opinion I'm sure it's convenient to call it twisting.”, “I didn't claim anything. I said that the stats page if useless, because those numbers only show, as you say as well, how many projects are successfully funded. But successful funding does not equal success of a project. A successful project should be when the project gets delivered.”
I believe in the middle of so much nitpick one of us got a little confused here.
Because that is exactly my point, successful funding and successful project are 2 really different things, yet you clearly stated that ACCORDING to KICKSTARTER Greed Monger is a SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, where did they say that? As far as I know all they have in the website is that Greed Monger accomplished their funding goal, therefore, they had a SUCCESSFUL FUNDING o.O;
“Source, Source, You going to quote the same source I guess?”
Nope, I’m not providing you any sources, for a very simple reason, you might notice the “we get it”, as in, what me and possibility other users in the forum are interpreting from some of your own posts, you know, things such as saying that Kickstarter isn’t being clear in the consequences towards project creators & backers, Kickstarter should be paying the backers for project creators failures, that Kickstarter is allowing frauds to make a profit from… if that’s not the case, then I apologize, but hey, at least I didn’t say that “according” to you Kickstarter sucks balls or something along the lines
Anyway, don’t get me wrong! I’m not really here to defend Kickstarter, I’m not really into it myself for my own reasons, sure I can’t ignore some of the really positive results from it, still I fully agree that there is space for improvement and all, but they are pretty clear how the system works and the risks you take, as a user you agree upon those terms, if you don’t read them or pay enough attention is not their fault, thus it doesn’t matter if any of us find it fair or not, from the moment they freely agree upon them, it’s their own damn responsibility… that simple.
It's just like charity mate, Kickstart is just a bridge between developers and backers, there are some great projects out there that can’t get the funds for development, thus they request peoples charity for it, in return, some of those projects rewards you depending on how much you helped them if successful. It’s one of the reasons why Greed Monger managed to get all that money, some people seen the rewards as a way to profit in the future, instead of charity they tried to turn it into a way to make business, obviously didn’t go so well…
By that I mean, if I’m not mistaken (correct me if I’m wrong) Greed Monger was rewarding backers with “land plots”, they were supposedly going to be limited and players would need them to build shit on… if I remember well, Ultima Online had a similar system, what happened is that a couple of players rushed buying all the plots and then sold them for insane amounts of money, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the backers were aiming for this with Greed Monger.
PS.: Some highly known people in many of these projects, they are not all a bunch of “unknown” bunch of online people :P
NP we're cool.
If you look at your stat page you see that all numbers are about funded projects, number of backers, how much money was donated, etc. But Kickstarter has no idea how many projects actually get finished. Because they don't ask the project leaders to tell them when they actually deliver. If they can't tell which projects actually deliver the success rates of their projects is lower than what they claim.
Let's hope it's not 99% failed projects, but probably noone knows, as long as Kickstarter doesn't change its policy and require project managers to give this info back.
Ahaha, you bring the term “selective memory” into an entire new level.
I still don’t get it, what do you think that they would achieve from asking the project leaders for the project status? Ignoring the insane amount that would be considering the amount of projects there, what would stop the developers from just lying (again?)? Even if not, then what?
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