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No, I'm pretty sure not every AAA company does this.
EA: YES
Blizzard: NO
Funcom: NO
Please feel free to add to this.
I hope ArenaNet just throws the free character slot, so people will shut the hell up.
So we can go back to normal, complaining about how this game sucks and have no endgame
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Please you do not speak for the majority. You don't speak for me.
HOT will keep current players and weed out the old.
You are being recycled, they want to keep it green.
A more "palatable" discussion.
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yes, you are right. i should just say me here. But look at the official GW2 forum.
Edit: Btw, i will still buy it even if it stays $50, I'm just waiting for more info
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If YOU even actually read the GW Forums you would have know that:
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<div may-blank-within="" md-container="" "="">We'll most certainly help anyone out who just bought the core game and would like to make the change to a HoT pre-purchase.
Bruh, we veteran players did recieve perks. None of the new players will ever experience the living story the way we did. And they will have to buy Season 2 just to experience the better half of the LS. There are titles and things like the marionette that we got FOR FREE that new players will not be able to get/experience. This is being blown way out of proportion as usual.
What skin is it off your ass if new players get the original game for free when they buy the Xpac. IMHO It has less to do with greed and more to do with weak sales of the base game and a shrinking player base.
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huh? i can't even understand what and why u arguing this time. Of course, they will help those who recently purchase the game, and yes, i have known that before i came here posting my opinion. Jesus this forum
That could be said about any game. How many times can you raid over and over. Knowing that in the next expansion you will be doing it ALL over again. At least with this game you have more options than raid or die, or BG for token gear then do it all over again next season.
I also don't understand why people think they are "better" than anyone else.
"I spent a $1000 in the cash shop, i'm a more valuable player than you. I'm a veteran!!"
A customer is a customer. it doesn't matter how long they have been playing or how much was spent.
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That argument is irrelevant, and untrue. The game hasn't even been out for 3 years, and it also required an initial purchase. It was not free.
That argument would only work if HoT was free, but it's not. People are judging the value of HoT and what it has to offer. Leave the base game out of it.
You want a comparison? Compare HoT to FFXIV's Heavensward.
Heavensward wins hands down in terms of content. I don't even like FFXIV, and i've been critical of it in the past, but i can recognize that it offers more value for content.
Oddest discussion about nothing imho. I purchased Tera like thousands of others and it went f2p, and no one made a huge deal out of it, same with many other titles out there. It is hard to believe that people feel like they are being cheated out of something so simple as this.
It's only $49.99, not a huge problem at all. Support the title if you like it, if not move on with what you feel is fair to your pocketbook and ego.
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1) That's precisely why the price is a problem: there isn't a separate upgrade for veterans who already own the base game and just want to buy HoT. You have to pay for both. You are not given the option to just buy HoT without the base game, or the option to gift that extra copy of the base game to someone else. So you are paying for a product you don't need.
2) There are literally dozens of people complaining about it on multiple social media sites. Just because they're not a majority doesn't mean they don't exist.
3) The price of the expansion is easily argued to be more than it ought to be. You keep wanting to compare it to WoW, so let's go ahead and do just that.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Warlords_of_Draenor#Features
VS
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns#Features
Go ahead, compare them. I'll wait. And then I'll laugh when you try to claim that HoT has "more" content for the same price. Especially since all of the PvP/WvW changes (as well as the trait system changes) aren't even actually part of the expansion itself, they're just updates that are going to roll at the same time as the expansion (that is, they're actually free updates that you'll get whether you buy the expansion or not).
And that's not even the only example I can provide. Someone else pointed out earlier that FF14 had an expansion recently which was also larger than HoT, for a lower price. HoT is very clearly and visibly overpriced, especially when you consider that almost half of its "content" is stuff they're going to add to the vanilla game anyways. So you're basically paying $50 for:
Which is probably why all of my friends who still play GW2 have all said they're not going to buy it.
4) No, GW2's fandom is by far the most over defensive of them all, and you are the living proof of it. I make one attempt to clarify the OP's points and you're instantly on top of me, being insulting and degrading in traditional internet fashion, just for daring to point out that the OP is technically correct in his complaint. That is what we call being overly defensive: you're so quick to rush to the game's defense like a true white knight that you didn't even bother to look and make sure I was actually insulting the game first.
Which makes this argument all the funnier because not only did I *not* insult the game....I actually used to play it, and it was by far one of my favorite MMOs. I played as early as the betas, was a pre-purchaser and everything, and I played it for well over a year before finally quitting. And I quit primarily because of people like you, who have no interest in seeing the game actually improve and wouldn't dare let anyone insinuate that ANet is not perfect.
Whereas people like me were pointing out issues in the game as far back as the beta, folks like you were the ones constantly insisting nothing was wrong with the game. You produced a wind tunnel that insulated the ANet team from the concerns of its players, and it took many months before we chipped through that armor and got them to start listening again. And then when ANet finally agreed with us and addressed our complaints, you switched sides and praised ANet for their glorious insight, acting as if people hadn't been calling out these issues for months without end. I ended up quitting the game because it had produced one of the most toxic communities in MMO history, and I wasn't interested in playing with people who were too far stuck up their own bums to have fun with us "casuals" once in a while. You ought to listen to Dakeru, because he/she's right....people like you are the reason GW2's community has such a terrible reputation across the internet.
Or, to sum it up: I didn't kick your dog, I disagreed with you on the internet. Chill your jets. Address my points, and try to do it without a personal attack for once.
...Did you even read his post?
You have this fairy tale idea that they wern't always going to charge $50 JUST for the expansion.
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Er, what are you on about? The charge is for the base game AND expansion. The problem is that there is currently no way to buy just the expansion. You have to spend $50 for the base game and expansion, even though vets do not need the first one.
I'm fairly certain this is not that hard of a concept to grasp. It's less to do with some "fairy tale idea" and more....common sense. People who own a product and want to buy the expansion to said product do not need, nor want, to pay for the original product again. They should be given the option to buy only the part they want, if they so desire. There's nothing outrageous or unfair or "entitled" about that.
Who is expecting it for free? People are judging the value of the expansion. That is not being entitled.
And what you are not getting is they are charging $50 for the expansion with the base game thrown in FREE.
Do you really think marketing would charge 25$ for an expansion when the free market would freely accept a price of around $50?
It would NEVER ever of crossed their minds to charge $25 for an expansion or $50 for a bundle.
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I look at it this way. The original product was/is free and you are paying for the expansion. WoW upgraded everyone to MoP for free prior to WoD releasing. It makes it easier for new players to start the game. /shrug
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I didn't read into anyone expecting the Xpac for free. Just some whining about special perks and free character slots.
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Actually it just depends on how you look at it. I think Nitth is correct.
The expansion is 50 dollars.
They are throwing in the base game for no extra charge.
Essentially for this new content infusion they want 50 dollars and they want to be able to hook new players by saying "you get everything for 50 dollars" as opposed to saying "you can buy the game for 50 dollars but if you want to stay you will have to buy the expansion for x dollars".
The issue here is whether or not it has enough content for veteran players to justify the 50 dollars. And it seems that no one is completely clear on exactly on what this expansion is really going to give.
for instance, today they announced the guild halls. Before today people knew of the expansion but didn't know that was to be included. So "what else" is going to be added that people don't know about yet?
At least that's looking at it in a more positive light.
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