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Archeage Literally Has A Stat Item Behind A Pay Wall
FlyByKnight
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The new Lavaspark Battle Pet
http://archeage-fashion.com/lavaspark/
Many reasonable people saw the precedent being set with how Archeage was fleshing out once it left Alpha. Excuses are made to justify how the ecosystem of the game is handled. I will not make any statement about the ethics of this Lavaspark Battle Pet item.
I would just like to observe the responses of the local Trion/Archeage apologists. Please explain how this isn't advantageous whale food. Please explain to patrons and f2p players alike, how if they grind REALLY hard, one day they can have this advantage.
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So it's useless? Nobody playing Archeage uses the skills; Auramancy/Health Lift, Defense/Refreshment, Vitalism/Aranzeb's Boon because they are useless correct? People shouldn't bother regrading their armor because the Celestial/Divine Buff to mana/hp is useless correct? A glass cannon build doesn't benefit from 1200 more HP and 1200 more mana? 1200 mana isn't a full rotation of Gods Whip? It isn't an additional Mend for a healer? Hellspear > Crows? That's an interesting POV.
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It may happen sometimes but when you streamline P2W as hardcore as AA does you lose my respect sorry. I mean this game is so P2W the only players left playing are the ones who have spent a ton of money and looking to see a return in their investment lol the business model of this game is a joke. My whole guild purchased RNG boxes mounts and crafting BS and some items are only available through the store which is BS and we had a member who spent over 22k IRL to stay competative in the arena lol.
Oh and we were part of the BIggest alliance in the server called the credit card alliance hahaha it was so funny to see all these whales playing and paying it really was off putting to me. Also to stay competitive you HAVE TO BUy regrading items otherwise you will quite the game due to the amount of time it will take you to make anything because of the shit labor system limiting you everyday unless you want to run multiple accounts that need to stay logged in if their free to even gain labor. Theres a reason this game failed in every other country please just let it die already.
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There always a pay to win in every game, at what level we rate it at? to be fair and not fair.
I can see how an extra 1200 hitpoints and mana could be useless in pvp. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
I have not played the game since January so thanks for clearing that up for us. I think I have it now, if you have at least 25k in HP then anything extra isnt helpful in pvp and all pvp happens mounted so there really is no benefit to having a battle pet that cost $150. Thanks again.
Not really true unless you are trying to compare selling items up front on an in-game marketplace to people selling items or currency via RMT, illegally on black market sites. The one is simply generated with no time invested by anyone (p2w marketplace) while the other (RMT), someone is actually spending time legitimately gaining the item and few people are willing to go out of their way to buy it putting their account at risk to do so.
Logically, its a huge stretch, but I expected nothing less from you in a thread about ArcheAge.
DMKano,
Will all due respect in FFXIV you cannot buy Max Level Charters from the SE Cash shop. They force you to level. Yes you can break the TOA and buy a power leveled character however if SE catches you which they do the account will be ban and you can never get it back. So you cannot buy FFXIV Characters legally.
As to AA, yes I feel its P2W too. I got may ass handed to me 2 months in by someone who had Unique level gear. How did he get this gear? Spent thousands of Dollars to regraded gear. I could have had the same gear too if I racked up my credit card for an online game, however I am not stupid enough to do that. The game has become a wallet game. What killed it for me was the archeum drops and archeum trees. Sorry it is too much a credit card game.
AA would have been 100% better off being a subscription only game. Then only Skill like SWG our UO would come into play. Not who has a deep wallet.
Yea but there is much less of that going on in other games then you think there is because accounts are banned for this now. Plus this is much different then buying an account you are basically forced to buy RNG boxes and crafting upgrade scrolls in Archage. OH and the regrade chance is soooooooo low just to make sure you spend all your money lol.
Can't forget noting is by forced, we can play the game or not, is not that we chain up and made that people have to buy in a RNG Box, is it fair? no I don't like RNG Box in free to play, or RNG loot drop from a boss in a sub game, I just hate the RNG system in general. For me I think RNG need to go away in all mmo, we need better system so we don't slave away trying get something.
You should probably just quit playing.. everyone I know who played AA has quit. What was once an amazing game (in Alpha) has been destroyed by Trion's incompetence and greed. Also you should probably ignore DMKano.. he is the biggest AA fanboy these forums have ever seen.
2 wrongs don't make a right. Things with stats or that gives out advantages (even in PvE though PvP is worse) still sucks.
Not that maxed out characters are a good thing, even though skipping 90% of the game and paying for it seems pretty retarded to me and anyways mainly lead to loads of people with zero clue on how to play their class.
Certain games that sells super spaceship are worse but that ain't no excuse either. Just because many people go around looting the town doesn't mean it is fine for you to do it.
Silly stuff like this isn't helping the MMO genre at all and many devs need to think things over or they will kill off the genre with greed. Trion is hardly the only offender here.
Even if you just made the scrolls yourself the crafting system was so convoluted it just ate up your labor.
Pay to win is when YOU pay to win. if you not then its not.
I haven't spend a dime beside my monthly subscription.
Pretty much people pay money for in game cash in a vast majority of games which gives a far greater advantage in the long run than some shoddy pet.
There is a difference in games that require a person to cheat (i.e use non-sanctioned RMT to gain advantage) and games designed from the ground up to be P2W to make the Developer/Publisher more money. . .
WoW, FF14, and even EVE are the former, Archeage is the latter.
The primary difference between "P2W" and "RMT to Win" is that, in the latter, players can pretend that RL money doesn't affect the game if it's "illegal" to use it.
Given the size and scope of the RMT industry, people are fooling themselves if they think that hundreds of other players are not buying advantages with real money in almost every game. The supposed risk associated with this "cheating" has had no effect on the continued growth of the RMT activities, which strongly suggests that the "risk" is minimal.
There are several pay to win scenarios:
1. Devs do all they can to catch and ban anyone engaging in RMT and do not permit a cash shop advantage in their games at all. The only thing these devs might offer for sale is costumes, pretty mounts, and maybe inventory space and character slots for sale. Now and then they miss a cheater...for awhile.
2. Devs make RMT against the ToS but don't enforce it. Perhaps they and/or their associates even make money off RMT themselves (I suspect this is the case with the AA land hacks). This is the most reprehensible of all RMT, since the devs are either not doing their jobs while claiming to maintain a level playing field or they're outright selling power to players themselves or they are allowing their friends to do it. It's deceptive because in this case it's true that players believe they are on an even playing field while the reality is quite different.
3. Devs offer advantages (power or time or both) that you can purchase with your wallet. It does not matter one bit if you can also gain those advantages by grinding longer than the whale does. It's still pay to win. Yes, that does include Eve Plex as well as the more blatant examples such as items not available at all through gameplay that give any advantage under any circumstances over a non-cash shop player's pve or pvp progression.
We've come a long, sad way from when devs dutifully did their best to catch and ban players determined to gain an advantage with their wallets. And there is no excuse for it, save for those who enjoy this sort of meta-gameplay. They're the lucky ones, they now have a near endless supply of pay to win offerings on hand and more every day. The rest of us mostly look on sadly, shake our heads, and pick from the least offensive of the turds currently on offer.
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Nobody, and I mean nobody uses pets in game for anything other than to show off; with the very rare exception of that guy who uses one during mob farming.
They're damn near useless because they're incapable of staying alive. Most of the time you see pets its in the library, because we level them to show off or for the achievements, and a lot of the time they're actually dead.
Most builds in the game can't use a pet because they break cc, which most classes need to combo off of.
OP knows damn well this pet isn't an advantage, he's upset that he has to pay for it.
So you're telling everyone that its against the rules to buy characters in EVE?
WoW doesn't have a token that people buy with cash and sell for gold, and that that doesn't count as paying to win?
Or are you just showing your bias because you don't like AA.
AA is brutal on the wallet if you want to be good.
There are people who spend thousands and thousands on this game.
If you do not pay you will not win.