I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
Wow..... I didn't realize Roberts and company burned through 80+ million already. Wonder how they're paying the bills now?
The end must be near.
If it wasn't for well informed people like you giving us plebs accurate information, who knows what kind of Bullshit the others would be feeding us.
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
Lol
I've had my post deleted and also have been permanently banned for politely pointing him to something that he said was impossible.
ps... it had absolutely nothing to do with Star Citizen and was on topic
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
I had to highlight this. If not only because the irony is so, so obvious. First, this IS one of the biggest games ever developed, possibly the single largest game ever developed. Games generally will take 5-10 years to develop. Blizzard had Titan in development for 10 years and it never even saw the light of day. The fact that you can't see that shows your own ignorance.
Derek Smart's OWN MMO Line of Defence is just in Early Access at this point, but there are trailers online as early as 2011, which means that there was a development effort ongoing prior to that as well. So it's safe to assume that even a second rate, crappy MMO like Line of Defence takes 5+ years to develop, and it's still NOT RELEASED!!! So this begs the question why would someone with first-hand knowledge of the industry buy into this? My vote, and based on previous actions, is that he's just a raging a-hole. It's not even being a White Knight like some would suggest. I'm really sorry, but if he was such a white knight, he'd pull his own crap game from the Steam marketplace because it's not fair to subject players to the POS that he's put out there. Where's the focus on quality?
So again, you can take your multiple counts of ignorance and move along.
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
I had to highlight this. If not only because the irony is so, so obvious. First, this IS one of the biggest games ever developed, possibly the single largest game ever developed. Games generally will take 5-10 years to develop. Blizzard had Titan in development for 10 years and it never even saw the light of day. The fact that you can't see that shows your own ignorance.
Derek Smart's OWN MMO Line of Defence is just in Early Access at this point, but there are trailers online as early as 2011, which means that there was a development effort ongoing prior to that as well. So it's safe to assume that even a second rate, crappy MMO like Line of Defence takes 5+ years to develop, and it's still NOT RELEASED!!! So this begs the question why would someone with first-hand knowledge of the industry buy into this? My vote, and based on previous actions, is that he's just a raging a-hole. It's not even being a White Knight like some would suggest. I'm really sorry, but if he was such a white knight, he'd pull his own crap game from the Steam marketplace because it's not fair to subject players to the POS that he's put out there. Where's the focus on quality?
So again, you can take your multiple counts of ignorance and move along.
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
Is that an excuse for not delivering quality? Or banning uncomfortable and recalcitrant people? Threatening with law suits? And so on etc. etc. etc.
Sorry but the more and more you blow up, the more people will see your true intentions.
Btw. other dev teams under comparable conditions seem to be able to produce well received games.
Oh sorry I forgot... they cannot be compared to the complexity of your games. Yes BC3K had some real depths and you tried something new and hard but you cannot rest on your overall not so well received oars.
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
I had to highlight this. If not only because the irony is so, so obvious. First, this IS one of the biggest games ever developed, possibly the single largest game ever developed. Games generally will take 5-10 years to develop. Blizzard had Titan in development for 10 years and it never even saw the light of day. The fact that you can't see that shows your own ignorance.
Derek Smart's OWN MMO Line of Defence is just in Early Access at this point, but there are trailers online as early as 2011, which means that there was a development effort ongoing prior to that as well. So it's safe to assume that even a second rate, crappy MMO like Line of Defence takes 5+ years to develop, and it's still NOT RELEASED!!! So this begs the question why would someone with first-hand knowledge of the industry buy into this? My vote, and based on previous actions, is that he's just a raging a-hole. It's not even being a White Knight like some would suggest. I'm really sorry, but if he was such a white knight, he'd pull his own crap game from the Steam marketplace because it's not fair to subject players to the POS that he's put out there. Where's the focus on quality?
So again, you can take your multiple counts of ignorance and move along.
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
I'm not exactly sure how that helps your argument at all. You're saying that it took 5+ years and $15 million to create the steaming lump of shite that is Line of Defence? Yet RSI has, somehow, mis-managed $85 million? With a staff of over 250 people? Again, I know that there is licensing, offices, etc., etc. that go along with the actual development, but come ON!!! Get your head out of your ass.
The Repopulation was created by a smaller team, offers more complex features, is of better quality (both in content and actual performance), and they don't hide behind excuses about why their work is so horrible.
If people are going to petition for ANYTHING at this point, I would suggest petitioning for Derek's Line of Defence to be removed from Steam. It's happened to other games which reflected poorly on Steam and I think LOD is a game that is NOT up to the quality expectations of what I'd expect to find on Steam.
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
I'm not exactly sure how that helps your argument at all. You're saying that it took 5+ years and $15 million to create the steaming lump of shite that is Line of Defence? Yet RSI has, somehow, mis-managed $85 million? With a staff of over 250 people? Again, I know that there is licensing, offices, etc., etc. that go along with the actual development, but come ON!!! Get your head out of your ass.
The Repopulation was created by a smaller team, offers more complex features, is of better quality (both in content and actual performance), and they don't hide behind excuses about why their work is so horrible.
If people are going to petition for ANYTHING at this point, I would suggest petitioning for Derek's Line of Defence to be removed from Steam. It's happened to other games which reflected poorly on Steam and I think LOD is a game that is NOT up to the quality expectations of what I'd expect to find on Steam.
As much as I hate to say it, I don't think you're being fair. While DS, has put out some games I was not thrilled to play. He has his crowd, they like his games, they do offer things other games do not. I don't think ambition should be frowned upon, delivered or not, without some people trying, we'd have nothing but Pacman and pong...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
I'm not exactly sure how that helps your argument at all. You're saying that it took 5+ years and $15 million to create the steaming lump of shite that is Line of Defence? Yet RSI has, somehow, mis-managed $85 million? With a staff of over 250 people? Again, I know that there is licensing, offices, etc., etc. that go along with the actual development, but come ON!!! Get your head out of your ass.
The Repopulation was created by a smaller team, offers more complex features, is of better quality (both in content and actual performance), and they don't hide behind excuses about why their work is so horrible.
If people are going to petition for ANYTHING at this point, I would suggest petitioning for Derek's Line of Defence to be removed from Steam. It's happened to other games which reflected poorly on Steam and I think LOD is a game that is NOT up to the quality expectations of what I'd expect to find on Steam.
As much as I hate to say it, I don't think you're being fair. While DS, has put out some games I was not thrilled to play. He has his crowd, they like his games, they do offer things other games do not. I don't think ambition should be frowned upon, delivered or not, without some people trying, we'd have nothing but Pacman and pong...
I do find it funny though that DS is blasting away on one company saying that their game will never be made with very little evidence to back his argument while his own game actually being completed is questionable.
I just had to feed into the insanity.... I made a post in the Line of Defense MMO forum on Steam; It lasted a few hours before I was permanently banned from the forum and the post was deleted, but I was actually expecting that reaction, and it demonstrates how things get handled by this guy perfectly.
> Originally posted by dsmart: Thanks. We've been taking a lot of flak from people who simply don't understand the process. Or they just want to be mean, and counter-productive.
Really? you make tons of VERY public criticisms of how certain other games have handled their development cycle, then wonder why people ask you to hold yourself to the same standard? Suddenly, they don't understand the process because they are questioning you?
>Ban Reason: no trolling here
Apparently, I'm one of those that "doesn't understand the process" and "wanted to be mean, and counter-productive".
I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
I had to highlight this. If not only because the irony is so, so obvious. First, this IS one of the biggest games ever developed, possibly the single largest game ever developed. Games generally will take 5-10 years to develop. Blizzard had Titan in development for 10 years and it never even saw the light of day. The fact that you can't see that shows your own ignorance.
Derek Smart's OWN MMO Line of Defence is just in Early Access at this point, but there are trailers online as early as 2011, which means that there was a development effort ongoing prior to that as well. So it's safe to assume that even a second rate, crappy MMO like Line of Defence takes 5+ years to develop, and it's still NOT RELEASED!!! So this begs the question why would someone with first-hand knowledge of the industry buy into this? My vote, and based on previous actions, is that he's just a raging a-hole. It's not even being a White Knight like some would suggest. I'm really sorry, but if he was such a white knight, he'd pull his own crap game from the Steam marketplace because it's not fair to subject players to the POS that he's put out there. Where's the focus on quality?
So again, you can take your multiple counts of ignorance and move along.
safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
I'm not exactly sure how that helps your argument at all. You're saying that it took 5+ years and $15 million to create the steaming lump of shite that is Line of Defence? Yet RSI has, somehow, mis-managed $85 million? With a staff of over 250 people? Again, I know that there is licensing, offices, etc., etc. that go along with the actual development, but come ON!!! Get your head out of your ass.
The Repopulation was created by a smaller team, offers more complex features, is of better quality (both in content and actual performance), and they don't hide behind excuses about why their work is so horrible.
If people are going to petition for ANYTHING at this point, I would suggest petitioning for Derek's Line of Defence to be removed from Steam. It's happened to other games which reflected poorly on Steam and I think LOD is a game that is NOT up to the quality expectations of what I'd expect to find on Steam.
And what have you done in your glittering career? Oh wait sweet fuck all.
Obviously some people play his games, how many people are playing CrazKanuk games. I would bet your in your mums basement now munching on Warly pie.
If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Can we please stop with this 4 years BS?
The crowdfunding campaign started on September 2012 with the goals and project in mind not even remotely close to the game being build today. CIG had a handful of people then, today it counts 255 professionals.
Prior to the crowdfunding campaign Roberts worked for almost 1 year building the very impressive demo and pitch video he displayed for potential backers to see.
I do find it funny though that DS is blasting away on one company saying that their game will never be made with very little evidence to back his argument while his own game actually being completed is questionable.
That's a fair opinion, he's made his bed on his own in that regard, yet I don't think it's the high ground for those against that, to do essentially the same thing to him. The message of being against it is totally lost in doing so.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am a backer and I am excited about this game. I also feel that we will one day have a game and it isn’t vaporware as Derek implies. I also don’t mind waiting for RSI to get it right........BUT, I completely understand Derek Smarts concerns.
Star Citizen is an unprecedented undertaking. I don’t think it’s unfair that concerned people want to know what’s going on and demand some accountability. There is precedent for game companies to fail with player’s money.
Curt Shillings 38 Studios lost $75 million dollars of tax payer money when his game failed. They were bankrupt with no game to show for it after receiving $75 million dollars in funding! This is all fact, this really happened, so why is it so hard to understand why somebody, stake or no stake, is concerned about an $85 million dollar game failing? It’s actually quite reasonable.
Like I said: I am a Star Citizen backer ($75 so far) and I want this game badly. But I also feel its ok to demand some transparency, its OUR MONEY after all. Roberts is making this game with our money, there is zero financial risk to him. If Derek wants to pony up the expense for an accountant and independent publisher to audit RSI then I support that 100%. And RSI should too. They can quell everybody’s concerns with zero cost to themselves. They should embrace this as a way to put all this to bed.
This is no different than the shareholders of a company asking for an audit. Any legitimate company would comply without hesitation, especially if the process would not cost them a penny. The more they resist, the more I think they need it.....
And what have you done in your glittering career? Oh wait sweet fuck all.
Obviously some people play his games, how many people are playing CrazKanuk games. I would bet your in your mums basement now munching on Warly pie.
Joker.
Is crude and vulgar remarks the limit of what you can do in a discussion? If you think your helping Derek Smart's side with such ranting......your not.
I am a backer and I am excited about this game. I also feel that we will one day have a game and it isn’t vaporware as Derek implies. I also don’t mind waiting for RSI to get it right........BUT, I completely understand Derek Smarts concerns.
Star Citizen is an unprecedented undertaking. I don’t think it’s unfair that concerned people want to know what’s going on and demand some accountability. There is precedence for game companies to fail with player’s money.
Curt Shillings 38 Studios lost $75 million dollars of tax payer money when his game failed. They were bankrupt with no game to show for it after receiving $75 million dollars in funding! This is all fact, this really happened, so why is it so hard to understand why somebody, stake or no stake, is concerned about an $85 million dollar game failing? It’s actually quite reasonable.
Like I said: I am a Star Citizen backer ($75 so far) and I want this game badly. But I also feel its ok to demand some transparency, its OUR MONEY after all. Roberts is making this game with our money, there is zero financial risk to him. If Derek wants to pony up the expense for an accountant and independent publisher to audit RSI then I support that 100%. And RSI should too. They can quell everybody’s concerns with zero cost to themselves. They should embrace this as a way to put all this to bed.
This is no different than the shareholders of a company asking for an audit. Any legitimate company would comply without hesitation, especially if the process would not cost them a penny. The more they resist, the more I think they need it.....
Or he could do like Oculus Rift guys did when they sold their Kickstarter backed project to Facebook for $2Billion.
Thats a good point. And remember we were all nervous about what was going to happen to it? And now it looks like it was a good move for Oculus fans as they are about to release the consumer version.
But backers are no shareholders. They donated money and that´s about it.
Also the time and cost of an audit should relate to the accusations made. Here the accusations are by far not enough to conduct an audit.
I understand concerns regarding the money people fear to loose but that does not jutify an audit.
Also Mr. Smart uses this for his own vendetta and self promotion. Want to help him with this? He tears things down and comes in as the savior. Not what good people do.
And what have you done in your glittering career? Oh wait sweet fuck all.
Obviously some people play his games, how many people are playing CrazKanuk games. I would bet your in your mums basement now munching on Warly pie.
Joker.
Is crude and vulgar remarks the limit of what you can do in a discussion? If you think your helping Derek Smart's side with such ranting......your not.
Here we go again Mr White Knight, you are actually boring me lol. Guess i'll have to ignore you if that's the only way to actually forget you exist. I wouldn't mind if you didn't repeat your same dribble in every post "vulgar this and bad language that" grow some plz.
And what have you done in your glittering career? Oh wait sweet fuck all.
Obviously some people play his games, how many people are playing CrazKanuk games. I would bet your in your mums basement now munching on Warly pie.
Joker.
Is crude and vulgar remarks the limit of what you can do in a discussion? If you think your helping Derek Smart's side with such ranting......your not.
Here we go again Mr White Knight, you are actually boring me lol. Guess i'll have to ignore you if that's the only way to actually forget you exist. I wouldn't mind if you didn't repeat your same dribble in every post "vulgar this and bad language that" grow some plz.
Please do , since your incapable of intelligent conversation, I am sure the apes at zoo near you will respond better to your knuckle dragging comments.
Audits are standard processes in business. There doesn’t need to be an accusation to warrant an audit. An audit is not the result of an accusation or suspicion necessarily. And audit is a healthy business practice that should never be avoided.
The fact that that RSI has raised $85 million dollars alone is enough to warrant the audit.
Again, the only thing unreasonable is that any company in the world would deny a free audit. An audit can only help an honest and legitimate company, especially one that has had some accusation levied against it.
Please don’t equate an audit to a criminal investigation process. Criminal investigations usually include audits of some kind, but audits by themselves are not criminal investigations. Audits are healthy and necessary to legitimate processes.
A free audit is a rare gift and should be embraced….. Unless there is something to hide.
Again, I am a backer and can wait as long as possible for the game.
Audits are standard processes in business. There doesn’t need to be an accusation to warrant an audit. An audit is not the result of an accusation or suspicion necessarily. And audit is a healthy business practice that should never be avoided.
The fact that that RSI has raised $85 million dollars alone is enough to warrant the audit.
Again, the only thing unreasonable is that any company in the world would deny a free audit. An audit can only help an honest and legitimate company, especially one that has had some accusation levied against it.
Please don’t equate an audit to a criminal investigation process. Criminal investigations usually include audits of some kind, but audits by themselves are not criminal investigations. Audits are healthy and necessary to legitimate processes.
A free audit is a rare gift and should be embraced….. Unless there is something to hide.
Again, I am a backer and can wait as long as possible for the game.
Thats true regarding "standard" business audits. But you seem to also know the amount of areas audits can cover. And audits can result in huge amount of work. Fact is that they can take away a lot of time considering the audited area.
I conducted audits in the IT security branch (ie. PCI DSS) and that kind of audit is not what companies want. Expensive, obligatory but yes necessary.
I was refering to Mr. Smarts accusitions regarding CIG. They are haltless and will not lead the FTC to conduct an audit.
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I never ever post here but honestly you're so ignorant I felt compelled to hit the quote and reply button. Derek Smart could be full of shit, dead wrong and an ignorant fucking internet troll for all anyone cares. But what you're failing to understand is that he backed the game giving him a legitimate stance to have a voice, and after 4 years and 80+ million he simply wants to know what the fucking hold-up is. How is that a bad thing? If YOU personally gave them even $50 and 4 years later had almost nothing to show for, are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be curious or demand some answers? I mean $85,000,000 is a shitload of money for a Kickstarted game, and 4 years of development is a serious amount of time.
Who the hell would back a game and expect 5-10 years development? Get a brain your internet post gave me a fucking headache trying to understand your ignorance or where you were even coming from mentally to post such dribble.
Wow..... I didn't realize Roberts and company burned through 80+ million already. Wonder how they're paying the bills now?
The end must be near.
If it wasn't for well informed people like you giving us plebs accurate information, who knows what kind of Bullshit the others would be feeding us.
xxoo
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Lol
I've had my post deleted and also have been permanently banned for politely pointing him to something that he said was impossible.
ps... it had absolutely nothing to do with Star Citizen and was on topic
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
That´s how he treats people who have another opinion. He blocked me on the LOD Forums too with the same argument. He also blocked me on twitter.
He uses several nicknames sometimes to answer his own posts.
I have a list of demands for Derek Smart
I had to highlight this. If not only because the irony is so, so obvious. First, this IS one of the biggest games ever developed, possibly the single largest game ever developed. Games generally will take 5-10 years to develop. Blizzard had Titan in development for 10 years and it never even saw the light of day. The fact that you can't see that shows your own ignorance.
Derek Smart's OWN MMO Line of Defence is just in Early Access at this point, but there are trailers online as early as 2011, which means that there was a development effort ongoing prior to that as well. So it's safe to assume that even a second rate, crappy MMO like Line of Defence takes 5+ years to develop, and it's still NOT RELEASED!!! So this begs the question why would someone with first-hand knowledge of the industry buy into this? My vote, and based on previous actions, is that he's just a raging a-hole. It's not even being a White Knight like some would suggest. I'm really sorry, but if he was such a white knight, he'd pull his own crap game from the Steam marketplace because it's not fair to subject players to the POS that he's put out there. Where's the focus on quality?
So again, you can take your multiple counts of ignorance and move along.
Crazkanuk
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safe to assume that even a second rate, MMO like Line of Defense takes 5+ years to develop, by a team of less than a dozen, self-funded for under $15m, and is on track to release 5 years later
Fixed that for you.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Is that an excuse for not delivering quality? Or banning uncomfortable and recalcitrant people? Threatening with law suits? And so on etc. etc. etc.
Sorry but the more and more you blow up, the more people will see your true intentions.
Btw. other dev teams under comparable conditions seem to be able to produce well received games.
Here is an example of some indie games:
http://itch.io/
http://whatculture.com/gaming/18-best-indie-games-of-the-decade-so-far.php/1
Oh sorry I forgot... they cannot be compared to the complexity of your games. Yes BC3K had some real depths and you tried something new and hard but you cannot rest on your overall not so well received oars.
I'm not exactly sure how that helps your argument at all. You're saying that it took 5+ years and $15 million to create the steaming lump of shite that is Line of Defence? Yet RSI has, somehow, mis-managed $85 million? With a staff of over 250 people? Again, I know that there is licensing, offices, etc., etc. that go along with the actual development, but come ON!!! Get your head out of your ass.
The Repopulation was created by a smaller team, offers more complex features, is of better quality (both in content and actual performance), and they don't hide behind excuses about why their work is so horrible.
If people are going to petition for ANYTHING at this point, I would suggest petitioning for Derek's Line of Defence to be removed from Steam. It's happened to other games which reflected poorly on Steam and I think LOD is a game that is NOT up to the quality expectations of what I'd expect to find on Steam.
Crazkanuk
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As much as I hate to say it, I don't think you're being fair. While DS, has put out some games I was not thrilled to play. He has his crowd, they like his games, they do offer things other games do not. I don't think ambition should be frowned upon, delivered or not, without some people trying, we'd have nothing but Pacman and pong...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I do find it funny though that DS is blasting away on one company saying that their game will never be made with very little evidence to back his argument while his own game actually being completed is questionable.
And what have you done in your glittering career? Oh wait sweet fuck all.
Obviously some people play his games, how many people are playing CrazKanuk games. I would bet your in your mums basement now munching on Warly pie.
Joker.
Can we please stop with this 4 years BS?
The crowdfunding campaign started on September 2012 with the goals and project in mind not even remotely close to the game being build today. CIG had a handful of people then, today it counts 255 professionals.
Prior to the crowdfunding campaign Roberts worked for almost 1 year building the very impressive demo and pitch video he displayed for potential backers to see.
That's a fair opinion, he's made his bed on his own in that regard, yet I don't think it's the high ground for those against that, to do essentially the same thing to him. The message of being against it is totally lost in doing so.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am a backer and I am excited about this game. I also feel that we will one day have a game and it isn’t vaporware as Derek implies. I also don’t mind waiting for RSI to get it right........BUT, I completely understand Derek Smarts concerns.
Star Citizen is an unprecedented undertaking. I don’t think it’s unfair that concerned people want to know what’s going on and demand some accountability. There is precedent for game companies to fail with player’s money.
Curt Shillings 38 Studios lost $75 million dollars of tax payer money when his game failed. They were bankrupt with no game to show for it after receiving $75 million dollars in funding! This is all fact, this really happened, so why is it so hard to understand why somebody, stake or no stake, is concerned about an $85 million dollar game failing? It’s actually quite reasonable.
Like I said: I am a Star Citizen backer ($75 so far) and I want this game badly. But I also feel its ok to demand some transparency, its OUR MONEY after all. Roberts is making this game with our money, there is zero financial risk to him. If Derek wants to pony up the expense for an accountant and independent publisher to audit RSI then I support that 100%. And RSI should too. They can quell everybody’s concerns with zero cost to themselves. They should embrace this as a way to put all this to bed.
This is no different than the shareholders of a company asking for an audit. Any legitimate company would comply without hesitation, especially if the process would not cost them a penny. The more they resist, the more I think they need it.....
Is crude and vulgar remarks the limit of what you can do in a discussion? If you think your helping Derek Smart's side with such ranting......your not.
Or he could do like Oculus Rift guys did when they sold their Kickstarter backed project to Facebook for $2Billion.
But backers are no shareholders. They donated money and that´s about it.
Also the time and cost of an audit should relate to the accusations made. Here the accusations are by far not enough to conduct an audit.
I understand concerns regarding the money people fear to loose but that does not jutify an audit.
Also Mr. Smart uses this for his own vendetta and self promotion. Want to help him with this? He tears things down and comes in as the savior. Not what good people do.
Here we go again Mr White Knight, you are actually boring me lol. Guess i'll have to ignore you if that's the only way to actually forget you exist. I wouldn't mind if you didn't repeat your same dribble in every post "vulgar this and bad language that" grow some plz.
*you're*
(I am so sorry, I had too. This is the internet after all!)
Please do , since your incapable of intelligent conversation, I am sure the apes at zoo near you will respond better to your knuckle dragging comments.
I'm french, i think i do pretty good at English. So really that comment just makes me smile, next time at least give me something original.
It's just no fun lol.
Audits are standard processes in business. There doesn’t need to be an accusation to warrant an audit. An audit is not the result of an accusation or suspicion necessarily. And audit is a healthy business practice that should never be avoided.
The fact that that RSI has raised $85 million dollars alone is enough to warrant the audit.
Again, the only thing unreasonable is that any company in the world would deny a free audit. An audit can only help an honest and legitimate company, especially one that has had some accusation levied against it.
Please don’t equate an audit to a criminal investigation process. Criminal investigations usually include audits of some kind, but audits by themselves are not criminal investigations. Audits are healthy and necessary to legitimate processes.
A free audit is a rare gift and should be embraced….. Unless there is something to hide.
Again, I am a backer and can wait as long as possible for the game.
Thats true regarding "standard" business audits. But you seem to also know the amount of areas audits can cover. And audits can result in huge amount of work. Fact is that they can take away a lot of time considering the audited area.
I conducted audits in the IT security branch (ie. PCI DSS) and that kind of audit is not what companies want. Expensive, obligatory but yes necessary.
I was refering to Mr. Smarts accusitions regarding CIG. They are haltless and will not lead the FTC to conduct an audit.