Originally posted by adamlotus75 whether the game gets finished or not, it must be worrying for CIG how much negativity there is for SC. kind of like where Blizzard is now: do we still trust them to deliver on promises?
Im looking forward to SC getting to a point with the game that ill be comfortable giving them money, I had heard about SC and kinda new about it, but thanks to Smart and his bull !%$#, I learned a bit more about the game and I am excited. Thanks Smart, in the long run I think Smart will drum up more positive press for the game then negative...
But seeing how neither the backers or the momentum seems to die down. Who know what the finall budget for the game will be or what features it will entail.
Really, you figured this how? Their funding took a nose dive starting in June, way ahead of my first blog. And it continues in freefall and the July numbers aren't even out yet.
Unless they start making over $3m per month, the project is doomed. Period.
Well... If you look at how the average mob mentality acts and the add a spoon of "patriotism" for the project and a dash of desperation to not look like a fool... Compare that to the F2P market and other KS/IGG campaigns and similar crowdfunding it is not hard to see how this project most likely have more then enough gas left to hit your higher estimate of budget needs. Will it tiake some pleading and scaremongering... Yupp... Is that ethical.. Nope, but it is very effective.
Now i do agree with you on the point that the game will have to be sliced in to even thinner slices than the original plan but as you know... NO such plan actually ever make it past the reality check. Is that in turn a breach of contract... I guess i will have to defer to you on that seeing how i have not read up on U-S trade law much beyond the very basics.
But no... I do not think this project is doomed. Mostlyu because it has enough momentum to find funding and they have a MASSIVE amount of wiggleroom when it comes to scaling features up and down...
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Not that anyone could tell you what to do with your money but... well... in the light of the actual debattes (i.e. LoD financial situation) it is questionable.
Are you questioning Mr. Smarts personal choice of transportation? How is this relevant what the man does with his personal income. I honestly don't get the connection at all. Maybe to you that's a small fortune so Mr., Smart is somehow now squandering money, his money I will remind you.
Did I miss something is Mr., Smart running a kick starter campaign and using it to finance his personal "extravagant" lifestyle? Please explain so I can understand where you are coming from.
LOL!! I don't even know anymore man.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Not that anyone could tell you what to do with your money but... well... in the light of the actual debattes (i.e. LoD financial situation) it is questionable.
Are you questioning Mr. Smarts personal choice of transportation? How is this relevant what the man does with his personal income. I honestly don't get the connection at all. Maybe to you that's a small fortune so Mr., Smart is somehow now squandering money, his money I will remind you.
Did I miss something is Mr., Smart running a kick starter campaign and using it to finance his personal "extravagant" lifestyle? Please explain so I can understand where you are coming from.
LOL!! I don't even know anymore man.
I can already see you riding that awesome car and listening to this:
Not that anyone could tell you what to do with your money but... well... in the light of the actual debattes (i.e. LoD financial situation) it is questionable.
Are you questioning Mr. Smarts personal choice of transportation? How is this relevant what the man does with his personal income. I honestly don't get the connection at all. Maybe to you that's a small fortune so Mr., Smart is somehow now squandering money, his money I will remind you.
Did I miss something is Mr., Smart running a kick starter campaign and using it to finance his personal "extravagant" lifestyle? Please explain so I can understand where you are coming from.
LOL!! I don't even know anymore man.
I can already see you riding that awesome car and listening to this:
The game they are now pitching is TECHNOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Period. End of story.
...and this belief is exactly why you've never produced anything but mediocre games at best. Sorry Derek but it's true. Those games we as Gamers remember as the games we loved and some still play to this day are those games that dared to push back the realm of possibility. Those games that gave us that warm fuzzy feeling inside because we knew we were playing something that we didn't think was possible Technologically. Those games that were created by those that dared to challenge the impossible and worked hard to make it possible. Is Star Citizen one of those games? Only time will tell. Has anything you've ever produced over the many years of your career been one of those games? Definitely not.
Bren
Maybe if people stopped taking what I said out of context, we could have a decent discussion.
My point has nothing to do with them trying to do it. No. It has to do with them increasing the scope of the game, beyond what is currently technologically possible, while stringing backers along. And the risk of that is they will
start cutting things out because, well, what I said
run out of money before they can get past the technology hurdles I have outlined
I mean seriously, how hard is this to understand, without getting into semantics and fights?
And my Interstellar Citizens blog was clear about this specific part and even in that blog, I clearly said
this:
Without disrespect to anyone, I’m just going to say it: it is my opinion that, this game, as has been pitched, will neverget made. Ever.
There isn’t a single publisher or developer on this planet who could build this game as pitched, let alone for anything less than $150 million.
The original vision which I backed in 2012? Yes, that was totally doable. This new vision? Not a chance.
The technical scope of this game surpasses GTAV, not to mention the likes of Halo.
Do you have any idea what those games cost to make and how long they took?
Do you know how many games which cost $50 million to make took almost five years to release? And they were nowhere in scope as Star Citizen?
and this:
So I really do hope and pray that RSI can pull this off, because if someone like me, with all my experience and expertise on this very same subject and who has spent half a lifetime trying can’t do it without sacrificing something (visual fidelity, performance, scope etc) in the process, and they, with all this money and star talent can’t do it either, then it’s safe to say that it simply can’t be done. At least not in our lifetime.
I only have one question for you Mr. Smart. Please define Technologically Possible? To me this is such a vague term it can not be defined as technology in itself is an ever expanding concept. This was the entire point of my original post which you apparently either completely missed or maybe in your haste to reply simply misread. What is Technologically Impossible to you may not be to someone working on something you personally may not have dreamed possible. People are pushing back the frontiers of technology every day with new concepts. Sometimes it's something completely new and sometimes it's using existing technology in a way not thought of before. My main point is what is Technologically Impossible to you good sir may not be to someone just a little smarter than yourself.
Galactic Command Echo Squad (2006) Universal Combat CE 2.0 (2009) Universal Combat CE (2007) Universal Combat SE (2006) Universal Combat A World Apart (2005) Universal Combat Gold (2005) Universal Combat (2004) Battlecruiser Millennium: Gold Edition (2003) Battlecruiser Millennium (2001) Battlecruiser 3000AD (v2.0) (1999) Battlecruiser 3000AD (1996) Chris Robters list of games (shortened the Wing Commander games to shorten list) Star Citizen (2016)Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)Freelancer (2003)Wing Commander Series (1990-1994)Times of Lore (1988)Striker's Run (1986)
Enought Said.
Enough said indeed. [mod edit] and of course Roberts has nothing but smashing hits under his names. Well done on this list it perfectly illuminates why nothing Derek has to say should or would be taken seriously.
So yes, Enough said.
*EDIT* Ns how the formatting got so borked, but the point is still valid.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Dear Mr. Smart, based on the information that is freely available on the net about you, such as reviews of your games, your posting history of banning, insulting people and threatening with lawsuits for breakfast, where would you rank yourself on a credibility scale from 1-10, as a succesful genre veteran and self declared Internet Warlord ?
Holy cow, LOL. With that track record and attitude I think the only thing he can demand is a BigMac at McDonalds. Laughable.
Don't know what is going on really besides what I read if its true or not.
1.) I Tried to play Star Citizen, my fear is that the game will be unplayable for most, or possibly only playable on high end hardware, I couldn't even play the flight sim on this computer at the moment wasn't optimized, and other Flight Simulator games works just fine just Star Citizen was unplayable.
2.) The Concept Art of Star Citizen looks great, the game looks great assuming that none of the vaporware rumors are true and the game is actually created and released would be great.
3.) I looked at Line OF Defense myself because the first time of me hearing about it was because of the post made on the Star Citizen forums himself actually promoting his game, the character models look awful, not saying if you are just going for a shooter game it might be great, but for me I am personally looking for something like APB reloaded or better character model wise, customizations, and FPS type / Space type game-play would be great. LOD itself can be okay for a shooter maybe from what I have seen without playing but it looks very low budget.
Attacks on DS's character don't mean anything, he's not the one that crowd sourced $85m for a pipe dream project. Hate on LOD all you like but he funded that himself, he doesn't owe anyone anything.
He's still right. You can white knight this project all you like but you are going to look foolish if this game bombs, which looks entirely possible at this point.
It looks like Erin is trying to salvage a game out of this mess... Again. Expect more and drastic cuts. If coop isn't making it in the single player 'intro', how is the PU going to look?
But seeing how neither the backers or the momentum seems to die down. Who know what the finall budget for the game will be or what features it will entail.
Really, you figured this how? Their funding took a nose dive starting in June, way ahead of my first blog. And it continues in freefall and the July numbers aren't even out yet.
Unless they start making over $3m per month, the project is doomed. Period.
Well... If you look at how the average mob mentality acts and the add a spoon of "patriotism" for the project and a dash of desperation to not look like a fool... Compare that to the F2P market and other KS/IGG campaigns and similar crowdfunding it is not hard to see how this project most likely have more then enough gas left to hit your higher estimate of budget needs. Will it tiake some pleading and scaremongering... Yupp... Is that ethical.. Nope, but it is very effective.
Now i do agree with you on the point that the game will have to be sliced in to even thinner slices than the original plan but as you know... NO such plan actually ever make it past the reality check. Is that in turn a breach of contract... I guess i will have to defer to you on that seeing how i have not read up on U-S trade law much beyond the very basics.
But no... I do not think this project is doomed. Mostlyu because it has enough momentum to find funding and they have a MASSIVE amount of wiggleroom when it comes to scaling features up and down...
Well.. As i said. Should they need they can start putting the squeeze on those factors mentioned. But as you well know... You do not tap those sources until it is actually needed due to the PR backlash. Also i guess we will see a peak after gamescon. How big depends on what they show off.
Note that i have never said that fundings are not slowing down... that is bound to happen. But it is a fairly big lead between that and running out of gas. Then again we are both mostly speculating so i guess time will tell.
I would never listen to a word Smart has to say. His games pissed me off. The fact that he is charging money for the load of crap he just released should be a crime.
However, he may be right in saying CIG cannot possibly deliver everything they have promised.
Recently they just dropped the co-op mode for SQ42, so it looks like they are shedding features as needed.
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Now Erin Roberts is letting it out here and there all quiet like that co-op will be relegated to limited replay's in the Arena Commander mode.
While I support SC, this is a big disappointment to me.
This statement to me, is the deckhand shouting, 'ICEBERG, RIGHT AHEAD!!!!'
Starting with the required disclaimer, I think a turdbag lying on the side of the road has more worth and skill than the petty Mr. Derek SMRT.
With that bit out of the way, while purposefully acting obtuse and not wanting to agree with DSMRT just...becuase, I am more than inclined to call this new religion, christened Star Citizen, a catastrophe in the making.
The fantards can feel free to white knight CR's hubris and his pet project all they want. But the more I read about this game, the more it feels like a benchmark scam to me.
While I dont care enough to argue all the danger signs about this game, I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force. And it leads me to wonder why... (not really though, because the answer is very obvious). His one post has more worth than all of DSMRT's posts and their rebuttals combined in this entire thread, and that post goes without any elaboration or explanation from the SC line backers whatsoever.
Can someone clarify this for me, if what william0532 posted is true. And that Star Citizen is now starting to CUT DOWN on PROMISED features while still raking in money from new backers with lofty promises and goals?
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I would never listen to a word Smart has to say. His games pissed me off. The fact that he is charging money for the load of crap he just released should be a crime.
However, he may be right in saying CIG cannot possibly deliver everything they have promised.
Recently they just dropped the co-op mode for SQ42, so it looks like they are shedding features as needed.
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Now Erin Roberts is letting it out here and there all quiet like that co-op will be relegated to limited replay's in the Arena Commander mode.
While I support SC, this is a big disappointment to me.
This statement to me, is the deckhand shouting, 'ICEBERG, RIGHT AHEAD!!!!'
Starting with the required disclaimer, I think a turdbag lying on the side of the road has more worth and skill than the petty Mr. Derek SMRT.
With that bit out of the way, while purposefully acting obtuse and not wanting to agree with DSMRT just...becuase, I am more than inclined to call this new religion, christened Star Citizen, a catastrophe in the making.
The fantards can feel free to white knight CR's hubris and his pet project all they want. But the more I read about this game, the more it feels like a benchmark scam to me.
While I dont care enough to argue all the danger signs about this game, I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force. And it leads me to wonder why... (not really though, because the answer is very obvious). His one post has more worth than all of DSMRT's posts and their rebuttals combined in this entire thread, and that post goes without any elaboration or explanation from the SC line backers whatsoever.
Can someone clarify this for me, if what william0532 posted is true. And that Star Citizen is now starting to CUT DOWN on PROMISED features while still raking in money from new backers with lofty promises and goals?
I personally think it was ignored because I can condense his post and yours as follows:
"Oh my god they cut one feature out of hundreds! The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
While I dont care enough to argue all the danger signs about this game, I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force. And it leads me to wonder why... (not really though, because the answer is very obvious). His one post has more worth than all of DSMRT's posts and their rebuttals combined in this entire thread, and that post goes without any elaboration or explanation from the SC line backers whatsoever.
Can someone clarify this for me, if what william0532 posted is true. And that Star Citizen is now starting to CUT DOWN on PROMISED features while still raking in money from new backers with lofty promises and goals?
Sounds like someone missed me ;-)
Sorry that i cannot instantly listen and answer to any wisdom coming from your lips (fingers ?), because I was too busy these last days preparing a Mars landing simulation together with experts from NASA, ESA and Russia (19 nations in total) on a block glacier. And - as you may suspect - there are not that many high speed data cables at 2700 m altitude, so i rather sent data to the PIs than reply to your posts on MMORPG.com.
W.r.t. to william0532's posts .... the co-op feature will still be in the game. It just looks different than what some people expected (Co-op in SIM mode available, but not in the solo campaign). Erin Roberts clarified this point recently.
I does not surprise me, that in a SOLO campaign with a cinematic storyline there will be only limited possibilities for other players to interfere with the story. IMHO the word SOLO does imply just that. You can STILL relive that moment with your friends ( and/or enemies) in SIM mode in your Simpod - to your hearts content.
I personally think it was ignored because I can condense his post and yours as follows:
"Oh my god they cut one feature out of hundreds! The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
That just about sums it up nicely.
Oh and...
Have fun!
Bren
Is that that best you can do? Pathetic.
Rather than give an explanation in their defence or provide some source to refute the poster's claim, you just pull out a strawman argument and completely miss the point while you attempt to (feebly) troll me. If you were trying to earn brownie points with the faithful, you not only failed to do so but also made a complete fool of yourself.
And in case you cant see past your blinders, the poster who I quoted openly admits that he is a Star Citizen supporter. But I guess its a dog eat dog world out there in the church of Chris(t) Roberts, because the second anyone of the flock question the Dear Leader's vision, he is branded a heretic and spat on by the rest of the fanatics.
If you fail to grasp the gravity of the situation, where Erin Roberts is very secretively talking about cutting back on PROMISED features while Chris Roberts is simultaneously doling out new spaceship jpegs, more promises and pipedreams to entice new /old backers into pledging (more) into their game rather than first delivering what they promised...then you sadly lack the intellect to have any coherent argument with. If they have to "cut one feature out of hundreds", then why does Chris Roberts promise them in the first place rather than just promise what they can achieve and deliver the 50 odd features which they can actually deliver? Oh, is it because he needs to more money for New features (amongst other things) while the old promised ones very stealthily get shit-canned?
You have failed to sufficiently white knight this game today. Perhaps try again another time after pointing out the obvious to that oblivious guy you see in the mirror.
My question still stands because I want to know, has Chris Roberts put out some statement (like that chairman post or whatever) repeating what Erin states about cutting down on features?
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I was banned for pointing out the obvious faults in a game 2 months before it released. Now after release, repeating the very same words from back then would be like preaching to the choir on this site.
Time of your (Erillion's) next post : 7/31/15 2:10:17 PM.
Your colourful, irrelevant stories/delusions notwithstanding, you did indeed very conveniently skim over his post and avoid commenting on the sticky matter for as long as you could. And since you failed at reading my post before running into your battlestation, this is what I wrote in my initial post:
"I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force."
It wasnt MY post that you cant provide an answer to, ASAP or whenever, but it was william0532's post. And you did, according to your story, reply to someone else's post after william0532's post rather than send data to your Pls. Maybe next time around you should cut down on the fiction and give a more joke-free explanation for your avoidance?
But I guess if anyone would know from the wall-of-text Star Citizen text releases, it would be you. So try to put aside your spin-doctor remedies for a moment and answer in plain English, which feature is Erin Roberts talking about cutting down on? Is that particular Co-op play going to be exactly (or more in scope) as Chris Roberts promised in the kickstarter videos or is it now somehow 'less' from his promise from back then? Explain please, thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by adamlotus75 Continue to attack Smart, continue to miss the point. He has a lot of good points.
Smart also knows industry insiders. He will know a lot more than any of us about what is happening. For example he was the only guy that noticed that CR had hired his wife to senior management!
So? Erin Roberts (his brother) has been involved in many previous games. He is VERY capable. A good Choice and now involved in Squadron 42 for SC.
If his wife is capable, I don´t see anything wrong with it.
Did you know that Sierra was a Family business too (married couple)? Or Cyan, Inc. (Brothers)? Releasing many fantastic games in their time! True classics still being played today.
Did you also know that some of the most recognized fantasy artists of all time is a married couple, painting together?
So what´s your point again? As long as people are capable, I don´t see what the fuzz is all about.
Originally posted by adamlotus75 Continue to attack Smart, continue to miss the point. He has a lot of good points.
Smart also knows industry insiders. He will know a lot more than any of us about what is happening. For example he was the only guy that noticed that CR had hired his wife to senior management!
So? Erin Roberts (his sister) has been involved in many previous games. She is VERY capable. A good Choice and now involved in Squadron 42 for SC.
She? Correct me if I'm wrong but Erin Roberts is male.
Originally posted by adamlotus75 Continue to attack Smart, continue to miss the point. He has a lot of good points.
Smart also knows industry insiders. He will know a lot more than any of us about what is happening. For example he was the only guy that noticed that CR had hired his wife to senior management!
So? Erin Roberts (his sister) has been involved in many previous games. She is VERY capable. A good Choice and now involved in Squadron 42 for SC.
She? Correct me if I'm wrong but Erin Roberts is male.
People throwing around words like "White-Knighting", "Black Knighting" have mostly no proper arguments.
"Hey I heard a word that fits my view and opinion.... let´s use it all the time if my arguments are weak."
It´s so easy and lame to call everyone who has a different opinion "White/Black Knight".
And that there are still people (or many alt accounts of Mr. Smart) defending Mr. Smarts actions and behavior. I can understand it (from a psychological POV) but still shake my head when I see the hate in between the lines (be it Mr. Smarts own posts/ alt accounts (the writing style is so easy to compare) or his followers).
Yes OF COURSE people that believe in SC defend it and sometimes this might be poisoning too.
But I believe in SC more than ever. After Mr. Smart reappeared and bragged about SC and Mr. Roberts I digged myself into SC information. And the amount of information is far beyond anything that has ever happened during the development of a game before. And I started having interest in gaming since 1984 and therefore have seen one or two games beeing developed, promoted, etc.
Fact is:
There are always haters! Changing minds over the internet is sadly a rare occurance. I have no problems admitting mistakes or misunderstanding someones POV mostly due to emotional posting.
But I have never seen haters or negative people changing their opinion on the internet. Even if the evidences are right in front of their eyes.
Originally posted by adamlotus75 Continue to attack Smart, continue to miss the point. He has a lot of good points.
Smart also knows industry insiders. He will know a lot more than any of us about what is happening. For example he was the only guy that noticed that CR had hired his wife to senior management!
So? Erin Roberts (his sister) has been involved in many previous games. She is VERY capable. A good Choice and now involved in Squadron 42 for SC.
She? Correct me if I'm wrong but Erin Roberts is male.
Ugh typo. corrected.
yeah that wasn't a typo, that was you pretending to act like you knew something when you didn't and getting caught up in your ***********
People throwing around words like "White-Knighting", "Black Knighting" have mostly no proper arguments.
"Hey I heard a word that fits my view and opinion.... let´s use it all the time if my arguments are weak."
It´s so easy and lame to call everyone who has a different opinion "White/Black Knight".
And that there are still people (or many alt accounts of Mr. Smart) defending Mr. Smarts actions and behavior. I can understand it (from a psychological POV) but still shake my head when I see the hate in between the lines (be it Mr. Smarts own posts/ alt accounts (the writing style is so easy to compare) or his followers).
Yes OF COURSE people that believe in SC defend it and sometimes this might be poisoning too.
But I believe in SC more than ever. After Mr. Smart reappeared and bragged about SC and Mr. Roberts I digged myself into SC information. And the amount of information is far beyond anything that has ever happened during the development of a game before. And I started having interest in gaming since 1984 and therefore have seen one or two games beeing developed, promoted, etc.
Fact is:
There are always haters! Changing minds over the internet is sadly a rare occurance. I have no problems admitting mistakes or misunderstanding someones POV mostly due to emotional posting.
But I have never seen haters or negative people changing their opinion on the internet. Even if the evidences are right in front of their eyes.
you found all the informations? but what is there to show for it, i can promise a game and deliver heaps of information and concept art... doesn't mean there is a game at the end of the day.
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Im looking forward to SC getting to a point with the game that ill be comfortable giving them money, I had heard about SC and kinda new about it, but thanks to Smart and his bull !%$#, I learned a bit more about the game and I am excited. Thanks Smart, in the long run I think Smart will drum up more positive press for the game then negative...
Not according to these metrics
http://imgur.com/SOLX6bR
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
LOL!! I don't even know anymore man.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
I can already see you riding that awesome car and listening to this:
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Wonder who is hating?
Me Derek? No I don´t hate. The best thing is feeling pity somehow for someone.
Maybe Derek is hating Star Citizen?
DS sees SC rollin,
he´s hatin, patrolling the forums while continuously trollin,
He tries to catch up but keeps failin
He tries to catch up but keeps failin
He tries to catch up but keeps failin
He tries to catch up but keeps failin
I only have one question for you Mr. Smart. Please define Technologically Possible? To me this is such a vague term it can not be defined as technology in itself is an ever expanding concept. This was the entire point of my original post which you apparently either completely missed or maybe in your haste to reply simply misread. What is Technologically Impossible to you may not be to someone working on something you personally may not have dreamed possible. People are pushing back the frontiers of technology every day with new concepts. Sometimes it's something completely new and sometimes it's using existing technology in a way not thought of before. My main point is what is Technologically Impossible to you good sir may not be to someone just a little smarter than yourself.
Bren
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Enough said indeed. [mod edit] and of course Roberts has nothing but smashing hits under his names. Well done on this list it perfectly illuminates why nothing Derek has to say should or would be taken seriously.
So yes, Enough said.
*EDIT* Ns how the formatting got so borked, but the point is still valid.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Holy cow, LOL. With that track record and attitude I think the only thing he can demand is a BigMac at McDonalds. Laughable.
Derek Smart's campaign has lost momentum faster than Star Citizen has lost new backers.
With that being said, it sounds like they have way too many people working on SC for it to be even remotely efficient.
Don't know what is going on really besides what I read if its true or not.
1.) I Tried to play Star Citizen, my fear is that the game will be unplayable for most, or possibly only playable on high end hardware, I couldn't even play the flight sim on this computer at the moment wasn't optimized, and other Flight Simulator games works just fine just Star Citizen was unplayable.
2.) The Concept Art of Star Citizen looks great, the game looks great assuming that none of the vaporware rumors are true and the game is actually created and released would be great.
3.) I looked at Line OF Defense myself because the first time of me hearing about it was because of the post made on the Star Citizen forums himself actually promoting his game, the character models look awful, not saying if you are just going for a shooter game it might be great, but for me I am personally looking for something like APB reloaded or better character model wise, customizations, and FPS type / Space type game-play would be great. LOD itself can be okay for a shooter maybe from what I have seen without playing but it looks very low budget.
He's still right. You can white knight this project all you like but you are going to look foolish if this game bombs, which looks entirely possible at this point.
It looks like Erin is trying to salvage a game out of this mess... Again. Expect more and drastic cuts. If coop isn't making it in the single player 'intro', how is the PU going to look?
Well.. As i said. Should they need they can start putting the squeeze on those factors mentioned. But as you well know... You do not tap those sources until it is actually needed due to the PR backlash. Also i guess we will see a peak after gamescon. How big depends on what they show off.
Note that i have never said that fundings are not slowing down... that is bound to happen. But it is a fairly big lead between that and running out of gas. Then again we are both mostly speculating so i guess time will tell.
This have been a good conversation
This statement to me, is the deckhand shouting, 'ICEBERG, RIGHT AHEAD!!!!'
Starting with the required disclaimer, I think a turdbag lying on the side of the road has more worth and skill than the petty Mr. Derek SMRT.
With that bit out of the way, while purposefully acting obtuse and not wanting to agree with DSMRT just...becuase, I am more than inclined to call this new religion, christened Star Citizen, a catastrophe in the making.
The fantards can feel free to white knight CR's hubris and his pet project all they want. But the more I read about this game, the more it feels like a benchmark scam to me.
While I dont care enough to argue all the danger signs about this game, I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force. And it leads me to wonder why... (not really though, because the answer is very obvious). His one post has more worth than all of DSMRT's posts and their rebuttals combined in this entire thread, and that post goes without any elaboration or explanation from the SC line backers whatsoever.
Can someone clarify this for me, if what william0532 posted is true. And that Star Citizen is now starting to CUT DOWN on PROMISED features while still raking in money from new backers with lofty promises and goals?
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Now after release, repeating the very same words from back then would be like preaching to the choir on this site.
I personally think it was ignored because I can condense his post and yours as follows:
"Oh my god they cut one feature out of hundreds! The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
That just about sums it up nicely.
Oh and...
Have fun!
Bren
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Sounds like someone missed me ;-)
Sorry that i cannot instantly listen and answer to any wisdom coming from your lips (fingers ?), because I was too busy these last days preparing a Mars landing simulation together with experts from NASA, ESA and Russia (19 nations in total) on a block glacier. And - as you may suspect - there are not that many high speed data cables at 2700 m altitude, so i rather sent data to the PIs than reply to your posts on MMORPG.com.
W.r.t. to william0532's posts .... the co-op feature will still be in the game. It just looks different than what some people expected (Co-op in SIM mode available, but not in the solo campaign). Erin Roberts clarified this point recently.
I does not surprise me, that in a SOLO campaign with a cinematic storyline there will be only limited possibilities for other players to interfere with the story. IMHO the word SOLO does imply just that. You can STILL relive that moment with your friends ( and/or enemies) in SIM mode in your Simpod - to your hearts content.
Have fun
Is that that best you can do? Pathetic.
Rather than give an explanation in their defence or provide some source to refute the poster's claim, you just pull out a strawman argument and completely miss the point while you attempt to (feebly) troll me. If you were trying to earn brownie points with the faithful, you not only failed to do so but also made a complete fool of yourself.
And in case you cant see past your blinders, the poster who I quoted openly admits that he is a Star Citizen supporter. But I guess its a dog eat dog world out there in the church of Chris(t) Roberts, because the second anyone of the flock question the Dear Leader's vision, he is branded a heretic and spat on by the rest of the fanatics.
If you fail to grasp the gravity of the situation, where Erin Roberts is very secretively talking about cutting back on PROMISED features while Chris Roberts is simultaneously doling out new spaceship jpegs, more promises and pipedreams to entice new /old backers into pledging (more) into their game rather than first delivering what they promised...then you sadly lack the intellect to have any coherent argument with. If they have to "cut one feature out of hundreds", then why does Chris Roberts promise them in the first place rather than just promise what they can achieve and deliver the 50 odd features which they can actually deliver? Oh, is it because he needs to more money for New features (amongst other things) while the old promised ones very stealthily get shit-canned?
You have failed to sufficiently white knight this game today. Perhaps try again another time after pointing out the obvious to that oblivious guy you see in the mirror.
My question still stands because I want to know, has Chris Roberts put out some statement (like that chairman post or whatever) repeating what Erin states about cutting down on features?
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Now after release, repeating the very same words from back then would be like preaching to the choir on this site.
well, here is one demand FOR derek smart:
make a good game before you start to tell real game designers what to do.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Time of william0532's post : 7/30/15 5:25:53 PM.
Time of your (Erillion's) next post : 7/31/15 2:10:17 PM.
Your colourful, irrelevant stories/delusions notwithstanding, you did indeed very conveniently skim over his post and avoid commenting on the sticky matter for as long as you could. And since you failed at reading my post before running into your battlestation, this is what I wrote in my initial post:
"I cant help but point out that william0532's post was oh so conveniently ignored by havefun havefun havefun havefun and the rest of the star citizen defence force."
It wasnt MY post that you cant provide an answer to, ASAP or whenever, but it was william0532's post. And you did, according to your story, reply to someone else's post after william0532's post rather than send data to your Pls. Maybe next time around you should cut down on the fiction and give a more joke-free explanation for your avoidance?
But I guess if anyone would know from the wall-of-text Star Citizen text releases, it would be you. So try to put aside your spin-doctor remedies for a moment and answer in plain English, which feature is Erin Roberts talking about cutting down on? Is that particular Co-op play going to be exactly (or more in scope) as Chris Roberts promised in the kickstarter videos or is it now somehow 'less' from his promise from back then? Explain please, thanks in advance.
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So? Erin Roberts (his brother) has been involved in many previous games. He is VERY capable. A good Choice and now involved in Squadron 42 for SC.
If his wife is capable, I don´t see anything wrong with it.
Did you know that Sierra was a Family business too (married couple)? Or Cyan, Inc. (Brothers)? Releasing many fantastic games in their time! True classics still being played today.
Did you also know that some of the most recognized fantasy artists of all time is a married couple, painting together?
So what´s your point again? As long as people are capable, I don´t see what the fuzz is all about.
She? Correct me if I'm wrong but Erin Roberts is male.
Ugh typo. corrected.
People throwing around words like "White-Knighting", "Black Knighting" have mostly no proper arguments.
"Hey I heard a word that fits my view and opinion.... let´s use it all the time if my arguments are weak."
It´s so easy and lame to call everyone who has a different opinion "White/Black Knight".
And that there are still people (or many alt accounts of Mr. Smart) defending Mr. Smarts actions and behavior. I can understand it (from a psychological POV) but still shake my head when I see the hate in between the lines (be it Mr. Smarts own posts/ alt accounts (the writing style is so easy to compare) or his followers).
Yes OF COURSE people that believe in SC defend it and sometimes this might be poisoning too.
But I believe in SC more than ever. After Mr. Smart reappeared and bragged about SC and Mr. Roberts I digged myself into SC information. And the amount of information is far beyond anything that has ever happened during the development of a game before. And I started having interest in gaming since 1984 and therefore have seen one or two games beeing developed, promoted, etc.
Fact is:
There are always haters! Changing minds over the internet is sadly a rare occurance. I have no problems admitting mistakes or misunderstanding someones POV mostly due to emotional posting.
But I have never seen haters or negative people changing their opinion on the internet. Even if the evidences are right in front of their eyes.
http://personalityspirituality.net/articles/the-michael-teachings/chief-features/stubbornness/
yeah that wasn't a typo, that was you pretending to act like you knew something when you didn't and getting caught up in your ***********
you found all the informations? but what is there to show for it, i can promise a game and deliver heaps of information and concept art... doesn't mean there is a game at the end of the day.