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up to 1k euro gaming pc (LF help)
MrMonolitas
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Hello,
I'm writing here after few years, because i need your help again. It's time to build new pc which i mostly will use for gaming. Dont need ultra graphics on every single game. I just want to run it without a problem, i dont care about AA or something similar. But i want it to be enough powerful for my needs. If it will run fallout 4, witcher 3 on high settings i would be really happy.
Anyway, i made this build without mouse, monitor, keyboard. Most of the things i already have. Im planning to get cheaper monitor at the moment, till g sync monitors get cheaper. Or even get 3 monitors, it needs SLI? Which is not an option.
Also i was reading about new cpu sky lake which going to be released this year? Should i wait? Will it be affordable?
Everything is roughly 900 euros.
I chose 960 because its cheaper and i might be upgrading it next year, as someone said new cards going to get released at 2016.
Mostly i want this pc to work properly without any problems, no bottle necks or so. I don't have too much knowledge on these kind of things, so i ask your help and feedback. You helped me last time with my laptop.
Im hyped about this build, since i finally can afford this. It was my dream ! haha
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I would strongly advise against getting that CPU. The point of getting an Intel CPU rather than AMD is that you can get something faster. But if the clock speed tops out at a mere 3.3 GHz, it's not that much faster. Either save some money and get an AMD CPU or else spend more for a higher clocked version, most likely a Core i5-4690 or -4690K. On your budget, the latter, meaning, a faster Intel CPU, is probably the sensible thing to do.
I also don't see any need to spend that much on a motherboard. You can get a perfectly good motherboard for much cheaper.
That's a very small case, and not what I'd recommend for a gaming rig unless the small form factor is a high priority for you. And if the small form factor is a high priority, you need to build around it. A high-powered gaming card with an internal exhaust cooler in a case with only one fan is a bad idea.
The reason G-sync monitors are expensive is that, in order to support G-sync, monitor manufacturers have to buy a $100 hardware module from Nvidia. Once various companies involved take their markup, that adds about $150 to the retail cost.
There's an easy solution to this: go with adaptive sync instead. That adds no hardware cost beyond making a nice monitor, and it does the same thing as G-sync using an industry standard. Several AMD GPU chips support adaptive sync (AMD calls it "Free-sync"), and Nvidia will probably support it eventually. But for now, they're trying to get more G-sync monitors out there because they like vendor lock-in.
Windows 10 is coming next week, and rumors say Sky Lake will launch next month. I'm expecting Sky Lake to be a little faster than Haswell, but not a lot. That's just guessing, though. It's highly probable that Sky Lake will be lower power than Haswell. Personally, I'm waiting for it.
Personally with 900€ I'd go for an
Intel i7 4790 ~300€
and either AMD 290 ( ~290€) or Nvidia 970 (~320€)
About 300€ left that can be spend on Ram, Mainboard and Power. Mainboard is about 100€ and Ram about 60€ which leaves enough for a decent power supply. + case. With this setup you can play most stuff on high for the next year and medium for next 3-4 years. Besides if you want to upgrade, the CPU is strong enough to keep up for the time and you would just need a new GFX.
If you live in EU try Geizhals.at to find good prices. They offer the option for delivery across all of EU.
edit: I wouldn't give too much into the Skylake because once you feel the need to update your CPU there will be <10nm processors available. 10nm is planned for afaik 2017 while IBM announced a 7nm prodcedure a few weeks ago so that might be available in 2019 which might be the time to upgrade your CPU. Unless you are set on low power consumtion imho there is no need to wait.
What kind of mother board should i get then? what it has to have? what is the best option for it?
If there are few parts that are little bit more expensive, but gives you significant power, i would be willing to pay for it. In other words if its worth value, my budged is flexible.
About the case, i will change this one for sure, but what size do i need to get to not over heat the thing. and probably i would get a extra cooler if needed.
I might go for nvidia 970 since it seems the best option for the value of money? 980 is too expensive for sure.
What about rams? should i get 1 stick 8 gb or 2 sticks 4gb? Since i heard games use only one stick and not two?
P.S. I found this website, where they show builds which are compatible. Can i trust it?
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
For Intel: I would look for a Z97-based motherboard in the same form factor as your case (mATX for a mATX case, ATX for an ATX case). I like Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI brands - some people recommend AsRock since they are usually a bit less expensive and perform well (although they are of notably lesser construction).
Past that - make sure it has the features you want: You probably don't really need SLI support, you probably don't really need on-board WiFi (can get it much cheaper as a USB option), you probably do want on-board sound, you may or may not want the nifty OCing LCD widget, etc.
Once you whittle out the features you need versus don't need, the motherboards get a lot cheaper, and there isn't a lot of difference in how they will run (except perhaps in the extreme overclocking area)
Then going to RAM:
The Intel Socket 1150 CPU is dual-channel, meaning you want to always have your DIMMs in pairs. So ifd you wanted 8G total, you would install 2x4G (recommended), or 4x2G.
I would recommend getting a case that comes with multiple fans and can support normal ATX motherboards. Micro-ATX support only is okay, but Mini-ITX is not unless small form factor is a high priority for you.
Is there some particular site that you're trying to buy from? I can often pick out parts for people since I happen to know that some things are good or bad, and pick things that are a good value that day. If parts A and B are equivalent in functionality, but one of them is $100 and the other is $80, you'd rather get the $80 part and save money. But the one that is cheaper today might be more expensive in a month.
Well, but wifi is convenient thing to have integrated. My usb ports already are stuffed.
Is it worth getting 2x8gb cards for my range computer tho?
And Quizzical i was looking into www.newegg.com/global/nl/ It seems that they finally started shipping to netherlands. And prices is pretty good as far as im concerned. So probably ill use newegg!
On New Egg's US site, it says what they charge for shipping. On their Netherlands site, I don't see it. I doubt that shipping is free, but it's something you should definitely look into before placing an order. I'm also not sure how they handle taxes; the US doesn't have a VAT like most European countries do.
If you want a decently cheap case with plenty of space and airflow and all of the commonly used features, this will do:
http://www.newegg.com/global/nl/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147183
You've got the budget to fit a very nice power supply if you want it, such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/global/nl/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151136
For a motherboard, you can get something plenty nice for a whole lot cheaper than you were looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/global/nl/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130772
And for a processor, you want a Core i5-4690 or -4690K. The K version allows overclocking, but costs a bit more:
http://www.newegg.com/global/nl/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372
Assuming you mean memory, 8 GB total is plenty unless you have unusual needs. You do want two modules, as otherwise, you cut your memory bandwidth in half for no good reason, but you want two 4 GB modules.
Yes, i looked into it, thanks... It would cost me much more than ordering from local stores. It is kind of funny...
I made a new build:
Case: € 77,74
Fractal design, looks pretty cool, and have everything that i need in a case. Seem to have good airflow.
https://azerty.nl/0-1044-622146/fractal-design-arc-midi-r2-.html
CPU: € 314,60
Intel Core i7-4790 - Boxed .
No over cloaking, do you think its a good choise for i7?
Video card: € 367,20
MSI GeForce GTX 970 - Gaming - 4GB GDDR5
there are cheaper versions of this card tho...
Motherboard: € 133,10
MSI Z97 GAMING 3
Power supply: € 74,40
Seasonic S12G-450
Storage: € 53,60
Seagate 1TB SATA HDD
Will trasfer my laptop ssd to my pc and will use it as system drive.
RAM: € 97,80
Kingston Technology FURY Black 16GB 1866MHz DDR3
i chose 16gb because i play around with video editing programs. I think i had to mention that in the first place.
everything would cost me €1118.44 without a monitor.
Anything i could change for a cheaper price?
Still not sure if i should go for i5 and nvidia 960 or even radeon. or this build. Is it worth paying more in this case?
If you do a lot of video editing, the i7 may be a worthwhile upgrade from the i5. For gaming, the two are nearly identical and it's just a waste of money though.
For video cards with the same chip, the difference in price is usually due to aftermarket coolers or factory overclocks. Some coolers are better than others with respect to noise/temperature/exhaust paths/etc. The factory overclock is usually something small you can do yourself on nearly any card. To sum this paragraph up: I wouldn't pay extra for a factory overclock, but depending on the cooler, I may pay extra for a good cooler.
For video cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU15/1248
This is the site I use for comparison, it's not the best, but it has a broad array of different benchmarks and it lets you drop down compare between a pair of video cards (if they are in their database).
If you are driving a single monitor at 1080p (or less), a 960 is good for today's games at High (although maybe not MAX MAX), and probably decent enough for the next couple of years. The 970 is good for up to around 1440p. There are also AMD equivalents that may be found, and I'm sure there are outlier games, I'm just giving a very general approximation. Only you can decide if the price difference between the two is worth the difference in performance.
I haven't posted here in awhile but I do check in from time to time. I personally love small form factor (SFF) systems but if you don't need or specifically desire one the increased options that larger form factors provide is definitely worth it.
The main reason I decided to jump in this thread was I noticed you listed a 450 watt PSU. While you can certainly run your system based on the hardware you chose with that PSU I wouldn't recommend it. Normally one would only choose that amount of wattage based on size limitation such as a SFF PSU for a SFF case, or for a system that doesn't have an overly powerful/power hungry GPU.
I suggest you look at 550 watt or higher PSU, similar to the one Quiz linked, for the type of system your wanting to build. The extra wattage will allow for overclocking should you desire to go that route. With a 450 watt PSU, that is simply not an option. I know because that is what is in my SFF system.
450 W is lower than I'd want on a power supply for a potent gaming rig. You certainly don't need something ridiculous like 1000 W, but I'd usually look for something a little higher than that.
You can get a decent enough case and motherboard for cheaper if you'd like to save money there:
https://azerty.nl/8-1044-666612/antec-gx500-midtowermodel.html
http://www.afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=1956111
That would give you 8 rear USB ports, plus two front ports, which should be plenty.
There's also this, if you'd like to save some money on the power supply:
http://www.afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=1106979
Decent, but not as good as Seasonic's G-series.
I agree on the CPU. Get the overclockable i5 (4690K), as even if you are uncomfortable with overclocking manually, most boards will do a safe one automatically, and it can provide a big benefit in some games.
8GB RAM is plenty. I have 16GB on my system because I run virtual machines a lot, but even with a VM running a second OS I'm usually below 8GB usage.
I had another look at the power supplies on that site and found this:
http://www.afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=494966
Basically a modular version of the S12G, and a little cheaper than the S12G of the same wattage.
I'm not a fan of automatic overclocks. They tend to not be tuned very well, but rather use too much voltage for the clock speed they settle on, which puts more stress on the system than necessary.
So i made probably my final build? unless you have good arguments
with fractal design case its 999.44 euros!
) I might still go for fractal design case since it looks very slick and minimalistic.
Thanks for suggestions quiz, i changed that motherboard to this one because i saw comparisons of tho and its basically the same. altho it doesnt have cpu 4 pin cooler connector? not going to be a problem?
I settled with 8gb ram aswell.
So does this look decent enough?
that build looks close to fine I would personally just go with close to 50% more power then you need from a reputable brand like corsair power supply 750 watt gold. gold is wastes like 10% less power daily/second so in a year it well pays for the small difference in price. the 960 oc is like 190 thats only like 40 wat i would reccommend as probably the most you should spend for best price to preformance ratio. The mere 150 bucks you could nit pick over the motherboard is probably not really worth it.
There are some barebone cheaper motherboard options if you wanna spend more time looking for but youll lose the nice color window artwork and probably a couple heatsinks and some overclocking benchmarks.
And the cpus honestly you can overclock just about anything to comparable speeds of 4.4 4770k speeds. And the new processors will be clocked the same 4.4 out of the box so its not even a huge upgrade. And dd4 is still a couple years out. And beyond that another 3 year window, 5 years out could put us close to super computer in common household territory. And ssd's still don't offer enough storage to make the money worth it unless you need the speed for work that actually pays.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131979&cm_re=z87-_-13-131-979-_-Product
120 dollars
ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Tom's Hardware Smart Buy Award
110
ASUS GRYPHON Z87 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard
If you mean the Fractal 304 case of the initial build, you should be aware that most motherboards will not physically fit inside that case. The Gigabyte motherboard I linked is an ATX motherboard, so you need a case that can handle an ATX motherboard. If you wanted to get a Micro ATX motherboard and a Micro ATX case, that would work. But Mini ITX is tiny and should be avoided unless the small form factor is a high priority for you.
Sorry wasnt clear enough. i wanted to go arc case mid tower from 2nd build. You guys gave me more than enough arguments not to get small case.
And im pretty sure 550w psu will be enough.
BTW What monitor would you suggest? Dont want to spend too much on it. I heard benq have really nice monitors. im looking into 1080p monitors i guess.
was looking into this
Benq RL2755HM
Unless you want to overclock just for the sake of overclocking, you should stay away for K series CPU, the performance gain isn't worthy the cost paired with overclocking.
You can get same results for much better value, prices taken fron newegg NL:
i5-4590s
Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H
GSkill Aegis DDR3 1600MHz 2x4GB
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Seasonic S121II 520W
Asus Turbo GTX970 OC 4GB
NZXT H320
Total: 766
There is still plenty of room left for some "perks" (modular power supply, larger SSD, aftermarket cooler(s) - a must for K CPU !, etc.) if you wish to spent your entire budget or you can use the money to buy better monitor or you can just save some nice sum of money.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wgVRt6
This is the direction I would go if I had $1k for a new game rig, I'm not sure what it would cost in euro but if it comes out over I think dropping the 980 for 970 should make it attainable under 1k.
Why I chose these parts for a Gaming PC (emphasis on G-Sync):
- The FX 6300 is a very capable CPU for a gaming PC the brunt of the work will be handled by the GPU.
- The mobo has 2 x16 slots for SLI upgrade ability
- The PSU is overkill atm but it is SLI ready
The key point of this build is to upgrade by adding components instead of replacing parts. ie: instead of changing out a 960 for a later card you can add another 980 when they drop in price for SLI performance.
Quizzical, what kind of amd cpu would you suggest instead of 4440 then? It seems that 4440 has almost same performance as 4690, it differs, really not by much. Altho, with k version you need a pcu cooler where you going to spend even more. Changed my build many times now. Does it really worth buying 4690k when you can go with 4440 +970 gpu and get 97 motherboard for later on upgrades. And indeed save more money for, monitor or something else.
I guess im really picky buyer.
The Core i5-4440 and -4690 are the same chip, but merely clocked differently. Their max turbo boosts are 3.3 GHz and 3.9 GHz, respectively. That makes the latter about 18% faster than the former. If you're going to pay a price premium for a faster CPU, then you want to get a faster CPU.
For AMD, the usual budget gaming CPU is an FX-6300. It's slower than a Core i5-4440, yes, but it's a lot cheaper. My argument basically amounts to, on this graph, don't buy a red dot.
On your budget, I'd get the Core i5-4690 or 4690K, depending on your interest in overclocking. It fits your budget, and for gaming purposes, we're seeing very slow gains, so a nice processor now might last a very long time. GPUs are still advancing steadily, so a CPU you buy today might still be nice in five years, while a GPU is probably going to feel awfully dated by then.
Now that I'm looking more closely at your graph Quiz, shouldn't it be more like a exponential function rather than a square root function?
I mean, if you actually plotted price versus some benchmark number or something, that's one thing, but in my non-scientific experience, the price tends goes up pretty steeply at the performance end of the pool.
You also want to know what upgrade path you want to take. Do you want to SLI/Xfire for triple monitor setup or are you going to go for one single powerful GPU to manage the load? If you are going SLI/Xfire route you'll need to have a PSU that can handle the dual GPU load as well as have a Mobo that will be efficient enough to SLI/Xfire properly. You will also need a powerful enough PSU if you are going with a powerful single GPU set up - don't get caught short on your power supply.
Last thing you want to do is change out a 550w PSU for a higher rated PSU on dual GPU or single high end GPU set up. Also, for two GPUs you will want to have a mobo that can support them with 2 PCIe x16 slots instead of 2 PCIe x8.