I love guild wars 2 and no I do not have an agenda but elite specs sound o close to pay to win.

moonbound

Technically it sounds like you get more passives beyond just level 80 and an elite spec, people can say it is just different but if that is all they are then why are they called elite? And they plan to release more. So basically other players pvp and pve who have the expac will have an advantage over others, maybe I am wrong and I certainly hope so and I do own the game I am just concerned about balance, and please do not use other mmos as an example like wow, expacs in other mmorpgs were not pay to win because you needed certain gear to do the new content anyways so it was not likely you would raid with those people who already have the gear for older content.

Realizer

 You will get the Elite spec even if you don't purchase HoT, the only thing you don't get is the Revenant class, new HoT pve areas, and items from those areas. That being said, many of the Elite specs aren't as good in PvP as the builds players have used for a while now. You will even get access to the new WvW zone without buying the Xpac.

 Also in Spvp gear is irrelevant anyway, as the stats don't matter. Only in WvW will raid geared people have a slight advantage, but it's the same way now with ascended vs exotics. 

azurrei

Realizer said:

 You will get the Elite spec even if you don't purchase HoT, the only thing you don't get is the Revenant class, new HoT pve areas, and items from those areas. That being said, many of the Elite specs aren't as good in PvP as the builds players have used for a while now. You will even get access to the new WvW zone without buying the Xpac.

 Also in Spvp gear is irrelevant anyway, as the stats don't matter. Only in WvW will raid geared people have a slight advantage, but it's the same way now with ascended vs exotics. 

while true, masteries not being available to F2P is more of an issue, specifically fractal mastery (or any future mastery added that might effect sPvP or WvW) as most only effect expansion content.

Realizer

azurrei said:

Realizer said:

 You will get the Elite spec even if you don't purchase HoT, the only thing you don't get is the Revenant class, new HoT pve areas, and items from those areas. That being said, many of the Elite specs aren't as good in PvP as the builds players have used for a while now. You will even get access to the new WvW zone without buying the Xpac.

 Also in Spvp gear is irrelevant anyway, as the stats don't matter. Only in WvW will raid geared people have a slight advantage, but it's the same way now with ascended vs exotics. 

while true, masteries not being available to F2P is more of an issue, specifically fractal mastery (or any future mastery added that might effect sPvP or WvW) as most only effect expansion content.

 Well as they said in the live stream they have no plans to make mastery for pvp, WvW zones. Mastery is a way for them to bring new mechanics to pve. If they do ever add pvp/wvw ones I'd imagine it would be far down the line, after more people have had a chance to buy the Xpac. Keep in mind the game is still not intended to be a completely F2P title, they are still counting on people who enjoy the game purchasing HoT. They should have called it the unlimited trial, not f2p.

Chrisbox

Every game in the history of ever that has released an expansion means that people who buy it will get to progress further and thus be more powerful.  This should be common knowledge and this point...........

Wizardry

Chrisbox said:

Every game in the history of ever that has released an expansion means that people who buy it will get to progress further and thus be more powerful.  This should be common knowledge and this point...........

True that.
I think the ONLY unexpected difference this time,is the projected cost.That part really looks sketchy to me.

sanshi44

azurrei said:

Realizer said:

 You will get the Elite spec even if you don't purchase HoT, the only thing you don't get is the Revenant class, new HoT pve areas, and items from those areas. That being said, many of the Elite specs aren't as good in PvP as the builds players have used for a while now. You will even get access to the new WvW zone without buying the Xpac.

 Also in Spvp gear is irrelevant anyway, as the stats don't matter. Only in WvW will raid geared people have a slight advantage, but it's the same way now with ascended vs exotics. 

while true, masteries not being available to F2P is more of an issue, specifically fractal mastery (or any future mastery added that might effect sPvP or WvW) as most only effect expansion content.

One thing u gotta remember though in any other game any game that increases the level cap with an expansion is kinda pay to win to a degree cause if u dont buy that expansion ur gonna be 5 levels behind everyone else which is a rather big deal in those games. Also with WoW for example items from new expansions had 2-3 times the stats basicly than anything pre expansion basicly the best raid gear was as good as the lowest quality items from the expansion drop lists.

kaiser3282

So let me see if I have this right.... People buying expansions packs which give them access to new skills and stuff that non-expack players don't have access to is now considered  P2W? Well shit. I guess every game ever that released an Ex-pack is now a P2W game.

Damn. I never realized how P2W even Diablo 2 was. I mean, buying LoD gave me whole new classes, and new recipes for enhancing my gear, and new item sets, runes, mercs, etc.

moonbound

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

cerulean2012

kaiser3282 said:

So let me see if I have this right.... People buying expansions packs which give them access to new skills and stuff that non-expack players don't have access to is now considered  P2W? Well shit. I guess every game ever that released an Ex-pack is now a P2W game.

Damn. I never realized how P2W even Diablo 2 was. I mean, buying LoD gave me whole new classes, and new recipes for enhancing my gear, and new item sets, runes, mercs, etc.

No kidding, just thinking of how WoW alone changed not only levels in expansions.  OP, very bad try at making this p2w.  I am not a big GW2 fan but this is about as far from p2w as you get.

moonbound

cerulean2012 said:

kaiser3282 said:

So let me see if I have this right.... People buying expansions packs which give them access to new skills and stuff that non-expack players don't have access to is now considered  P2W? Well shit. I guess every game ever that released an Ex-pack is now a P2W game.

Damn. I never realized how P2W even Diablo 2 was. I mean, buying LoD gave me whole new classes, and new recipes for enhancing my gear, and new item sets, runes, mercs, etc.

No kidding, just thinking of how WoW alone changed not only levels in expansions.  OP, very bad try at making this p2w.  I am not a big GW2 fan but this is about as far from p2w as you get.

Again as I clearly stated before level caps seperate you from playing with others who would not have the expac to reach those levels yet, in guild wars 2 you are not.

Distopia

kaiser3282 said:

So let me see if I have this right.... People buying expansions packs which give them access to new skills and stuff that non-expack players don't have access to is now considered  P2W? Well shit. I guess every game ever that released an Ex-pack is now a P2W game.

Damn. I never realized how P2W even Diablo 2 was. I mean, buying LoD gave me whole new classes, and new recipes for enhancing my gear, and new item sets, runes, mercs, etc.

First I should say  I don't really care about P2W, you certainly won't find me complaining about it. It has always been a factor in any online game of this type.That said.. if we're talking the normal things that are referred to as "P2W" in this day and age and the reasoning used to rail against it (haves, have nots, balance,etc..) , this is really no different...Regardless of how much it has been done or by who.

moonbound

Ok so I might have been slightly off masteries are involved for the passives but as said I do not know how these elite specs will perform. And that is still passives over other players.

auriken

Bruh, what you got to understand is that the "Elite Specs" are not over powered. And I'm saying this, before they balance it out for release, because I played the Beta weekends. I am also backing this up by being a Guild Wars player since 2005, Arenanet will do their best not to make skills OP, and when we (the players) figure out how to make the skill(s) OP, they will nerf it.

Also, P2W is a very fine line a lot of devs walk and a lot of players talk. You probably already know the big ones, but let me give you an example of a little one in GW2: The unlimited gathering, logging, and mining tools. You can farm these nodes all day without having to buy new tools, and if you don't use waypoints, you will be making bank everyday. Making your money back in no time at all.

Realizer

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

jesteralways

Yeah..it seems adding an f2p model was a mistake for them. Now all the freebies will cry "pay2win" along with the people who don't want to buy the expansion.

hallucigenocide

balance will always be an issue in mmo's. as for the elite specs they just offer an alternate way of playing your class.

kaiser3282

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

So now you're claiming people who buy an ex-pack in other games can't play with or against players who didn't buy it? Sure, the ex-pack may add new content, but it doesn't typically lock you out of doing old content. Especially when it comes to PvP, in particular open PvP servers / games. If a guy with the ex-pack who is 10 levels higher with some new skills and better gear goes and kills a guy out in the world who is maxed out on a pre-expansion character, according to your logic the game is now P2W because the guy who got killed chose not to buy the expansion.

Having access to something as part of the game itself, which everyone else who also buys the expansion has access to is not P2W. P2W would be something more along the lines of paying to upgrade that new weapon you got from expansion content beyond what is capable through normal means in-game.

I find it pretty funny that you state you do not have an agenda, when you insist it is ONLY the case in the particular game you are complaining about, but regardless of facts and logic the same rules don't apply to other games just because you say they don't.

moonbound

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

moonbound

kaiser3282 said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

So now you're claiming people who buy an ex-pack in other games can't play with or against players who didn't buy it? Sure, the ex-pack may add new content, but it doesn't typically lock you out of doing old content. Especially when it comes to PvP, in particular open PvP servers / games. If a guy with the ex-pack who is 10 levels higher with some new skills and better gear goes and kills a guy out in the world who is maxed out on a pre-expansion character, according to your logic the game is now P2W because the guy who got killed chose not to buy the expansion.

Having access to something as part of the game itself, which everyone else who also buys the expansion has access to is not P2W. P2W would be something more along the lines of paying to upgrade that new weapon you got from expansion content beyond what is capable through normal means in-game.

I find it pretty funny that you state you do not have an agenda, when you insist it is ONLY the case in the particular game you are complaining about, but regardless of facts and logic the same rules don't apply to other games just because you say they don't.

You completely missed my point, you must be some kind of shill big surprise, my point is objective and very true, in other mmorpgs your not going for older gear you already have you will be going for the new content and not be playing with the older players why is that so hard to get through your head? When you add in the fact that you get more passives after level 80 then anyone does not have the expac will not be as powerful therefor pay to win, how are you all not picking this up? Are you that daft or do you work for arena net?

I clearly enjoy guild wars 2 why would anyone come in here with an agenda to lie about it? Unless I was a paid shill but I have clearly been posting on this site long before I played guild wars 2.

Realizer

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

moonbound

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

How is getting masteries beyond level 80 not an advantage over someone who cannot?

Realizer

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

How is getting masteries beyond level 80 not an advantage over someone who cannot?

Because they are only used in zones they can't go in. Do you read?

Edit: Aside from that, the fractal ones are just adding to what ascended gear stats already give, more agony resistance ect. It's just going to make the fractals a bit easier especially for the 50-100 fractals. You are assuming tons of things you don't know. It's going to be not much different than it is now, with exotic players being less powerful than ascended players.

moonbound

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

How is getting masteries beyond level 80 not an advantage over someone who cannot?

Because they are only used in zones they can't go in. Do you read?

Edit: Aside from that, the fractal ones are just adding to what ascended gear stats already give, more agony resistance ect. It's just going to make the fractals a bit easier especially for the 50-100 fractals. You are assuming tons of things you don't know. It's going to be not much different than it is now, with exotic players being less powerful than ascended players.

I never read or heard anything about it being in separate zones and I looked around, but maybe you are right but it is not my fault you got all defensive over your favorite game as many here did and turned this into lets insult the op and wear tinfoil hats. I did not assume anything actually.

Realizer

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

How is getting masteries beyond level 80 not an advantage over someone who cannot?

Because they are only used in zones they can't go in. Do you read?

Edit: Aside from that, the fractal ones are just adding to what ascended gear stats already give, more agony resistance ect. It's just going to make the fractals a bit easier especially for the 50-100 fractals. You are assuming tons of things you don't know. It's going to be not much different than it is now, with exotic players being less powerful than ascended players.

I never read or heard anything about it being in separate zones and I looked around, but maybe you are right but it is not my fault you got all defensive over your favorite game as many here did and turned this into lets insult the op and wear tinfoil hats. I did not assume anything actually.

 I wasn't defensive, I was irritated that you came here without doing research, then continued to tell people they didn't know how to read, while it was clear you weren't absorbing any info yourself. There's tons of information and livestream recordings of Anet explaining about the mastery system, there's a write up on Dulfy.net, there's reddit threads, Anet threads, ect. Nice attempt at deflecting though.

moonbound

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Realizer said:

moonbound said:

Apparently many of you cannot read, there is a key difference in using higher passives and skills because of further progression in pve and pvp then just new content for a level cap and gear grind the difference in expacs in other mmorpgs I have played is you do not do the older content so you do not play with those people for the unfair advantage this case is a bit different.

And I did not say anything about new classes, I am simply talking about super powered skills and more stacked passives over other players.

 In a nutshell yes f2p players will not get access to the mastery system. If a free player wants to be able to experience the new endgame content, they must buy HoT. That does not constitute pay to win, it does however reinforce their model of buy to play. This is what happens when marketing gimmicks make players feel entitled. There should be something separating the expansion from the the base game, otherwise why would I buy it? You can't have everything for free.

 So I guess I'm wondering what your real point is, are you upset that people who don't buy the Xpac will get stuff you don't? If you're worried about fractal balance, that's already off center with having most in game players in exotic while there are players that have ascended. There are already players in game that sell fractals to under geared folks and so on, non of this will change. If a free to play player is trying to take fractals seriously I'd think that person would just want to purchase HoT. If they can't, well maybe GW2 isn't for them. 

Did not say I own the game? So I guess you did not read the part where I actually care about balance? Gaaasp!

 Balance isn't an issue here, maybe you should do some more reading on the expansion, or perhaps just purchase it and play for yourself. Fractal balance is a moot point, they are already imbalanced.  Mastery does nothing in pvp/wvw, so no issue there. So again you're worried about free to play players being slightly less useful, in zones they can't even go in? 

If you take a look at the info released on the mastery abilities, they don't look like they are going to be anything game breaking to me. I doubt the fractal ones will be any different, more agony resistance ect. 

How is getting masteries beyond level 80 not an advantage over someone who cannot?

Because they are only used in zones they can't go in. Do you read?

Edit: Aside from that, the fractal ones are just adding to what ascended gear stats already give, more agony resistance ect. It's just going to make the fractals a bit easier especially for the 50-100 fractals. You are assuming tons of things you don't know. It's going to be not much different than it is now, with exotic players being less powerful than ascended players.

I never read or heard anything about it being in separate zones and I looked around, but maybe you are right but it is not my fault you got all defensive over your favorite game as many here did and turned this into lets insult the op and wear tinfoil hats. I did not assume anything actually.

 I wasn't defensive, I was irritated that you came here without doing research, then continued to tell people they didn't know how to read, while it was clear you weren't absorbing any info yourself. There's tons of information and livestream recordings of Anet explaining about the mastery system, there's a write up on Dulfy.net, there's reddit threads, Anet threads, ect. Nice attempt at deflecting though.

Dude you did not read and you did get defensive I actually did research it and if that is even remotely true you can link it instead of talking more trash like a little kid. And I mean the masteries, all you wanted to do is pretend to be a big man behind the keyboard and try to insult someone, ohhh boohoo your irritated, yet there is no real proof how these elite specs will affect things in the first place. I do not care if you you were in beta or not. I did try and research it.

 I am still fairly new to this mmo and never even heard of dulfy until recently it is not like it came up in a google search but not here you are insulting people and judging behind a keyboard, if this is your patient level then I worry how you can handle real life. You are truly an irrational human being.