LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Only one game comes to mind that fits the criteria of your question, as far as I know. Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
4 years actually I believe. 3 years in KS 1 year of development prior. KS started in October 2012, CS said actual development started sometime in 2011 but I forgot the month or the link where he said it but I'm sure someone around here has it.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Only one game comes to mind that fits the criteria of your question, as far as I know. Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
I would however, also point out the studio obviously pre-existed the project.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
4 years actually I believe. 3 years in KS 1 year of development prior. KS started in October 2012, CS said actual develop started sometime in 2011 but I forgot the month or the link where he said it but I'm sure someone around here has it.
They know that.
Isn't it amazing how these SC/CR supporters can recall every minute detail about the going's on with this fiasco so long as it fits their narrative but basic common knowledge such as how long this game has been in development is conveniently twisted into a big ol' lie? It's the sort of sheisty behavior that goes a long way toward discrediting any valid point that they may have about the matter. Not that they every make a valid point to begin with *smh*
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.
Again, this has nothing to do with Derek Smart.
Your obsession with Derek Smart is disturbing.
Apparently you only know his "message" and not who he actually is. It's interesting though to say the least, how many people are getting caught up in his fallacy arguments. Especially with his visible trolling past, and all the negative things he's said about gamers in general.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
And the likely hood of one existing is getting questionable (any time reasonably soon) , I think most can agree on that as well. At this point if they need additional funding they're going to be hurting (especially after so much bad press), the likely hood of that is not exactly low...
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Only one game comes to mind that fits the criteria of your question, as far as I know. Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
I would however, also point out the studio obviously pre-existed the project.
Yes they did, it was a 7 man company before the kickstarter, which only made $6 million dollars by time it ended. The rest of the funding, and manpower came in the last 2 years.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Only one game comes to mind that fits the criteria of your question, as far as I know. Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
I would however, also point out the studio obviously pre-existed the project.
Yes they did, it was a 7 man company before the kickstarter, which only made $6 million dollars by time it ended. The rest of the funding, and manpower came in the last 2 years.
You misunderstood my point mate. My further point was to illustrate that though Cryptic did what you asked they did not have to build the studio 1st. It already existed. CIG on the other hand didn't have a studio.
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.
Again, this has nothing to do with Derek Smart.
Your obsession with Derek Smart is disturbing.
Apparently you only know his "message" and not who he actually is. It's interesting though to say the least, how many people are getting caught up in his fallacy arguments. Especially with his visible trolling past, and all the negative things he's said about gamers in general.
You're not paying attention.
I was aware of the message before he mentioned it. Many of us where and where voicing it but we did not have the platform, or bullhorn, to get mass attention. There were people voicing those same concerns on not just this forum, but on RSI's own forum and ... wait for it ... they were banned for voicing those concerns. You act as if he was the first person to voice those concerns and the rest of us said "hmm ... that's the first time I hear that. I don't know anything about it, or him, but I'm going to follow him just because."
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
And the likely hood of one existing is getting questionable (any time reasonably soon) , I think most can agree on that as well. At this point if they need additional funding they're going to be hurting (especially after so much bad press), the likely hood of that is not exactly low...
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
So the KS crowd that first funded his space sim that was way less ambitious are now just as bad as a publisher because some of them are upset he radically increased the scope of the project and pushed back the delivery date years? Really?
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
Only one game comes to mind that fits the criteria of your question, as far as I know. Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
I would however, also point out the studio obviously pre-existed the project.
Yes they did, it was a 7 man company before the kickstarter, which only made $6 million dollars by time it ended. The rest of the funding, and manpower came in the last 2 years.
You misunderstood my point mate. My further point was to illustrate that though Cryptic did what you asked they did not have to build the studio 1st. It already existed. CIG on the other hand didn't have a studio.
Yeah it wasn't completely clear to me which company you were talking about, as CIG had bits of the project done when they started the KS as well. No worries though, the info is still pertinent to the conversation. I'm just merely trying to point out that Star Citizen hasn't been being worked on by 260+ people for the whole 3 years it's been going, like some would have us think.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
And the likely hood of one existing is getting questionable (any time reasonably soon) , I think most can agree on that as well. At this point if they need additional funding they're going to be hurting (especially after so much bad press), the likely hood of that is not exactly low...
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
So the KS crowd that first funded his space sim that was way less ambitious are now just as bad as a publisher because some of them are upset he radically increased the scope of the project and pushed back the delivery date years? Really?
I believe you misunderstood his point. My reading of his point is---> The developers thought they wouldn't get pressure from the backers and are finding out they were incorrect.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
And the likely hood of one existing is getting questionable (any time reasonably soon) , I think most can agree on that as well. At this point if they need additional funding they're going to be hurting (especially after so much bad press), the likely hood of that is not exactly low...
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
So the KS crowd that first funded his space sim that was way less ambitious are now just as bad as a publisher because some of them are upset he radically increased the scope of the project and pushed back the delivery date years? Really?
I meant no Ill will toward backers if that's what you're saying, I was just saying it's not a better source of funding for that mentality. NO outside funding source is good for that mentality.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
And the likely hood of one existing is getting questionable (any time reasonably soon) , I think most can agree on that as well. At this point if they need additional funding they're going to be hurting (especially after so much bad press), the likely hood of that is not exactly low...
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
So the KS crowd that first funded his space sim that was way less ambitious are now just as bad as a publisher because some of them are upset he radically increased the scope of the project and pushed back the delivery date years? Really?
I meant no I'll will toward backers if that's what you're saying, I was just saying it's not a better source of funding for that mentality. NO outside funding source is good for that mentality.
Now that I reread it, it looks like I just took one sentence out of context. Thanks for clarifying.
So the KS crowd that first funded his space sim that was way less ambitious are now just as bad as a publisher because some of them are upset he radically increased the scope of the project and pushed back the delivery date years? Really?
I meant no Ill will toward backers if that's what you're saying, I was just saying it's not a better source of funding for that mentality. NO outside funding source is good for that mentality.
And unfortunately there is not Microsoft waiting in the wings this time to swoop in ;( I wonder if PWE would? they'd love the ships
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.
Again, this has nothing to do with Derek Smart.
Your obsession with Derek Smart is disturbing.
Apparently you only know his "message" and not who he actually is. It's interesting though to say the least, how many people are getting caught up in his fallacy arguments. Especially with his visible trolling past, and all the negative things he's said about gamers in general.
You're not paying attention.
I was aware of the message before he mentioned it. Many of us where and where voicing it but we did not have the platform, or bullhorn, to get mass attention. There were people voicing those same concerns on not just this forum, but on RSI's own forum and ... wait for it ... they were banned for voicing those concerns. You act as if he was the first person to voice those concerns and the rest of us said "hmm ... that's the first time I hear that. I don't know anything about it, or him, but I'm going to follow him just because."
There's the problem in my eyes, the decision to increase the scope of the game was agreed with by a majority of the people who gave money. Only a small portion of people were originally upset that the game they gave money to would now be aiming for more. So you're saying that everyone else's money and opinion don't matter as much as yours? The man saw an opportunity to grease the wheels for going off track, and he took it. There's really not much more to say, besides it was a majority decision some people didn't agree with, and Smart flung himself into it. He admitted to it too, because it "fills him with glorious purpose", remember?
There's the problem in my eyes, the decision to increase the scope of the game was agreed with by a majority of the people who gave money. Only a small portion of people were originally upset that the game they gave money to would now be aiming for more. So you're saying that everyone else's money and opinion don't matter as much as yours? The man saw an opportunity to grease the wheels for going off track, and he took it. There's really not much more to say, besides it was a majority decision some people didn't agree with, and Smart flung himself into it. He admitted to it too, because it "fills him with glorious purpose", remember?
The problem there is that reduces contracts to a democracy. not sure if that works..... If even one person disagrees with a change to an existing agreement good luck with that.
Apparently you only know his "message" and not who he actually is. It's interesting though to say the least, how many people are getting caught up in his fallacy arguments. Especially with his visible trolling past, and all the negative things he's said about gamers in general.
You're not paying attention.
I was aware of the message before he mentioned it. Many of us where and where voicing it but we did not have the platform, or bullhorn, to get mass attention. There were people voicing those same concerns on not just this forum, but on RSI's own forum and ... wait for it ... they were banned for voicing those concerns. You act as if he was the first person to voice those concerns and the rest of us said "hmm ... that's the first time I hear that. I don't know anything about it, or him, but I'm going to follow him just because."
There's the problem in my eyes, the decision to increase the scope of the game was agreed with by a majority of the people who gave money. Only a small portion of people were originally upset that the game they gave money to would now be aiming for more. So you're saying that everyone else's money and opinion don't matter as much as yours? The man saw an opportunity to grease the wheels for going off track, and he took it. There's really not much more to say, besides it was a majority decision some people didn't agree with, and Smart flung himself into it. He admitted to it too, because it "fills him with glorious purpose", remember?
There's the problem in my eyes, the decision to increase the scope of the game was agreed with by a majority of the people who gave money. Only a small portion of people were originally upset that the game they gave money to would now be aiming for more. So you're saying that everyone else's money and opinion don't matter as much as yours? The man saw an opportunity to grease the wheels for going off track, and he took it. There's really not much more to say, besides it was a majority decision some people didn't agree with, and Smart flung himself into it. He admitted to it too, because it "fills him with glorious purpose", remember?
The problem there is that reduces contracts to a democracy. not sure if that works..... If even one person disagrees with a change to an existing agreement good luck with that.
Which just shows more of the issue between game-development and kickstarting, or really any kind of business that can see rapid transitions involving time honoring contracts.. which can usually be altered in a real investor/invested relationship, because it's usually between the reps of two or more parties, when there are thousands of voices, how does any needed change get done? That would never work without a popular vote like process.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There's the problem in my eyes, the decision to increase the scope of the game was agreed with by a majority of the people who gave money. Only a small portion of people were originally upset that the game they gave money to would now be aiming for more. So you're saying that everyone else's money and opinion don't matter as much as yours? The man saw an opportunity to grease the wheels for going off track, and he took it. There's really not much more to say, besides it was a majority decision some people didn't agree with, and Smart flung himself into it. He admitted to it too, because it "fills him with glorious purpose", remember?
The problem there is that reduces contracts to a democracy. not sure if that works..... If even one person disagrees with a change to an existing agreement good luck with that.
Which just shows more of the issue between game-development and kickstarting, or really any kind of business that can see rapid transitions involving time honoring contracts.. which can usually be altered in a real investor/invested relationship, because it's usually between the reps of two or more parties, when there are thousands of voices, how does any needed change get done? That would never work without a popular vote like process.
Or you could just you know meet the original goal and then use the xtra $ to make paid DLC/xpcs free or lower cost to backers an voila same end less drama it aint rocket science. EDIT worked pretty well for Elite I think.
"He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need
at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face
of all of this."
This is a very good point. This is probably the main hope that Derek Smart has, that he can play spoiler and screw over someone he envies.
A very few people keep referring to Derek Smart and his supporters. Is there any evidence that anyone supports Derek Smart at all? It sounds a bit silly. But much like the other unexamined claims made by the Derek Smart charlatan, most people give it a free pass.
What is there to support? Sounds like someone wants to jump in front of a parade and hope it materializes behind him.
The Escapist for its part is in the hotseat now. They have doubled down on their "story" and are hoping the bluster will cover their unprofessionalism. It might, but only because the people they targeted are being nice to them about it.
LOL funny how many different things are said about SC and videos of exactly what I stated. But for sake of an argument I will say ok you must be right. But still one thing everyone does agree on there is no game.
Yep you're partially right in that statement if you're saying that after only 2 and half years of actual development they have yet to launch a pieced together AAA class mmo. Can you name a company that has?
LOL man you really are dense. I said working alpha, all the games I been involved in from Ultima Online beta right thru to today. 2 years would be nothing to have an actual alpha working to login and play. But you want to jump right to AAA. No wonder you can't see thru CR's BS!
Oh and working AAA game or close to it, 5 years easy! Even more so with 90m to work with, I seen companies do it with a lot less.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Again, this has nothing to do with Derek Smart.
Your obsession with Derek Smart is disturbing.
Cryptic Studios, Champions Online....do not take this answer as an endorsement of the quality of said product.
They know that.
Isn't it amazing how these SC/CR supporters can recall every minute detail about the going's on with this fiasco so long as it fits their narrative but basic common knowledge such as how long this game has been in development is conveniently twisted into a big ol' lie? It's the sort of sheisty behavior that goes a long way toward discrediting any valid point that they may have about the matter. Not that they every make a valid point to begin with *smh*
85 million really isn't a lot in terms of creating the game they want to make at the quality they promise it at. Just using the basic WOW model, can cost that much in terms of building the needed infrastructure, we're talking something far more sophisticated than that here... The R&D and iteration alone could be a substantial cost.
I think this might be a big part of the vitriol in CR's response. I've not read it myself but in these threads there has been plenty of highlights from it. He knows if they need to get more money (which I'd guess they will need at some point) he's going to have a tougher time getting it in the face of all of this. That's reason enough to get emotional IMO. It's no secret that he does have a tendency to go overboard and has a child-like expectation of people seeing his idea through financially until it's done.
And that's the crux of it all, I mean this was reason one these folks started going through KS to begin with, they thought they could develop how they saw fit to make the game that is done, when it is done. We're seeing KS isn't much better than a publisher in that regard.
That's where I am seeing things at this point anyway.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My further point was to illustrate that though Cryptic did what you asked they did not have to build the studio 1st. It already existed.
CIG on the other hand didn't have a studio.
You're not paying attention.
I was aware of the message before he mentioned it. Many of us where and where voicing it but we did not have the platform, or bullhorn, to get mass attention. There were people voicing those same concerns on not just this forum, but on RSI's own forum and ... wait for it ... they were banned for voicing those concerns. You act as if he was the first person to voice those concerns and the rest of us said "hmm ... that's the first time I hear that. I don't know anything about it, or him, but I'm going to follow him just because."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wonder if PWE would? they'd love the ships
If even one person disagrees with a change to an existing agreement good luck with that.
One . more . time ....
Transparency and accountability.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Or you could just you know meet the original goal and then use the xtra $ to make paid DLC/xpcs free or lower cost to backers an voila same end less drama it aint rocket science.
EDIT worked pretty well for Elite I think.
This is a very good point. This is probably the main hope that Derek Smart has, that he can play spoiler and screw over someone he envies.
A very few people keep referring to Derek Smart and his supporters. Is there any evidence that anyone supports Derek Smart at all? It sounds a bit silly. But much like the other unexamined claims made by the Derek Smart charlatan, most people give it a free pass.
What is there to support? Sounds like someone wants to jump in front of a parade and hope it materializes behind him.
The Escapist for its part is in the hotseat now. They have doubled down on their "story" and are hoping the bluster will cover their unprofessionalism. It might, but only because the people they targeted are being nice to them about it.
LOL man you really are dense. I said working alpha, all the games I been involved in from Ultima Online beta right thru to today. 2 years would be nothing to have an actual alpha working to login and play. But you want to jump right to AAA. No wonder you can't see thru CR's BS!
Oh and working AAA game or close to it, 5 years easy! Even more so with 90m to work with, I seen companies do it with a lot less.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!