Do you even realize?

filmoret

This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.  Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched.  Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs.  You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now.  Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches.  We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month.  But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player.  I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game?  At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module.  Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights.  I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.

davcha

That's crowdfunding.

Elsabolts

" Where's the Beef "

Erillion

filmoret said:

This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.  Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched.  Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs.  You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now.  Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches.  We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month.  But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player.  I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game?  At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module.  Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights.  I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.

Here we go again about P2W.

Lemme guess... you did ZERO reading on the topic ?!

You ignored all the articles by CIG and the international gaming press on that topic. All the FAQs, all the videoblogs made by bloggers explaining the system....

You ignored the 446 pages and tenthousands of  messages on the topic P2W that you will find in the forum

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/212815/katamari-damashii-pay-to-win

You have no idea on how the in game store works in Star Citizen, what UEC and REC is and what their limitations are ?

You have no idea that there is no monthly costs.


Does that about sum it up ?



Have fun

Squadron24

Not this again. *sigh*

It´s about as p2w as buying a hero in smite or DOTA2, but hey nice try.

Xeno.phon

Lol @ OP, they have stated that all the ships being sold now, will be available for in game currency at launch... so wtf is your beef kid?

filmoret

Erillion said:

filmoret said:

This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.  Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched.  Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs.  You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now.  Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches.  We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month.  But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player.  I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game?  At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module.  Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights.  I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.

Here we go again about P2W.

Lemme guess... you did ZERO reading on the topic ?!

You ignored all the articles by CIG and the international gaming press on that topic. All the FAQs, all the videoblogs made by bloggers explaining the system....

You ignored the 446 pages and tenthousands of  messages on the topic P2W that you will find in the forum

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/212815/katamari-damashii-pay-to-win

You have no idea on how the in game store works in Star Citizen, what UEC and REC is and what their limitations are ?

You have no idea that there is no monthly costs.


Does that about sum it up ?



Have fun

So what you are saying is.

1. believe what Roberts space industries tells you.

2.  After they collect 500 million dollars they will no longer sell ships for 150$?

3.  They wont always be trying to crowdfund for newer servers/programmers/software ect..

I call bologna.

Erillion

filmoret said:

So what you are saying is.

So what i am saying is ....

read what was written on that topic. To me it seems you did not.

Listen to a lot of international gaming journalists that have taken a close look at the system proposed by CIG and have declared it a "NOT P2W" system. If you do not want to read, watch a vblog.

Then you would know that CIG has said that they will NOT sell full ships after "Launch Day". Only ship skins and temporary tuning kits and such things. And that the UEC wallets are deliberately limited to a size that you cannot buy a full ship.

They WILL offer new "mission discs" that continue the storyline. They DO have an in game store for skins, kits, basic modules etc.

But there is an overarching design principle:
EVERYTHING can be bought in game with in game money only. NO ITEM  is exclusively available only for real world cash (like World of Tanks Premium Ammo or such things).

And based on what we have heard from CIG, it will take only a moderate amount of time to earn enough in game money to buy such stuff. Hours, days ... weeks for the really big stuff ... certainly not months or years. And the extremely large stuff (like Bengal carrier) can not be bought anyway but needs to be earned in game.
Same goes for exceptional modules  ("military hardware").

And all of what i have written above was - literally - said thousands of times before and can easily be found via Google.


Have fun

filmoret

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

Brenics

[mod edit]

Must have missed that, who is getting sued and can you give me link please?

FarScape

filmoret said:

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

still more crap, where is your proof? other then there The game will be done when its done mentality where is any of the proof to these claims? they have already stated that everything in game will be "craftable" so how is that pay to win?

Elsabolts

Anyone who has been let go from SC, for any reason is a potential lawsuit. The more money they make the more sharks get the scent,ie: Lawyers " Your gonna need a bigger Bank Account "

FarScape

MMORPG has become the central hub for lies slanders and personal propaganda

CrazKanuk

filmoret said:

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

I'm confused. Are you just looking to start any sort of Star Citizen thread to somehow gain notoriety among Derek Smart's cult or something? You started with a P2W thread. Then when someone mentions the topic has been covered ad nauseam, so you convert your thread into another SC topic that's also been done to death. *slow clap*

Sorry dude. They just put a big fuckin' 2016 stamp on their trailer, so that pretty much solidifies that the game is already in testing of some sort. Yes, they will continue to take your money, and the money of anyone else who would like to throw money their way. That's pretty much the model that they've established since day 1. If that model violates your moral standards, my suggestion would be not to back the game. 

BeansnBread

CrazKanuk said:

filmoret said:

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

I'm confused. Are you just looking to start any sort of Star Citizen thread to somehow gain notoriety among Derek Smart's cult or something? You started with a P2W thread. Then when someone mentions the topic has been covered ad nauseam, so you convert your thread into another SC topic that's also been done to death. *slow clap*

Sorry dude. They just put a big fuckin' 2016 stamp on their trailer, so that pretty much solidifies that the game is already in testing of some sort. Yes, they will continue to take your money, and the money of anyone else who would like to throw money their way. That's pretty much the model that they've established since day 1. If that model violates your moral standards, my suggestion would be not to back the game. 

I don't know when this game will release, it could very well be in 2016, but just because someone puts a "big fuckin' stamp" on a release date, especially one as vague as 2016, it does not "solidify" anything. I can't count how many times I've seen a vague release date like that get pushed back... sometimes multiple years. 

filmoret

BeansnBread said:

CrazKanuk said:

filmoret said:

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

I'm confused. Are you just looking to start any sort of Star Citizen thread to somehow gain notoriety among Derek Smart's cult or something? You started with a P2W thread. Then when someone mentions the topic has been covered ad nauseam, so you convert your thread into another SC topic that's also been done to death. *slow clap*

Sorry dude. They just put a big fuckin' 2016 stamp on their trailer, so that pretty much solidifies that the game is already in testing of some sort. Yes, they will continue to take your money, and the money of anyone else who would like to throw money their way. That's pretty much the model that they've established since day 1. If that model violates your moral standards, my suggestion would be not to back the game. 

I don't know when this game will release, it could very well be in 2016, but just because someone puts a "big fuckin' stamp" on a release date, especially one as vague as 2016, it does not "solidify" anything. I can't count how many times I've seen a vague release date like that get pushed back... sometimes multiple years. 

Here is the deal.  This game has raised almost 100 million yes 100 MILLION DOLLARS.  And they have not slowed down for 1 second the constant money grabbing schemes that you see in every pay to win game.  There's always a new limited time ship for sale and insurance on the ship can never be destroyed.  When the fps launches they will sell limited time armor and guns ect..  I seriously doubt a game that isn't pay to win will produce the revenue that they have seen from their current marketing system.  They will not be successful at converting it without losing money and it is clear they only want tons of money however they can get it. 

Conclusion.  They are making more money from a pay to win unfinished game then they will from their proposed non-pay to win system.

CrazKanuk

BeansnBread said:

CrazKanuk said:

filmoret said:

Even though they have admitted to making more money then they thought possible.  They are still trying to grab as much money as they can.  Which makes me wonder how in the world will they suddenly stop grabbing at money simply because the game has launched?  Will they say ok we have enough money lets start testing this game?  No they are saying ok we have enough money please donate some more so you can test this game for us.  Thank you...  They plan to sell in game currency for real money.  I'd rather pay a sub fee then deal with this.

I'm confused. Are you just looking to start any sort of Star Citizen thread to somehow gain notoriety among Derek Smart's cult or something? You started with a P2W thread. Then when someone mentions the topic has been covered ad nauseam, so you convert your thread into another SC topic that's also been done to death. *slow clap*

Sorry dude. They just put a big fuckin' 2016 stamp on their trailer, so that pretty much solidifies that the game is already in testing of some sort. Yes, they will continue to take your money, and the money of anyone else who would like to throw money their way. That's pretty much the model that they've established since day 1. If that model violates your moral standards, my suggestion would be not to back the game. 

I don't know when this game will release, it could very well be in 2016, but just because someone puts a "big fuckin' stamp" on a release date, especially one as vague as 2016, it does not "solidify" anything. I can't count how many times I've seen a vague release date like that get pushed back... sometimes multiple years. 

I agree *cough* The Division *cough*

However, what it does say is that they have a roadmap that tells them, right now, that 2016 is a reasonable timeline. That is, unless they are lying to everyone in an attempt to simply continue to earn cash without any intention of ever delivering a game!! Either that or, <insert any other conspiracy theory here> 

Just saying, they've shifted dates a few times following the KS. They finally went to feature freeze last year, so no more scope creep. Then, now, they're releasing a video with a release YEAR. Granted, it'd be nice to have something more concrete, but even take a look at Gamestop or anywhere like that and you're sure to find a big clump of games listed as December 31st release. They usually sit that way for a while. 

I'm not saying it won't move, I'm just saying it's at least a little more concrete. 

Erillion

Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ? 

Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. 
They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.


Have fun

GeezerGamer

All i am doing here is taking a seat in the nosebleed section and wait for the show to end. Only then will we know for sure.

H0urg1ass

It's not Pay to Win, but it is Pay to Ego.

Nothing in the world sells faster than ego and the ability to fly around in a ship that won't otherwise be available in game for months is handing out resting smug-face masks.

I simply can't wait to get into a starter ship with 50 people from Spectre Fleet and drop one of these $150 ships on the first day of the game.  We're gonna do some smug-face reclamation within the first few weeks of this going live.

Also, Erillion, Premium Ammo has been available for credits in World of Tanks for well over a year now.  For someone who takes giant dumps on people for not reading every iota of information about SC, you should probably practice what you preach when dropping non-factual information like that.

Erillion

And for how many years before that WoT only offered premium items for Real World Cash ?

Take your time .... I am in no hurry ;-)


Have fun 

FuryV

Erillion said:

filmoret said:

This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.  Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched.  Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs.  You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now.  Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches.  We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month.  But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player.  I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game?  At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module.  Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights.  I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.

Here we go again about P2W.

Lemme guess... you did ZERO reading on the topic ?!

You ignored all the articles by CIG and the international gaming press on that topic. All the FAQs, all the videoblogs made by bloggers explaining the system....

You ignored the 446 pages and tenthousands of  messages on the topic P2W that you will find in the forum

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/212815/katamari-damashii-pay-to-win

You have no idea on how the in game store works in Star Citizen, what UEC and REC is and what their limitations are ?

You have no idea that there is no monthly costs.


Does that about sum it up ?



Have fun

What a cheerful happy guy...


Have fun

Axllow18

filmoret said:

BeansnBread said:

CrazKanuk said:

filmoret said:

Here is the deal.  This game has raised almost 100 million yes 100 MILLION DOLLARS.  And they have not slowed down for 1 second the constant money grabbing schemes that you see in every pay to win game.  There's always a new limited time ship for sale and insurance on the ship can never be destroyed.  When the fps launches they will sell limited time armor and guns ect..  I seriously doubt a game that isn't pay to win will produce the revenue that they have seen from their current marketing system.  They will not be successful at converting it without losing money and it is clear they only want tons of money however they can get it. 

Conclusion.  They are making more money from a pay to win unfinished game then they will from their proposed non-pay to win system.

Oh well then we might as well call the Pentagon! A game developer... SPENDING 100 MILLION DOLLARS ON DEVELOPING A GAME!?!?! *GASP*

All jokes aside, most AAA games cost in excess of 50+ million nowadays; hell several games have cost more than 100 million. I don't know why this fact is so astounding but for anyone who knows anything about the costs of running a studio or the typical production timeline experienced in game development there isn't much surprise that a lot of high end games are becoming so expensive to make.

As to the fact that they have not slowed down taking money, why would they? They are a business, the whole point of fundraising is to raise funds which a business needs to operate. Why would they stop at some arbitrary number when they can raise more money that they can set back and use to pay more staff / buy better equipment / pay for the development suites and their updates / upgrade studios / ect.?

Are you really just looking for ANY reason to be mad at this game? Because that is what I'm seeing from this post.

Wizardry

Oh i am VERY well aware of it but so is/was Eve and look where it sits.Seems people like wasting money on crap games.I just shake my head in disbelief when i am wading through Twitch and see some incredibly bad games people are buying up.

Now i am not saying this game will be bad,i am not sure yet,but my point is if people are wasting money on total crap just imagine how easy it was to hook these people in with a pipe dream.

There is no way in hell this market is big enough to support all the game in it unless people are just tossing money in every direction and from what i have seen this is fact,careless spending of which i am also guilty.

filmoret

Axllow18 said:

filmoret said:

BeansnBread said:

CrazKanuk said:

filmoret said:

Here is the deal.  This game has raised almost 100 million yes 100 MILLION DOLLARS.  And they have not slowed down for 1 second the constant money grabbing schemes that you see in every pay to win game.  There's always a new limited time ship for sale and insurance on the ship can never be destroyed.  When the fps launches they will sell limited time armor and guns ect..  I seriously doubt a game that isn't pay to win will produce the revenue that they have seen from their current marketing system.  They will not be successful at converting it without losing money and it is clear they only want tons of money however they can get it. 

Conclusion.  They are making more money from a pay to win unfinished game then they will from their proposed non-pay to win system.

Oh well then we might as well call the Pentagon! A game developer... SPENDING 100 MILLION DOLLARS ON DEVELOPING A GAME!?!?! *GASP*

All jokes aside, most AAA games cost in excess of 50+ million nowadays; hell several games have cost more than 100 million. I don't know why this fact is so astounding but for anyone who knows anything about the costs of running a studio or the typical production timeline experienced in game development there isn't much surprise that a lot of high end games are becoming so expensive to make.

As to the fact that they have not slowed down taking money, why would they? They are a business, the whole point of fundraising is to raise funds which a business needs to operate. Why would they stop at some arbitrary number when they can raise more money that they can set back and use to pay more staff / buy better equipment / pay for the development suites and their updates / upgrade studios / ect.?

Are you really just looking for ANY reason to be mad at this game? Because that is what I'm seeing from this post.

You are funny and didn't really pay much attention.  I'm not the developer who claimed to be making a 20 million dollar game.  The guy missed his mark by 80 million dollars.  So what anyone can make a mistake.  But a 80 million dollar mistake?  If he is capable of making such a blunder on such a basic element of game development then you can fill in the rest here.  Sure I hope this game works and is all it claims to be but the actual evidence and the direction of the company is screaming otherwise.  Yes they are developing a game,  yes they come out with what feels like a new gimmick every month to make even more money.  Somehow even though they miscounted 80 million dollars they will be able to produce a game that isn't pay to win.  Yea that will never happen.  You missed that they are going to sell ingame gold for real money.  Yes that means you will be able to purchase gold in the game so you can buy those ships.  Unless somehow the purchased gold will be immune to such an issue.  Archeage's failure was they loaded the cash shop with items and gimmicks and I see this happening with Star Citizen already.

H0urg1ass

Erillion said:

And for how many years before that WoT only offered premium items for Real World Cash ?

Take your time .... I am in no hurry ;-)


Have fun 

Since day one.

I'm sorry, how does that make you less wrong about premium ammo?  I asked you to stick to the facts since you are such a stickler for them yourself.