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So NCsoft are censoring western Blade and Soul afterall?
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This is stuff that is common in asian mmorpgs and has been since their inception. People just seem to care now suddenly cuz any changes to anything ever are either them being pc or caving to certain crowds and suddenly has nothing to do with these game companies trying to target the demographic of the area they are in after market research.
I seriously do not care what ONE staff member said that worked on one quest. The quest as is likely didn't make sense outside of being a fan service thing for the korean market and thus was changed for the US market. Maybe just maybe it doesn't make sense with other changes made to the script to have that particular character in that quest when there are differences to the story. Also the Kun thing if you bother to look at what people were posting from that quote from the woman on the team she said it was because it sounded too much like kunt (cunt) when a t was added which is where i was pulling that from...
I've looked around as well. Show me specifically where they say anything was changed in a "censored" manner other than that one quest. Them changing the entire script for the western audience (which again is common for korean > western releases (otherwise them taking so long wouldn't be a commonality)) doesn't count as censoring because you don't know specifically what was changed and when we are only presented with these two things over and over and one "vague" accusation that it could be further than that based on their re-writing the script in general doesn't prove the overall point people are trying to make it seems kind of silly.
The outfits are not changed other than the default underwear which shows more skin and was EXPLAINED by the devs (they got complaints about the lingerie for character creation reasons) that lingerie is still there and can be used by people it is just behind a pay wall now. Again to stress that is not censorship they are listening to feedback from people who felt the lingerie was a problem in character creation as you can't actually see the body as well as you could otherwise. They did a show more skin option that let you see the body better and people suddenly yell out "censorship" as if they changed all the costumes...
People are becoming way too uppity and shit as they get more information and seem to complain about things that have been common place for over a decade now. If you don't like what localization is and has been about stop playing asian market mmorpgs at all because when they come to the west they are almost always changed (95% of the time) in massive ways script and other ways.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
For me, I don't really care if it's there or not. It doesn't bother me that it's there, but when I play my games, I'd really rather not have one of my daughters walking in while I game, which they frequently do, but then have to explain, "Oh, I just ignore that.......No, really, I do..............WHAAATTT????, I didn't put that in the game, it's just there...................Seriously, someone else put that in the game."
And so, I probably wouldn't play it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8U7eEbQPNU&list=PLz-SwDp4ItwCfxPiw3-JGb-jNiclLLPd8
My husband watched that video twice and then went searching for others and when I was playing the beta he said it's that game with 'those' outfits. See he remembered the game !
Cultural difference though, nudity is not a thing in my country to even think twice about and being nude is certainly not seen as an automatic precursor to sexual activity.
But other than that I can't help but agree with you. I can rail on about how ridiculous and silly this is until I'm blue in the face but the bottom line is that it's what the customer base wants. An American family friendlier game is going to earn more money on virtue of its accessibility and were they actually to go after the outfits (which they aren't, so this will be indeed "Breast Physics Online") it's simply a mod away to bring it back to its original state.
So, as irritating as it is to see self-expression blunted by concerned parents and feminists, in this case it really isn't a big deal.
You can call me a hypocrite if you'd like, but it's just something I'll choose to avoid altogether. THAT is Westernization.
Otherwise, do you really think that Korean business men give a crap about some vocal Western protesters who can only raise a stink but can't effectively do anything about sales, assuming those sales would be greater for not editing the game?
No, It's that they are appealing to a greater market and those who want over-sexualization are not it. It's that simple.
That's one issue. There is another. (For me at least)
I can appreciate a sense of sex appeal. Even a heavy one. But this? This isn't even sexy. Not to me. To me, it's sexualization taken to dis-proportioned and ridiculous levels. I don't find this appealing at all. Just weird.
Just because games have been censored in the past doesn't make it right. In the past I often saw localisations of anime with made up Western names for the characters (Shinichi in Conan became "Jimmy", lol), thankfully that has changed.
Hopefully as people become more aware of the issue and speak out against it, this kind of pointless tinkering with the stories will stop as well.
Unfortunately there are people like you who seem to be totally pro censorship, and will continue to support this kind of trashing of art because "its happened in the past" , and who just ignore anything presented to show you how deep the rot is with "oh its only one person on the editorial team" or "oh its just one scene that was changed".
The truth is it doesn't matter how detailed a breakdown of the censorship that has occurred in this game is presented to you, you will just make some flimsy excuse for it being ok. I don't know what drives people to actively support this kind of censorship, but thanks so much for helping to support a system that will continue to water down and trivialize the art/stories we get exposed to from different cultures.
They tend to be the kind of people where if it doesn't effect them but if they see it effects someone else, they like to be on the opposing side and like to be dismissive about it. They figure since they don't care it's not important enough for anyone to complain about it.
It's called being selfish. While at the same time they are typically hypocrites as well, because we all know if it effected them, then they would care.
Now don't get me wrong, I am sure just about everyone comes across people that are complaining about things that they themselves don't understand. I know I have come across plenty of cases where to me it seemed fairly stupid to complain about it.
The difference is ... I generally don't go against those who are complaining and i don't argue with them. They have a right to their opinion, and just because I may not agree doesn't make their opinion wrong.
Some people just don't get that.
Your type always wants to peg things on SJWs, people that are trying to be PC, or even some sort of boogeyman and think these companies cave into pressure without doing market research. It has been done extensively in the past and is the norm for eastern mmorpgs that come to the west. I seem to be talking to brick walls with your types though that don't seem to get the concept that no eastern mmorpg in their write mind is just going to translate and make sense grammatically of their script for western audiences as the markets wildly differ.
It isn't a flimsy argument in the least really if anything your argument is flimsier as it is based in assumptions based on what one person stated in regards when asked about a specific quest. He did not write the entirety of the localization nor does his own view reflect the entirety of the team.
If your argument was based on facts that are actually out there and not conjecture based on your opinion of two things it might actually hold more weight. The fact of the matter is that it is not based in full reality and a re-write for our market being common place somehow isn't good enough for people like you. You always want to complain complain complain. They want to make the most money they can in the west and having the story tailored to our market will earn them more in the long run than a hodge podge mess that doesn't make sense to western audiences.
I personally if I play the game a lot I like to have something beautiful to look at and if this game fails to do this other game will take over this market. It's that simple. Blade & Soul is simply shooting itself in the knee with this move, but it's ok....they will learn it the hard way just like many of those WOW failed clones over the decade have by now.
Censorship usually dictates that a government entity is forcing a change. This was not censorship in the fact that they aren't trying to cover something up per say they are attempting to re-write the game for our market and take into account market sensibilities and character development and other things in the script when localizing. The fact this many people are getting bent out of shape about the entire game being censored over one quest and the character creation/default underwear being changed (to something skimpier again) is in and of itself a stupid argument that effects no one and I literally mean that. No one with enough cognitive and logical thought process would think something like this is important.
If you do find it important and it is somehow effecting you get your damn priorities in order and sort out your life because you are a sad individual at that point. Here is food for thought for you geniuses, the localization team has to run EVERYTHING by the dev and publisher and explain WHY they are making a change that they are making and it has to make sense to the game developer / publisher to do it particularly if there is content being changed visually...
Also I will point out again that this is and has been common practice since korean MMORPGS have been coming out in the west. They always change the script and a bunch of other stuff to meet the western demographic. The fact people are just now taking notice and are outraged is laughable when this has been in practice since 2003 or earlier.... Where was outrage for all that other stuff in script changes and other stuff hmm? It's been done before and this is how it is done period. If you want a translation of the korean or asian market one go play on their servers with the english patch because you are a very loud minority that seems to let something so insignifigant as a game script being changed for the games target audience in the west and a costume item not being default and moved behind a paywall suddenly effect your lives large enough to spout utter trash on a forum.
If you want to talk about censorship and I mean real censorship fine. This is not censorship and is about tailoring to markets that has and always will be done unless we suddenly get taken over by korea and are forced to learn their language. The lingerie was changed based off PLAYER feedback and that quest while an unnecessary change isn't something so drastic that you need to whine about it "effecting you" . Don't go on baseless tirades that the entire game is censored based on assumptions and realize that the markets vary WILDLY between Asia and the US/EU.
This, right here.
What's really saddening is watered down / changed story parts for the sake of localization team delusions and strict black and white good/evil split. That will be harder to restore, if possible at all (should anyone even bother to do so, with typical "next, next, next, accept quest" attention to lore).
Decent summary of some of them can be found e.g. at https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/topic/139206-what-did-you-do-to-the-story-spoilers/?page=1
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If you look up what censorship is, changing quest lines that are questionable is actually censorship. It fits the definition of censorship perfectly. Just because it is part of the localization process and it happens often, doesn't change the fact that it is censorship. Now the clothing change, I don't consider that censorship because it's not censored, they made it less censored if anything lol.
As for it being important or not, just as much as we can't be sure other quests have been changed, neither can you. So you writing it off like you are, is just as bad. Let people complain, it doesn't effect you, and they have every right to do whether you agree or disagree.
What on earth does this have to do with priorities? Are you saying people can't have an opinion on simple matters? Your argument is absolute garbage.
Doesn't matter what the changes are being made for, if the quests have been changed in the rewrite due to the writer being uncomfortable with it, THAT is censorship. The quests where not changed because it better fits this region it was changed because a moron decided they where uncomfortable with the story. It's a ridiculous reason to make changes, and it really isn't localization, that is far beyond localization. That is the kind of crap you expect on 4kids lol.
Let me ask you ... are you a child? Are you incapable of dealing with a quest, story, book, movie that happens to contain a pervert? How many gamers do you think would be uncomfortable with that? Well let's just take a look at the game Grand Theft Auto. Gamers don't CARE. Gamers are not the ones advocating for such changes. Certainly not the majority. So who is? I will tell you who is, morons who get their poor little feelings hurt and become offended by a fictional story, and because they can't deal with it and don't like it, they don't want anyone else to deal with it or like it.
I don't know why you think it being common practice really changes anything. How exactly does that make it ok?
Also, you are a pot calling a kettle black. If we are letting it effect our lives so dang much, what does that make you? A bum? Cause you are responding to us, clearly you must have an even worse life.
Do you see how your logic is just faulty and makes no sense. Just because people complain about something, doesn't mean they have no life. If that was the case you would be worse than they are because you are complaining about the complainers about something you don't even think is important.
At least they ar complaining about something worth complaining about even if it's small. You on the other hand .. you are complaining about complainers lol. What worth is there in that? Nothing. You wanna talk about insignificant, THAT is what is insignificant.
Oh, so do you think you are above the dictionary? You get to say what is real censorship and what isn't real censorship?
Now I agree with you the lingerie isn't censorship even by it's definition. The quest on the other hand is censorship. Now just before you make an argument stating that I am doing what you are doing, telling you what is and isn't censorship. The difference is ... I am using a dictionary to do it.
Also, again you are complaining about complainers. You don't have any room to talk, because you are worse.
They should have been happy just to have female characters at all. I mean, lady fighters?! What?!
Those screenshots disgusted me... look at her standing there all strong and proud... where is her husband?
/sarcasm