When anandtech confirms this i'll believe it. Until then i'm going to assume wccftech does what they always do, which is cherry pick data to support an agenda.
And honestly, even then i won't care. I've had my 980ti for several months now, and recently picked up a closed loop water cooler for $125 and its been sitting at 350mhz over stock since i installed it.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
amd is still the worst. to much heat output. to high power con. to many driver problems. and that is not even close to 980 ti.. they compare a reference 980 ti to a custom Fury x... what a bunch of idiots..
gtx 980 ti is about 30% better overall its cooler,lower power use, better drivers
*snip* Fanboys gotte fanboy.
The irony is strong.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
I've used mostly Nvidia gpu's throughout, but when it came time to replace my 660 gtx, i did have to do a fair bit of soul searching as to which GPU to replace it with, in the end, i chose the 980ti, because despite everything, and particularly the direction that Nvidia are going with how they distribute their drivers etc. Their GPU's just work, which is something that has not been the case in the few instances in the past when i have tried amd gpu's, not saying that the amd gpu's are bad, but that they can be more troublesome, and thats something that i can't be bothered with, even if they are slightly more powerful than the nvidia gpu's, if they ever get to the stage where they just work without you having to faff around with the things, that might change things, until then, i'll probably stick with nvidia, you know where you are with them.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
For instance, we have a list of drivers for both AMD and NVidia that work and dont work that good. Guess whose list is longer. At some point i had to have 3 different versions of NVidia drivers for 3 different games.
And now someone pops in with fairy tales he read on ol' net. There are people who know and those who BS.
ATM AMD is better buy than NVidia for gaming in general. With next geenration it may be reversed. When i decide to buy ill buy what gets me better performance for my money. Others can go for inferior, couldnt care less, just dont spew some BS, it just shows youre uneducated on teh matter.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
For instance, we have a list of drivers for both AMD and NVidia that work and dont work that good. Guess whose list is longer. At some point i had to have 3 different versions of NVidia drivers for 3 different games.
And now someone pops in with fairy tales he read on ol' net. There are people who know and those who BS.
ATM AMD is better buy than NVidia for gaming in general. With next geenration it may be reversed. When i decide to buy ill buy what gets me better performance for my money. Others can go for inferior, couldnt care less, just dont spew some BS, it just shows youre uneducated on teh matter.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production and all you had to do is put your sticker on it. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
Or, now ASUS tries to compete with STRIXX. Its still much more expensive than other superior products.
SO please, spare us the talk. You want to buy inferior, as i said, fine, but fairy tales dont fly. Your justifications WHY you buy inferior (or more expensive) are yours to deal with.
Why does anyone here give a crap about power usage and heat?
Because it's something to argue/debate about, and people in general, but especially on forums like these, can't seem to cope with not find *something* to argue about; something to take issue with.
People are content to have a graphics card capable of running the games they enjoy with good performance and quality, and don't care about all the other factors? NO WAY! I must bash into their heads how important those things are, and mock them if they don't immediateley change their mind to see it MY way!
Basically.. People aren't happy unless they're arguing over something, often something stupid or inconsequential in the scheme of things.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
While its true that neither AMD nor Nvidia has a monopoly on bad drivers etc. My contention is that people will invariably have a preference towards whichever one has worked best for them in the past, while avoiding those that have been problematic in the past. Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one. But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
While its true that neither AMD nor Nvidia has a monopoly on bad drivers etc. My contention is that people will invariably have a preference towards whichever one has worked best for them in the past, while avoiding those that have been problematic in the past. Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one. But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
Exactly. And since all irrational people have to litter every thread with fairy tales, it just shows they are severly uneducated on the matter.
Why is even this a topic in this thread huh?
You have the tests, and theyre VERY clear on performance. And sorry, but for now, recommendation is AMD (not just current performance but tests on dx12 performance). No matter how much some people want it to be otherwise.
If people made informed (educated) decisions dell would be out of business (for instance).
Thats kinda not teh point.
Hi Mr. Newbie.
Dell is actually in business due to the well informed (educated). Why? Because they are the cheapest. For instance, a $2400 Alienware notebook can be purchased for about $1700 with free things thrown in like a backpack or cooler. Using the same specs of that Alienware, try to buy one from another brand like MSI, Asus, Razer or any other gaming laptop brand and it'll cost about $3k. I know because I purchased that $2400 laptop (before taxes) for $1700 (after taxes) and have been doing so for YEARS.
Dell is hated upon by people who have NO IDEA that you can bargain the price. Get educated.
If people made informed (educated) decisions dell would be out of business (for instance).
Thats kinda not teh point.
Hi Mr. Newbie.
Dell is actually in business due to the well informed (educated). Why? Because they are the cheapest. For instance, a $2400 Alienware notebook can be purchased for about $1700 with free things thrown in like a backpack or cooler. Using the same specs of that Alienware, try to buy one from another brand like MSI, Asus, Razer or any other gaming laptop brand and it'll cost about $3k. I know because I purchased that $2400 laptop (before taxes) for $1700 (after taxes) and have been doing so for YEARS.
Dell is hated upon by people who have NO IDEA that you can bargain the price. Get educated.
Complaining about AMD drivers is one of the oldest, worst and least accurate arguments. Both AMD and Nvidia have good and bad drivers, good and bad support for different cards. Go on one of the main discussion sites about drivers (guru3d.com) and look at how happy people are with nvidia's drivers at the moment (hint: they're really not).
This is completely accurate. So many people just want to be part of a bandwagon. The last time there were actually consistently bad drivers for ATI/AMD was well over 10 years ago.
I deal with this issue in the Graphic Design world too. You have a bunch of young guys who aren't educated, or old guys who are too old to learn, that swear that Mac is superior to PC for graphic programs. Never mind that it hasn't been true since the 80's. Never mind that time and and time again benchmarks have shown that programs such as Photoshop operate better on a comparable Windows machine. People get stuck in their old ways. And then you have people who want to be part of a bandwagon so they can pretend they made an informed decision (really they are just hoping they are following the right opinion). Read for yourselves people.
Complaining about AMD drivers is one of the oldest, worst and least accurate arguments. Both AMD and Nvidia have good and bad drivers, good and bad support for different cards. Go on one of the main discussion sites about drivers (guru3d.com) and look at how happy people are with nvidia's drivers at the moment (hint: they're really not).
This is completely accurate. So many people just want to be part of a bandwagon. The last time there were actually consistently bad drivers for ATI/AMD was well over 10 years ago.
I deal with this issue in the Graphic Design world too. You have a bunch of young guys who aren't educated, or old guys who are too old to learn, that swear that Mac is superior to PC for graphic programs. Never mind that it hasn't been true since the 80's. Never mind that time and and time again benchmarks have shown that programs such as Photoshop operate better on a comparable Windows machine. People get stuck in their old ways. And then you have people who want to be part of a bandwagon so they can pretend they made an informed decision (really they are just hoping they are following the right opinion). Read for yourselves people.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
While its true that neither AMD nor Nvidia has a monopoly on bad drivers etc. My contention is that people will invariably have a preference towards whichever one has worked best for them in the past, while avoiding those that have been problematic in the past. Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one. But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
Exactly. And since all irrational people have to litter every thread with fairy tales, it just shows they are severly uneducated on the matter.
Why is even this a topic in this thread huh?
You have the tests, and theyre VERY clear on performance. And sorry, but for now, recommendation is AMD (not just current performance but tests on dx12 performance). No matter how much some people want it to be otherwise.
Would it change anything if Dx12 didn't become an industry standard though? at the moment only a very small percentage of PC's can actually use Dx12, so current gpu tests using it, are not really good examples, if the same results are obtained using Dx11, then the arguments have more strength, as that is the most likely version of Directx that is going to be used for the next couple of years, assuming of course that both the Xb1 and more importantly, the PS4 are largely based on Dx11 or its equivalent, and as PS4 has a 2:1 ratio to Xb1 its probably going to be the single most determining factor in future games, probably for several years, as is the PC ratio of Win7 to Win10, which at the moment, more people are still using Win 8 than Win 10, with Win 7 still being the OS of choice for most of the worlds PC users - https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 So while the tests on current cards using Dx12 are interesting, they have little meaning in and of themselves, particularly as there aren't even any gpu's out there yet that even fully support Dx12 to begin with. Perhaps when Dx12 is a bit more relevant, there will be more of a reason to choose one brand over another; http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-theres-no-such-thing-as-full-support-for-dx12-today-lists-missing-dx12-features-for-furyx/ Its probably not a good idea to buy any card currently, if your looking for Dx12 performance, as the current tests carried out, don't necessarily tell the whole story. At least until such time as Dx12 becomes relevant.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
While its true that neither AMD nor Nvidia has a monopoly on bad drivers etc. My contention is that people will invariably have a preference towards whichever one has worked best for them in the past, while avoiding those that have been problematic in the past. Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one. But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
Exactly. And since all irrational people have to litter every thread with fairy tales, it just shows they are severly uneducated on the matter.
Why is even this a topic in this thread huh?
You have the tests, and theyre VERY clear on performance. And sorry, but for now, recommendation is AMD (not just current performance but tests on dx12 performance). No matter how much some people want it to be otherwise.
Would it change anything if Dx12 didn't become an industry standard though? at the moment only a very small percentage of PC's can actually use Dx12, so current gpu tests using it, are not really good examples, if the same results are obtained using Dx11, then the arguments have more strength, as that is the most likely version of Directx that is going to be used for the next couple of years, assuming of course that both the Xb1 and more importantly, the PS4 are largely based on Dx11 or its equivalent, and as PS4 has a 2:1 ratio to Xb1 its probably going to be the single most determining factor in future games, probably for several years, as is the PC ratio of Win7 to Win10, which at the moment, more people are still using Win 8 than Win 10, with Win 7 still being the OS of choice for most of the worlds PC users - https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 So while the tests on current cards using Dx12 are interesting, they have little meaning in and of themselves, particularly as there aren't even any gpu's out there yet that even fully support Dx12 to begin with. Perhaps when Dx12 is a bit more relevant, there will be more of a reason to choose one brand over another; http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-theres-no-such-thing-as-full-support-for-dx12-today-lists-missing-dx12-features-for-furyx/ Its probably not a good idea to buy any card currently, if your looking for Dx12 performance, as the current tests carried out, don't necessarily tell the whole story. At least until such time as Dx12 becomes relevant.
Sorry, but many people buy GPUs for a few years. And just yesterday i saw Win10 is already at 100m mark.
If you REALLY think than MS will not push dx12 youre deluded. In fact dx12 might push more people to go to Win10.
Test tell what tests tell, and they tell AMD>NVidia in dx12. Of course, its just test, but still its better than you claiming dx12 is years away. And DX12 will be relevant very soon. Quite a few games already slated for it. You can very easily google it and see its already quite impressive list and its growing.
I've never understood this loyalty to a brand. At some point you would've wasted money on an inferior ATI/AMD card in the past, same with NVIDIA.
It will be the same with future cards aswell.
This.
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
Except we aren't talking about myths or fables, but actual occurences. People will make decisions over buying products, quite often based on previous experiences with a particular brand etc, and this will often colour their perception of a particular brand irrevocably, once bitten twice shy for example. So despite improvements over past examples of a particular brands products, customers can often end up avoiding a particular brand because of their history. Facts, however unappealing they might be, are not fairy tales.
FACT: both brands had enough shitty drivers so throwing around fairy tale that one has better drivers than the other is uneducated (fanboi) drivel.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
While its true that neither AMD nor Nvidia has a monopoly on bad drivers etc. My contention is that people will invariably have a preference towards whichever one has worked best for them in the past, while avoiding those that have been problematic in the past. Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one. But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
Exactly. And since all irrational people have to litter every thread with fairy tales, it just shows they are severly uneducated on the matter.
Why is even this a topic in this thread huh?
You have the tests, and theyre VERY clear on performance. And sorry, but for now, recommendation is AMD (not just current performance but tests on dx12 performance). No matter how much some people want it to be otherwise.
Would it change anything if Dx12 didn't become an industry standard though? at the moment only a very small percentage of PC's can actually use Dx12, so current gpu tests using it, are not really good examples, if the same results are obtained using Dx11, then the arguments have more strength, as that is the most likely version of Directx that is going to be used for the next couple of years, assuming of course that both the Xb1 and more importantly, the PS4 are largely based on Dx11 or its equivalent, and as PS4 has a 2:1 ratio to Xb1 its probably going to be the single most determining factor in future games, probably for several years, as is the PC ratio of Win7 to Win10, which at the moment, more people are still using Win 8 than Win 10, with Win 7 still being the OS of choice for most of the worlds PC users - https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 So while the tests on current cards using Dx12 are interesting, they have little meaning in and of themselves, particularly as there aren't even any gpu's out there yet that even fully support Dx12 to begin with. Perhaps when Dx12 is a bit more relevant, there will be more of a reason to choose one brand over another; http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-theres-no-such-thing-as-full-support-for-dx12-today-lists-missing-dx12-features-for-furyx/ Its probably not a good idea to buy any card currently, if your looking for Dx12 performance, as the current tests carried out, don't necessarily tell the whole story. At least until such time as Dx12 becomes relevant.
Sorry, but many people buy GPUs for a few years. And just yesterday i saw Win10 is already at 100m mark.
If you REALLY think than MS will not push dx12 youre deluded. In fact dx12 might push more people to go to Win10.
Test tell what tests tell, and they tell AMD>NVidia in dx12. Of course, its just test, but still its better than you claiming dx12 is years away. And DX12 will be relevant very soon. Quite a few games already slated for it. You can very easily google it and see its already quite impressive list and its growing.
Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
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Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
I just dont care what AMD says anymore, they try and sell their 2 series cards by stating their mantel tech will make them worth it, then cancel their mantel tech making the 2 series under performing pieces of shit.
I dont care how well their shit performs, they are liars and profiteers. Not to mention their lack of ability to remain competitive with Nvidia. Just an all around shit company really, not that Nvidia is much better, but at least they dont lie to sell their products.
Oh, yes, because nVidia aren't greedy profiteers... haha. While AMD makes all their technology open source, nVidia keeps on adding proprietary crap only working on their cards. It's quite obvious who the greedy moneymonger is... and it's not AMD.
As I said, Nvidia is shit to, but at least they dont lie to sell products.
I just dont care what AMD says anymore, they try and sell their 2 series cards by stating their mantel tech will make them worth it, then cancel their mantel tech making the 2 series under performing pieces of shit.
I dont care how well their shit performs, they are liars and profiteers. Not to mention their lack of ability to remain competitive with Nvidia. Just an all around shit company really, not that Nvidia is much better, but at least they dont lie to sell their products.
Oh, yes, because nVidia aren't greedy profiteers... haha. While AMD makes all their technology open source, nVidia keeps on adding proprietary crap only working on their cards. It's quite obvious who the greedy moneymonger is... and it's not AMD.
As I said, Nvidia is shit to, but at least they dont lie to sell products.
uh oh, check how much RAM 970 "4GB" has. Or which DX12 features it has (or claims it has).
If you actually care about what you just said youd never buy NVidia as they have much more smudge on them than AMD.
And you are aware that series 3 is just a bit beefed up series 2 lol Thats if you can get your hands on some series 2 sales (although their prices raised a lot lately ) its best buy?
Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
The installation base of Win10 is so abysmal i would not be surprised if the whole OS get's scraped at some point.
Win10 is dead not even DX12 can save it. The sooner people realize this the better.
Win10 is really really irrelevant in this whole matter.
And you forget consoles, xb1 has dx12 and im pretty sure that will be a BIG factor in this whole matter.
Unfortunately Xb1 will not influence developers, as the PS4 has double the install base of the Xb1, and it doesn't support Dx12, and that will definitely be a BIG factor in this whole matter.
Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
The installation base of Win10 is so abysmal i would not be surprised if the whole OS get's scraped at some point.
Win10 is dead not even DX12 can save it. The sooner people realize this the better.
Win10 is really really irrelevant in this whole matter.
And you forget consoles, xb1 has dx12 and im pretty sure that will be a BIG factor in this whole matter.
Unfortunately Xb1 will not influence developers, as the PS4 has double the install base of the Xb1, and it doesn't support Dx12, and that will definitely be a BIG factor in this whole matter.
Considering games in production - it already has. I already told you, use google lol
Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
Sorry, but many people buy GPUs for a few years. And just yesterday i saw Win10 is already at 100m mark.
If you REALLY think than MS will not push dx12 youre deluded. In fact dx12 might push more people to go to Win10.
Test tell what tests tell, and they tell AMD>NVidia in dx12. Of course, its just test, but still its better than you claiming dx12 is years away. And DX12 will be relevant very soon. Quite a few games already slated for it. You can very easily google it and see its already quite impressive list and its growing.
Now Win10 is irrelevant in this whole matter. Make up your mind.
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DX12 is a big step for both NVIDIA and AMD. Both will benefit equally from it and it favors no particular Manufacturer. I know this because i have been working with the API for at least 18 months on both NVIDIA and AMD based Platforms. In fact, the CPU and OS play a much bigger role in this new API than the Graphics cards. Upcoming changes to Motherboards and North bridge design will play an even bigger role.
The XB1 console will benefit little if anything from DX12. The current XB1 API is already using a very high optimization level that is very close to the metal.
For DX12 to really make a difference the Hardware needs to be able to handle the increased bandwidth of the multi-thread optimizations built into DX12. The XB1 is certainly not a platform with any CPU or bandwidth overhead.
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And honestly, even then i won't care. I've had my 980ti for several months now, and recently picked up a closed loop water cooler for $125 and its been sitting at 350mhz over stock since i installed it.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
THE idiotic thing is justifying it with fairy tales.
For instance, we have a list of drivers for both AMD and NVidia that work and dont work that good. Guess whose list is longer. At some point i had to have 3 different versions of NVidia drivers for 3 different games.
And now someone pops in with fairy tales he read on ol' net. There are people who know and those who BS.
ATM AMD is better buy than NVidia for gaming in general. With next geenration it may be reversed. When i decide to buy ill buy what gets me better performance for my money. Others can go for inferior, couldnt care less, just dont spew some BS, it just shows youre uneducated on teh matter.
So yeah, thats FACTS.
You knowingly buy inferior product and you have to justify it to yourself and the world. I simply dont care rofl
For instance peopel STILL gave 20-30% more money for ASUS brand when all GPUs were reference design/production and all you had to do is put your sticker on it. EXACTLY SAME GPU with different sticker.
So tell me, wheres your "facts" now.
Or, now ASUS tries to compete with STRIXX. Its still much more expensive than other superior products.
SO please, spare us the talk. You want to buy inferior, as i said, fine, but fairy tales dont fly. Your justifications WHY you buy inferior (or more expensive) are yours to deal with.
People are content to have a graphics card capable of running the games they enjoy with good performance and quality, and don't care about all the other factors? NO WAY! I must bash into their heads how important those things are, and mock them if they don't immediateley change their mind to see it MY way!
Basically.. People aren't happy unless they're arguing over something, often something stupid or inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Edited for brevity.
Unfortunately, people will sometimes be influenced by how an item looks, sadly i once bought a cpu cooler that looked something like a jet engine, including a little flashing light on the thing, as the side of the case was clear, it looked amazing, sadly i had to replace it a few months later for something that worked better, and my only regret was that it didn't look half as good as the previous one.
But facts are really down to individual experiences, if someone has a bad experience with a nvidia or an amd gpu, they are unlikely to buy another one of those in the future, its not about fairy tales, but about previous history with particular brands, and often people have very good reasons for sticking with one or the other, in my own experience i had problems with radeon gpu's, and yes it was driver related, since then i've stuck pretty much with nvidia, because for me, they have worked. Different people may experience different things, but, it can influence buying choices.
Why is even this a topic in this thread huh?
You have the tests, and theyre VERY clear on performance. And sorry, but for now, recommendation is AMD (not just current performance but tests on dx12 performance). No matter how much some people want it to be otherwise.
Dell is actually in business due to the well informed (educated). Why? Because they are the cheapest. For instance, a $2400 Alienware notebook can be purchased for about $1700 with free things thrown in like a backpack or cooler. Using the same specs of that Alienware, try to buy one from another brand like MSI, Asus, Razer or any other gaming laptop brand and it'll cost about $3k. I know because I purchased that $2400 laptop (before taxes) for $1700 (after taxes) and have been doing so for YEARS.
Dell is hated upon by people who have NO IDEA that you can bargain the price. Get educated.
but lets take your claim as true, just for kicks.
How long would Dell survive on gaming laptops lol
This is completely accurate. So many people just want to be part of a bandwagon. The last time there were actually consistently bad drivers for ATI/AMD was well over 10 years ago.
I deal with this issue in the Graphic Design world too. You have a bunch of young guys who aren't educated, or old guys who are too old to learn, that swear that Mac is superior to PC for graphic programs. Never mind that it hasn't been true since the 80's. Never mind that time and and time again benchmarks have shown that programs such as Photoshop operate better on a comparable Windows machine. People get stuck in their old ways. And then you have people who want to be part of a bandwagon so they can pretend they made an informed decision (really they are just hoping they are following the right opinion). Read for yourselves people.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
So while the tests on current cards using Dx12 are interesting, they have little meaning in and of themselves, particularly as there aren't even any gpu's out there yet that even fully support Dx12 to begin with. Perhaps when Dx12 is a bit more relevant, there will be more of a reason to choose one brand over another;
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-theres-no-such-thing-as-full-support-for-dx12-today-lists-missing-dx12-features-for-furyx/
Its probably not a good idea to buy any card currently, if your looking for Dx12 performance, as the current tests carried out, don't necessarily tell the whole story. At least until such time as Dx12 becomes relevant.
If you REALLY think than MS will not push dx12 youre deluded. In fact dx12 might push more people to go to Win10.
Test tell what tests tell, and they tell AMD>NVidia in dx12. Of course, its just test, but still its better than you claiming dx12 is years away. And DX12 will be relevant very soon. Quite a few games already slated for it. You can very easily google it and see its already quite impressive list and its growing.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/213202-ashes-dev-dishes-on-dx12-amd-vs-nvidia-and-asynchronous-compute
Microsoft can not afford to alienate game developers by making the new DX12 only available to 8% of the possible customers. No game developer will develop anything for DX12.
8% Installation base and this will not get any better soon: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
The installation base of Win10 is so abysmal i would not be surprised if the whole OS get's scraped at some point.
Win10 is dead not even DX12 can save it. The sooner people realize this the better.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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ONCE. bc that was the freaking card where the fan just melted off. nuff said, ty amd, next.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
And you forget consoles, xb1 has dx12 and im pretty sure that will be a BIG factor in this whole matter.
If you actually care about what you just said youd never buy NVidia as they have much more smudge on them than AMD.
And you are aware that series 3 is just a bit beefed up series 2 lol Thats if you can get your hands on some series 2 sales (although their prices raised a lot lately
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I know you deliberately removed your Quote from the above but let me remind you:
Now Win10 is irrelevant in this whole matter. Make up your mind.
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DX12 is a big step for both NVIDIA and AMD. Both will benefit equally from it and it favors no particular Manufacturer. I know this because i have been working with the API for at least 18 months on both NVIDIA and AMD based Platforms. In fact, the CPU and OS play a much bigger role in this new API than the Graphics cards. Upcoming changes to Motherboards and North bridge design will play an even bigger role.
The XB1 console will benefit little if anything from DX12. The current XB1 API is already using a very high optimization level that is very close to the metal.
For DX12 to really make a difference the Hardware needs to be able to handle the increased bandwidth of the multi-thread optimizations built into DX12. The XB1 is certainly not a platform with any CPU or bandwidth overhead.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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