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Since everyone is an mmo armchair general. Through the info given to us, why will EQNext fail hard?
SyndromofaDown
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Serious discussion, no because of preferences. No because im a fanboi of other company. No because of i hate SOE/Daybreak.
Is it the mulit-classing? Unfamiliar territory? AI? Trinity?
Is it the mulit-classing? Unfamiliar territory? AI? Trinity?
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I could be wrong, I hope I am anyway, but I just get the feeling that when it does arrive it's going to be just another generic F2P MMO lite re-hash.
That and action combat, but this appears to be particularly poor action combat from what people have already seen in Landmark. If the combat isn't engaging it's doomed from day 1.
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I think that a lot of people that were looking forward to this should be a little concerned, I myself have used the Landmark program for 3 months and it also raised some concerns about how EQN will function.
Dont get be wrong i,m not a negative nelly by nature and support in most thing a wait till release position, but yeah I aint filled with confidence at this point with the evidence at hand .
I think they are still flip flopping. Beyond all the other obvious and aforementioned problems, they also dropped storybricks for their AI because I think they came to the conclusion that dynamic content on the scale that they were projecting was unmanageable. My guess is they realized the sheer amount of decisions/coding as well as dialogue that would have to be crafted to make the game seem truly dynamic was just way beyond the scope of any gaming company, let alone SOE/Daybreak.
The Dynamic MMO is unrealistic at this point, and something of a white whale.
They lost touch with their player base many years ago and never recovered.
If people dig my posts of 4-5 years ago, I predicted that Smedley would bring SoE to its knees, and that's exactly what happened.
No, I don't have the crystal ball, I just apply some common business sense, though people think I am just a hater.
The thing is I actually care about MMOs and the companies that make them and wish them all to succeed, but for years now the industry has been blind, and that drives me crazy.
A succesful game needs a company that take bold and strong decision, Daybreak unfortunately doesn't have it.
In the last 5-6 years they chose to follow others rather than lead the pack.
They made Freerealm when Farmville was popular, then they made Landmark to get a slice of the Minecraft market, lastly they thought that making a Day Z clone would be a good idea.
In between they made DCUO (There was a time when Superheroes MMO seemed to be the way to go but it was just a fad) and Planetside 2 which was probably the only game that made sense, though never popular but even the original wasn't that popular.
So they made 5 games trying to chase the quick dollar while all of the time all the player base was asking was for a real EQ successor, which business wise should have been actually a priority (cashing in popular IPs is the rule number one of business)
So it is not so much the design in itself, it is the inability from Daybreak to make bold decision that tells me that EQN, if it will ever be made, won't be great.
Speaking specifically of EQNext design, technically speaking the design is a mess, it is a mix and match of popular features which if taken separately are actually good feature but when thrown together in the same cauldron do not quite mix well.
The graphic is really not EQ, that alone would kill the game, it is just not immersive, if you alienate the core player base, your game has already a foot in the grave.
Other features like the Voxel technology are just gimmicks, as Landmark proved, this kind of stuff are short lived and it doesn't take long before people gets bored.
EQNext needs to be the spiritual successor of EQ , it won't be the next WoW, but a real EQ successor could be a very profitable game if done properly, keeping the same spirit of the original, without too many compromises, it is risky, and that's a bold decision to make.
Daybreak is just not able to take that bold decision.
BTW I am currently a Daybreak customers since I am subscribed to EQ2
Indies are picking up the pieces after the WoW Clone Wars. Niche, specialized games are the future.
EQN sounds like the last "due it all, plus voxels, plus we'll wash your cash" type of game.
For it to be overly successful, will need to hit everything at a quality level. Not "we'll add smart AI down the road, but in the meantime, give us money."
The mixture of popular parts of multiple games/genres can work and I'm sure there are plenty out there that would flock to the game if it is playable. Those that don't want so much of everything will stick to the niche games.
For me, the AI is linchpin. If they can't pull it off, they'll have another okay mmorgp for people to derp around in for a time. Being F2P (if it is), they'll keep customers and cash flowing for a while, but I wouldn't expect a top notch quality experience.
From what they've shown of Landmark, if they keep the same sort of very casual friendly experience, probably will help popularity (We all get a car!), but won't keep the grumpy gamers from grumbling.
I have ZERO faith in DB/SOE as a company as they have a history of very poor releases, screwing up games with updates, and being late to the party. Really don't see a lot of focus with EQN (no leader) and overall, won't be surprised if it goes the way of most mmorpgs from the last 10 years.
With that said, I want EQN to succeed. We need more quality games that step away from the pack.
You used Wildstar in your other thread and it is an example of a pretty decent game that people claimed they wanted, but simply not meeting expectations. Barely played in beta, but I assume it wasn't "better" than WoW for those that wanted WoW 2.0 or maybe was too much like it and the nostalgia wore off quickly.
A game has to provide endless entertainment and a reason to keep coming back. Why should someone play EQN over any other game? If the devs can answer that not only in words but with an actual product, it will do well.
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It seemed soe cared not for their hardcore fans, as EQnext looked to have almost nothing in common with the beloved classic EQ. They literally alienated their biggest supporters in hopes of pleasing the masses...making a game for the lowest common denominator. Such a shame....soe just has a terrible track record...Vanguard (should have gone free to play YEARS ago...not just recently)...SWG debacle....there game designs and decisions seem to always stem from "how can we make the most money"...even if it means disappointing the hardcore followers. try making a game people will love to play.....but they seem to want to make games with only the cash bottom line as the guiding factor.
Unfortunate because I really wanted to see this succeed.
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We know SOE was losing money and we know EQnext was their hail mary. I can not see a company like Daybreak buying them and NOT releasing this game. However, like all SOE games, I predict it will not impress the majority of users.
Actually didn't give up on MUDs instantly after hopping in EQ because I didn't find it that amazing, eventually I gave in as my friends all moved on. Then on to DAoC, WoW, and so many others.
I hope EQN can bring PVE mmos into the next generation as it looks like every upcoming game is either PVP focused or just another "oldschool" or Eastern grinder without much innovation. Then again I prefer to have PVP in my games so if it doesn't break the mold, oh well. Not going to play another mindless AI game.
Most of the stuff you described are developement issues. If you read my other thread the original EQ was in the same type of trouble too. But look, games' have been through worse and this one with procedural generated content shouldnt be that hard of a tackle. SOE knows how to make an mmo and if you are caught up with its fail or not read my first paragraph.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
SO other games will have 40+ classes at launch? recticle action combat? Mobs that move from area to area? You are sadly uninformed about this game. The other games coming out don't even touch what this game innovates and brings new to the table. And those games will die like WoW will when people wake up and realize theyve been playing the same game for 16+ years. EQNext is the revolution thats waiting to happen. It will save the genre or kill it for people who've only known WoW in their lives. Im hoping for the former...
Smedly leaving means he got forced to resigned from his job. That doesnt mean he left willingly.