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Star Wars: The Old Republic | State of the Game Interview - Part One | MMORPG

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Malabooga said:
    delta9 said:
    So Bioware/EA have managed to make a single player expansion that requires a subscription, to dumb down an already fairly simplistic game and not create a single piece of true multiplayer content for their mMo expansion and this is a good thing, hmm ok then
    They make what most people want to play.

    And you get a great deal of group content as you can play all group content at max level to your hearts delight.

    And thats where problem lies: you guys arent worth the money they have to invest in bringing you content.

    Theres 24 FPs in two modes and 10 OPs in 2/3 modes in endgame and you still whine.
    You know more than half of those fp are 3 years old at the very least? the "latest" added ops is already 1 year old?

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  • jbombardjbombard Member UncommonPosts: 599
    The real question is how many subscribers they would have if it wasn't so painful not to subscribe? Could the hold the subscriber base together by doing what they should have been doing in the firstplace(providing value to subs)?

    It seems like they are doing a much better job of providing value to subs lately, but the ridiculous restrictions on F2P still remain and that tells me they aren't confident in their ability to consistently provide value to subscribers. If they ever stop treating F2P players like second class citizens, they could regain a lot of trust, but SWTOR really solidified my belief that BioWare is no longer about the players/community and is all about the money(the old BioWare was all about players/community).
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    jbombard said:
    The real question is how many subscribers they would have if it wasn't so painful not to subscribe? Could the hold the subscriber base together by doing what they should have been doing in the firstplace(providing value to subs)?

    It seems like they are doing a much better job of providing value to subs lately, but the ridiculous restrictions on F2P still remain and that tells me they aren't confident in their ability to consistently provide value to subscribers. If they ever stop treating F2P players like second class citizens, they could regain a lot of trust, but SWTOR really solidified my belief that BioWare is no longer about the players/community and is all about the money(the old BioWare was all about players/community).
    Please don't mix Bioware with EAWare Austin. yes even Bioware games these days are somewhat overpriced but such is the value of brand. In this case though the real value is Star Wars brand name. Let's ask this : if this game was not star wars and did not have jedi and lightsaber and EAWare Austin said "non subscriber will have to pay for quick bars, will have to pay to hide fugly helmet, will have to pay to show title they earn by completing in game achievement, will not be able to receive reward for mission they complete" would any of us even bother to look at the game?

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933

    I've paid them nothing in well over 4 years.  I played through the story line for free on sombody elses account because I would never give this travesty of a company parading around as game developers another cent.

    Way to prove that old adage about assuming true though.

    +1 Assness to you good sir! 

    Okay.
    You played on someone else's acount a game you utterly hate, made by a company parading around as developers.

    Yeah..

    L2 lie on the intrawebs without making a fool of yourself son.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Shodanas said:

    I've paid them nothing in well over 4 years.  I played through the story line for free on sombody elses account because I would never give this travesty of a company parading around as game developers another cent.

    Way to prove that old adage about assuming true though.

    +1 Assness to you good sir! 

    Okay.
    You played on someone else's acount a game you utterly hate, made by a company parading around as developers.

    Yeah..

    L2 lie on the intrawebs without making a fool of yourself son.
    There are people who let their friends play their account, my current guild leader has asked me to play her account since she had a heart surgery, her account automatically charges every 9 months and she doesn't even bother looking how much she is spending, there are many(if not most swtor subscribers) who don't bother looking at how much they are throwing at eaware austin, some like my guild leader only play this game and don't even know what mmorpg mean in general. So no, what he said doesn't look like lie to me at all.

    And if i have to compare Biwoare and EAWare Austin, the latter does look like a company pretending to be a game developer company.

    And if i really wanted to feel like a high school back yard bully i would call you a "son" or "kid" but fortunately for me i don't have those fetish.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444
    jbombard said:
    The real question is how many subscribers they would have if it wasn't so painful not to subscribe? Could the hold the subscriber base together by doing what they should have been doing in the firstplace(providing value to subs)?

    It seems like they are doing a much better job of providing value to subs lately, but the ridiculous restrictions on F2P still remain and that tells me they aren't confident in their ability to consistently provide value to subscribers. If they ever stop treating F2P players like second class citizens, they could regain a lot of trust, but SWTOR really solidified my belief that BioWare is no longer about the players/community and is all about the money(the old BioWare was all about players/community).
    Please don't mix Bioware with EAWare Austin. yes even Bioware games these days are somewhat overpriced but such is the value of brand. In this case though the real value is Star Wars brand name. Let's ask this : if this game was not star wars and did not have jedi and lightsaber and EAWare Austin said "non subscriber will have to pay for quick bars, will have to pay to hide fugly helmet, will have to pay to show title they earn by completing in game achievement, will not be able to receive reward for mission they complete" would any of us even bother to look at the game?
    Pretty much the only reason they get away with is as you said because the name Star Wars. SWTOR could be a truly great game if they put in even 1/4th the effort S-E has in turning FF14 around. I give BW shit because part of me knows they can still do better. Part of KOTFE was a step in right direction, but it was only 1 step. When the game needed many more.

    Refocus on the story. Great.
    Abandoning most of the parts that made SWTOR a MMO. Bad.
    Alliance system. Good idea. 
    Having to grind couple year old content for Alliance stuff. Bad idea.
    A story where familiar people can sometimes be killed/lost. Good.
    Killing those people off so you can hold them hostage for sub fee, and calling it sub reward. BAD
    Revamping Companions. Good.
    Revamping Companions into one size fits all so they are no longer unique. Bad.

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Roin said:
    jbombard said:
    The real question is how many subscribers they would have if it wasn't so painful not to subscribe? Could the hold the subscriber base together by doing what they should have been doing in the firstplace(providing value to subs)?

    It seems like they are doing a much better job of providing value to subs lately, but the ridiculous restrictions on F2P still remain and that tells me they aren't confident in their ability to consistently provide value to subscribers. If they ever stop treating F2P players like second class citizens, they could regain a lot of trust, but SWTOR really solidified my belief that BioWare is no longer about the players/community and is all about the money(the old BioWare was all about players/community).
    Please don't mix Bioware with EAWare Austin. yes even Bioware games these days are somewhat overpriced but such is the value of brand. In this case though the real value is Star Wars brand name. Let's ask this : if this game was not star wars and did not have jedi and lightsaber and EAWare Austin said "non subscriber will have to pay for quick bars, will have to pay to hide fugly helmet, will have to pay to show title they earn by completing in game achievement, will not be able to receive reward for mission they complete" would any of us even bother to look at the game?
    Pretty much the only reason they get away with is as you said because the name Star Wars. SWTOR could be a truly great game if they put in even 1/4th the effort S-E has in turning FF14 around. I give BW shit because part of me knows they can still do better. Part of KOTFE was a step in right direction, but it was only 1 step. When the game needed many more.

    Refocus on the story. Great.
    Abandoning most of the parts that made SWTOR a MMO. Bad.
    Alliance system. Good idea. 
    Having to grind couple year old content for Alliance stuff. Bad idea.
    A story where familiar people can sometimes be killed/lost. Good.
    Killing those people off so you can hold them hostage for sub fee, and calling it sub reward. BAD
    Revamping Companions. Good.
    Revamping Companions into one size fits all so they are no longer unique. Bad.
    Agreed with your good and bad, one thing though; i do like that now companion can fit all role but i do not appreciate taking away their unique abilities. Another one would be, some companions really don't fit some role, like vette judging by her character story don't fit tank role but would most definitely fit healer role.

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  • FlintsteenFlintsteen Member UncommonPosts: 282
    I feel like they choose to ignore negative feedback. That's my main beef with Bioware.

    When i found out this new expansion wouldn't get new groupcontent, i decided not to sub again untill something new was added. I know i'm just one guy, but i play mmo's for the group content, not for the story. It's nice to have a story setup for flashpoints, operation, and even daily areas. It gives flavor and i like that. Character story that can only be played once, that's a dangerous path.

    If content can only be played once, you will run out of content, fast....
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    I recently went back to swtor to try KotFE but it took a major shift in thinking to do it. I stopped thinking it was an MMO, which let's face it, it isn't, there zero massively multiplayer content. Instead I started to think of it as KOTOR3 online, with 8 single player stories instead of just 1. That's got to be worth the price of a game in subs. So, I re-subbed and I have to say, I'm really enjoying it now.

    Just don't think of it as an MMO.

    Edit: The reason for subbing. It gets rid of all the really stupid restrictions on the free/preferred status accounts.
    Its seems the "alone together" theory that many MMO players just want a single player game with a chat room isn't all that far fetched.
    Well the reason I stopped playing after it released is because I didn't think it was worthy of the title MMO. I like my MMO's to have open worlds and content that is played by more than 25 players, which means most of todays MMO's fall short.

    But with a return to an emphasis on story I thought a couple of months sub would be worth it to play through the new content and those class stories I missed originally. And I'm glad I did because I finally got through the Sith Inquisitor story and it was epic. Yeah I am treating it as a single player game, because that's basically what it is. It's 8 single player stories in 1 game that has co-op rpg enabled. BW have practically admitted it's a single player game with the new emphasis on the single player story.

    I wish it was a "proper" MMO. I wish SWG had never been destroyed and finally shut down. Them's the breaks. Unfortunately there's nothing else worth playing that's Star Wars themed.

    Would I sub to it long term? No way. Is it worth the price of a box in subs to play through the stories wth none of the restrictions that free players suffer? Yeah, for me it is. I get to play KOTOR 3 for a couple of months.
  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Shodanas said:

    I've paid them nothing in well over 4 years.  I played through the story line for free on sombody elses account because I would never give this travesty of a company parading around as game developers another cent.

    Way to prove that old adage about assuming true though.

    +1 Assness to you good sir! 

    Okay.
    You played on someone else's acount a game you utterly hate, made by a company parading around as developers.

    Yeah..

    L2 lie on the intrawebs without making a fool of yourself son.
    There are people who let their friends play their account, my current guild leader has asked me to play her account since she had a heart surgery, her account automatically charges every 9 months and she doesn't even bother looking how much she is spending, there are many(if not most swtor subscribers) who don't bother looking at how much they are throwing at eaware austin, some like my guild leader only play this game and don't even know what mmorpg mean in general. So no, what he said doesn't look like lie to me at all.

    And if i have to compare Biwoare and EAWare Austin, the latter does look like a company pretending to be a game developer company.

    And if i really wanted to feel like a high school back yard bully i would call you a "son" or "kid" but fortunately for me i don't have those fetish.
    Look, if you wana let this guy take you for a ride then fine, suit yourself. Just don't try to defend him cause we where not born yesterday.

    Of course he has not played KotFE. He just saw a thread regarding SWTOR and jumped in to spite and hate. When presented with the fact that you have to pay in order to have access to the content he so passionately loathed he made up a lame ass excuse, like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
  • SeoltaSeolta Member UncommonPosts: 10
    The story content is still pretty sweet, It's honestly worth playing as a single player experience, even if you don't care about the MMO stuff. If you want to check out the game, use my referral code for free EXP boosts, convenience unlocks, items, and a free character transfer: http://www.swtor.com/r/MwzcNq

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  • LyrianLyrian Member UncommonPosts: 412
    I jumped back into TOR on a whim after seeing the KotFE posts back on the site a while ago. I needed a new fix after catching up with Fallout 4, FF14 and the Witcher 3.

    So far I've managed to get a sentinel to 49 and a trooper to 40 on a PvE server and realistically I'm having a great time. I am a subscriber - the money doesn't really mean much to me. I'll drop $20 on a good breakfast, so why not a month's play on something?

    I don't profess that I'm going to latch on to TOR and be an endless subscriber - I'll probably stick around to cap out my trooper and maybe sentinel if the storyline is decent in KotFE and has different storylines per class.

    All in all, if you've never tried TOR and you want to get on the star wars band wagon, now is the best time to try it out!
  • delta9delta9 Member UncommonPosts: 358
    edited December 2015
    Malabooga said:

    They make what most people want to play.

    And you get a great deal of group content as you can play all group content at max level to your hearts delight.

    And thats where problem lies: you guys arent worth the money they have to invest in bringing you content.

    Theres 24 FPs in two modes and 10 OPs in 2/3 modes in endgame and you still whine.



    You do know how old that content is?
    If we are to go by your logic then there was already lots of single player stuff to do before this expansion so why bring out this expansion - oh yeah NEW content that's why

    I know that judging by the changes most playing this Star Wars MMO want single player content and they want a pixel cashshop and they do not want any new multiplayer content - if the last expansion and future plans are anything to go by - Doesnt mean this makes it a good MMO infact quite the opposite
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    The new storyline is excellent. So are most of the changes. Except for the massive nuking of your character in old zones where we are now forced down to the zone level and it's almost impossible to kill even tough monsters without a group now.
  • LyrianLyrian Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Moirae said:
    The new storyline is excellent. So are most of the changes. Except for the massive nuking of your character in old zones where we are now forced down to the zone level and it's almost impossible to kill even tough monsters without a group now.
    I haven't found this true at all. I've been able to burn through the weekly Heroic +2 quests by myself with a companion easily.

    Unless there are other areas or quests that I'm missing completely.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    The best people to ask about the state of the game are the salesmen ..lol.

    That is what forums and discussions are for,the ONLY opinion that matters is the gamer not the developer.

    I was playing this game quite a lot in the first couple months but i would say it needed not just grouping content but OPEN grouping in an EPIC fashion.What i had hoped for,i guess i was dreaming,was an epic style attack on our planet by invading forces and all the players would come together to fight them off.There was none of that in SWTOR more like KOTOR with a login.

    I personally found the original story telling to be a 5/10,way over rated.So if this is better than the original story line we have to start at a 6/10 and go from there.

    As for game play,idk give us a 1/2/3 day trial and we will tell you.I am not about to go buy this on a total whim or because some salesmen tells me it is great.I have already bought too many games on a whim and been disappointed too many times.

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited December 2015
    delta9 said:
    Malabooga said:



    They make what most people want to play.



    And you get a great deal of group content as you can play all group content at max level to your hearts delight.



    And thats where problem lies: you guys arent worth the money they have to invest in bringing you content.



    Theres 24 FPs in two modes and 10 OPs in 2/3 modes in endgame and you still whine.










    You do know how old that content is?

    If we are to go by your logic then there was already lots of single player stuff to do before this expansion so why bring out this expansion - oh yeah NEW content that's why



    I know that judging by the changes most playing this Star Wars MMO want single player content and they want a pixel cashshop and they do not want any new multiplayer content - if the last expansion and future plans are anything to go by - Doesnt mean this makes it a good MMO infact quite the opposite


    ---------------------------------------------
    What does it matter how old it is if its new to vast majority of players?

    They made a lot of group content that has seen barely any usage. It has to justify its existence.

    Its not really their fault "real group content" isnt worth making, they dont have unlimited funds any more an they live quarter by quarter and have to justify every $ soent to EA.

    If you think responsible money spending is something bad, well, go back to the drawing board.
  • nimander99nimander99 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Muke said:
    nimander99 said:



    MikeB said:

    nimander99 said:




    /sigh Alright, damnit, I'll download it and give it another go tonight. Good interview.









    Edit: But if I get the same stupid texture flickering I'm never going to try again...














    Let us know your impressions! How long has it been since you last played?





    Been a year... I bought a new pc so I could play Wildstar (my old pc ran swtor on full gfx) But for whatever reason I got a bizarre graphical anomaly with my new pc which caused all the textures in the game to flicker from full definition to fuzzy constantly and I stopped playing after a month of trying to figure out what the problem was. Hopefully the upgrades to the games gfx have fixed this. I'll let y'all know :D





    With all my complaints about this game and it's engine I have never suffered from flickering etc.

    I guess your hardware is malfunctioning.


    Thats the thing though, it isn't... I can run Wildstar and ESO at 50fps and any other mmo I care to play, it's only swtor that I have this problem with... and yes after I downloaded it last night it is still doing it :/
  • BrorimBrorim Member UncommonPosts: 91
    Have you people complaining even played the game ?? I find it entertaining and vivid ..
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Gorwe said:
    What a bunch of lies...I won't even bother to refute them. Just listen to Maclean's tone of voice and his choice of words. Typical marketing lingo.
    Wow you just lied.  I could refute you but why bother.  Typical SWTOR hater lingo.

    See I can do it too and it is just as stupid.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Malabooga said:
    delta9 said:
    Malabooga said:



    They make what most people want to play.



    And you get a great deal of group content as you can play all group content at max level to your hearts delight.



    And thats where problem lies: you guys arent worth the money they have to invest in bringing you content.



    Theres 24 FPs in two modes and 10 OPs in 2/3 modes in endgame and you still whine.










    You do know how old that content is?

    If we are to go by your logic then there was already lots of single player stuff to do before this expansion so why bring out this expansion - oh yeah NEW content that's why



    I know that judging by the changes most playing this Star Wars MMO want single player content and they want a pixel cashshop and they do not want any new multiplayer content - if the last expansion and future plans are anything to go by - Doesnt mean this makes it a good MMO infact quite the opposite


    ---------------------------------------------
    What does it matter how old it is if its new to vast majority of players?

    They made a lot of group content that has seen barely any usage. It has to justify its existence.

    Its not really their fault "real group content" isnt worth making, they dont have unlimited funds any more an they live quarter by quarter and have to justify every $ soent to EA.

    If you think responsible money spending is something bad, well, go back to the drawing board.
    it matter to people who have been playing for 4 years. They are alienating a lot of veterans through their antics.

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  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    fodell54 said:
    I've paid them nothing is well over 4 years. I played through the story line for free on sombody elses account because I would never give this travesty of a company parading around as game developers another cent.

    Way to prove that old adage about assuming true though.

    +1 Assness to you good sir!


    If you are saying that BioWare is "parading around" as a game company I don't think you have been gaming very long. Have you ever played Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Baldur's Gate? All great games. All made by BioWare. You are either very young or very uneducated on BioWare and it's developing background.

     It's fine that you dislike a game made by a company but to slander their name for no other reason then to be dick is kind of ignorant.

    Wouldn't you agree?


    I had to add a "Lol" to this comment because you apparently don't even realize that Bioware as it is now isn't the same Bioware that did Baldur's Gate, the first Dragon Age or the first Mass Effect. It's EA with Bioware's name. The original Bioware that made great games is dead as a doornail.

    Smile

  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Member EpicPosts: 1,960
    Story and dialogue are about the only thing EAWare got right with this game. The engine is still buggy, poorly coded crap, and sadly that's not likely to change any time soon. The rest is generic MMO fare with a Star Wars skin, though I do like the housing.

    I'm still subbed, but when January rolls around and the next story chapter isn't up to snuff, that will change quickly. I'm not going to be fobbed off with an hour of story content for my $15.

    And for God's sake, ask them some actual questions. Ask them about fixing the piss poor engine. Ask them why they're passing off shoddy production values as 'classic style conversations'. Ask why they link PvE companions to PvP. Ask why alliance standing is such a ridiculous grind. Ask why there are no new space missions to reflect the shift from Republic vs. Empire to Player vs. Eternal Empire.

    The game still has many problems, yet you're asking the most generic questions possible, to the point where this 'interview' reads like an advertisement or press release. But I guess not upsetting the sponsors takes precedence over actual journalism in the video game community. Given the sad state of journalism everywhere else, I suppose that shouldn't be surprising. Good thing I mostly come here for the forums.

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