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SinzOfManSinzOfMan Member UncommonPosts: 224
https://youtu.be/pUpKm2ZBB28

Talks about the addictive nature of MMO's.  I'm expecting to get torched here, but it's just my thoughts on what I went through playing over 14 hours a day, and the health challenges that I faced ignoring my body like that. 
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  • Gabriel-KnightGabriel-Knight Member UncommonPosts: 89
    Damn, 14 hours? And you needed a video to tell you that? Didn't your own body screamed for help? 0o
  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    DMKano said:
    Don't blame video games for your own weaknesses... just saying.
    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    This, exactly.

    What's really going to bake your noodle later on - were their brains wired to be predisposed to addiction and thus override self control?



    But you see it in little ways too.  We used to have downtime then that went away to be replaced by constant excitement.   Brain constantly releasing those chemicals which make you high.  It is a positive feedback loop.
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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015
    F2P MMO are simply casinos


  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015

    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    So many holes in that argument you can drive a truck through.

    Some drugs have an addiction rate of 10%, 10% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Some drugs have an addition rate of 70%, 70% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Clearly, there is more to addiction than just self control. And clearly some things are more addictive than others.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Kiyoris said:

    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    So many holes in that argument you can drive a truck through.

    Some drugs have an addiction rate of 10%, 10% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Some drugs have an addition rate of 70%, 70% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Clearly, there is more to addiction than just self control. And clearly some things are more addictive than others.
    Drugs, of whatever type, be it prescribed painkillers or cigarettes, to narcotics such as heroin, even alcohol for that matter, do have varying degrees of addictiveness, its a chemical thing, with games however, its a psychological addiction, not a chemical one, they really aren't comparable because one is a chemical addiction the other is an addictive disposition, the difference is much the same as the difference between OCD and heroin addiction.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    DMKano said:
    Don't blame video games for your own weaknesses... just saying.
    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    This, exactly.

    What's really going to bake your noodle later on - were their brains wired to be predisposed to addiction and thus override self control?
    Pretty much the point made, yes. It's not the games to be blamed.
    Not saying the guys don't need help, but wouldn't it have been games, it would have been something else.

    I'd rather blame the parents who allowed their kid/teen to camp their basement 14 hours a day without income, basically being a social leech. Because let's get real, when you play 14 hours a day, you have no room for an activity that can get you enough money to pay for it. You can replace "parents" by anything else, but someone has been paying for that person to be able to play video games non stop when he was not sleeping.
    I don't understand, I thought you had to play around 14 hours a day to be good at mmos otherwise you are just a casual? 
    ....
  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    Kiyoris said:

    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    So many holes in that argument you can drive a truck through.

    Some drugs...
    You did notice we weren't talking about drugs, mmm?  Or are you just being obtuse for the sake of it?
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    SinzOfMan said:
    https://youtu.be/pUpKm2ZBB28

    Talks about the addictive nature of MMO's.  I'm expecting to get torched here, but it's just my thoughts on what I went through playing over 14 hours a day, and the health challenges that I faced ignoring my body like that. 
    I will comment BEFORE watching the video because i know this whole story all too well and i am not one that games for 14 hours or even 8 like many do.I will however watch the video after i post.

    There is going to be a huge epidemic of very unhealthy people caused by gaming,it might not show it's face for man years yet because most gamer's are still young but it will arrive one day and shock the world.
    Poor circulation,Edema,heart disease,bad diet,lack of exercise,lack of outdoors and sun as well damaging the eyes and there are many health risks that go along with that from thinning of the arteries behind the eye and in the eye also resulting in eventual Kidney damage from all of the above.
    Then there is a whole other avenue of addiction to gaming and avoiding your chores,lifestyles,friends ,family,work etc etc.






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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Haha i like the ending with the MMA guys Silva,Shields and Conor.

    I am glad you got out of the addiction,you seem sort of young still.
    The only saving grace for myself is that i actually never liked video games when i was young but of course they were a lot different than video games now.I was lucky that i associated with sports and fitness,i ran miles everyday,played every sport under the sun and worked hard for a living.

    My long life of living a very active life paid off for me in the end.Yes i started spending too much time with video games because i got out of some of my bad habits like weed and alcohol and wanted to stop hanging around people who did that stuff,so i started to stay at home more.

    I was lucky i had that early lifestyle of activity because  eventually i would have a heart attack and the doctors believe i survived only because years of physical activity my body created it's own secondary heart bypass that was enough to keep my heart from being severely damaged and likely dying.However MOST of these gamer's i see are not very active at all,likely do not play any sports or anything too physical to raise their fitness level.

    Most of these gamer's will not be too lucky,when health problems arise "and they will". They might end up in very serious trouble perhaps life ending or ending their usual life they come to expect.




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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Kiyoris said:

    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    So many holes in that argument you can drive a truck through.

    Some drugs have an addiction rate of 10%, 10% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Some drugs have an addition rate of 70%, 70% of first time users still use it after a year.

    Clearly, there is more to addiction than just self control. And clearly some things are more addictive than others.
    "Still use X after a year" is not at all similar to "is addicted to X".  It's been a lot more than a year since the first time I took a Tylenol, and I still take one occasionally.  Does that mean I'm addicted to it?
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    SinzOfMan said:
    https://youtu.be/pUpKm2ZBB28

    Talks about the addictive nature of MMO's.  I'm expecting to get torched here, but it's just my thoughts on what I went through playing over 14 hours a day, and the health challenges that I faced ignoring my body like that. 
    If you think your message is so important, have you considered typing it out rather than burying it in some video?  Unless it's something intrinsically visual, it takes several times as long to get the same information out of a video, which means that most people won't bother.
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,075
    edited December 2015
    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    It is possible to say that you are addicted to something without implying that it's that thing's 'fault'. Nowhere in the statement "I'm addicted to X" is it implied that it's Xs fault for your choices.

    Just thought I would point that out.  If you can't accept this, then any talk of addiction would be inherently shifting the blame, which just isn't the case.  Sometimes it's important to face the music and call a spade a spade. It takes a lot of guts to state honestly and clearly "I have an addiction" and then to own that and take action. To me, this is the opposite of shying away from blame; it's taking responsibility.

    Edit: just to clarify, some people do what you say, certainly, but not all discussions regarding addiction have to be about "blame". That's really the point of this post.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Dibdabs said:
    Some people have no self control.  They'll get addicted to just about anything and blame the thing they're addicted to for it all.
    It is possible to say that you are addicted to something without implying that it's that thing's 'fault'. Nowhere in the statement "I'm addicted to X" is it implied that it's Xs fault for your choices.

    Just thought I would point that out.  If you can't accept this, then any talk of addiction would be inherently shifting the blame, which just isn't the case.  Sometimes it's important to face the music and call a spade a spade. It takes a lot of guts to state honestly and clearly "I have an addiction" and then to own that and take action. To me, this is the opposite of shying away from blame; it's taking responsibility.

    Edit: just to clarify, some people do what you say, certainly, but not all discussions regarding addiction have to be about "blame". That's really the point of this post.
    Question remains: who allowed that young person (and many others) to basically "dwell in their basement" for so long, supporting his needs since well... there's no way you can play 14 hours a day AND have a good enough job to play for food, rent, electricity, water, Internet access. That would mean you'd have 10 hours per day to work and to sleep.
    One way or another, there's something foul in that story. Money doesn't grow on trees, and you need money to live and to play games.
    So I'm very interested to know how he managed to pull that trick.

    I've been playing MMOs for 20+ years and video games for the better part of the last 35 years, I've met some game addicted people, and ALL of them where doing it while leeching other people's money, work and time. A good friend almost lost his wife for it, he had the luck to be pushed by all his other friends to react just in time.
    Also, in my experience, all those addicted person actually had a form of number obsession, be it for levels, gear, achievements.

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    It's also possible for someone to work for years, save up enough money to retire, and then spend most of his time playing computer games after he retires.  I'm not saying it's common; older people are far less likely to have the stamina to even be able to play games for 14 hours per day.  And I'm certainly not saying it's a good idea for that to be your life.  But it is at least possible.
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    I wish someone would make an MMO good enough to get addicted to.
  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    DMKano said:
    There are upsides to Internet Gaming Disorder - yes this is now defined in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

    Hyper connected brains is what the MRI scans show - IMO more upsides than downsides hehe

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/304474.php

    This study was published this month.




    Actually it isn't.  The dsm  lists it as a condition for further study not a diagnosis.  This means it isn't actually in the dsm.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    And this is an amazing video outlining how very very wrong we have been about addiction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    edited January 2016
    Vardahoth said:
    Damn, 14 hours? And you needed a video to tell you that? Didn't your own body screamed for help? 0o
    This was normal and expected when I played lineage 2. The longest I went was 3 days straight before I got keyboard face. A friend of mine played for over a week straight, she's dead now though. I'm older now, so I couldn't do this anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be in an environment where there is that...

    Now adays we don't have to worry about that anymore. Too many mommy caps and non-progression games.
    Well, to anyone reading this thread that doesn't know better... Things like this are how you get blood clots in your legs/body and die.

    As Wizardry stated above, that kind of lengthy inactivity causes all sorts of health problems.  Sitting at your PC for long hours without getting some exercise has and will continue to literally kill people. 

    I feel like the public doesn't have enough awareness of these things.  On the bright side, at least with things like motion control and the upcoming VR systems, the inactivity of gaming should be lessened for many(in theory).
  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    Your preaching to the wrong community.  No one here at this site plays games, They just complain about them.

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  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    That video isn't actually telling us things we didn't know. And  actually the addiction  rate  of heroin is only about 20% still really high but no not everyone that uses it for 20 days will crave it. And actually there is a serious problem with addiction to dimorphine  and hydromorphine. 
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Retired people have been known to spend the entire day sitting at a computer... 7 days a week.  Don't assume that everyone behind a computer is a kid.
  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    DMKano said:
    There are upsides to Internet Gaming Disorder - yes this is now defined in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

    Hyper connected brains is what the MRI scans show - IMO more upsides than downsides hehe

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/304474.php

    This study was published this month.
    Interesting article, @DMKano.  Internet Gaming Disorder.  I always preferred the name EQitis, though.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    First thing the doctors ask me is if i have  had any clots in the legs and lucky at least as far as i know not yet.
    My legs are the one thing usually in really good shape because i try to walk as much as possible where as before i was taking the car too much.

    It is really scarier than you think,but we never learn or think about it when we are young only later when it is too late.

    I have a saying i like to use a lot,LIFE is not a video game, we cannot simply press reset and start over.People are likely correct when they say you can't just dwell on it and worry about it 24/7 but you really should always keep it in the back of your mind before it is too late.










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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Lokero said:
    Well, to anyone reading this thread that doesn't know better... Things like this are how you get blood clots in your legs/body and die.

    As Wizardry stated above, that kind of lengthy inactivity causes all sorts of health problems.  Sitting at your PC for long hours without getting some exercise has(and will) continue to literally kill people. 
    I'm a developer, how do you think I could work if I wasn't sitting in front of a PC 8 hours per day minimum during the week?

    What's important is what you do when you do not sit at the PC. I also play games, more PC sitting, but at home and one a better chair...

    But I also do long walks in the nature with my camera. That's the important part.

    You will get clots if you never move. People get clots when they have long (years) stays in an hospital bed for instance. You don't get clots for just working/gaming on a PC and having a normal life beside that.
    The important thing is getting up and moving around periodically.  Sitting at a computer for 12 hours per day isn't intrinsically unhealthy provided that you frequently get up and move around so that you never sit there without moving for more than half an hour at a time.  Between work and home, I'm certainly sitting at a computer for more than eight hours on most days.  But that's not at all similar to sitting at a computer for 12 hours continuously each day, which will get you health problems sooner rather than later.  14 hours per day is pushing it, though, as there isn't time to do much else.

    I actually did have some health issues from sitting too long continuously at one point--though thankfully, far shy of blood clots.  Once I found out that I need to get up and move around periodically, I was fine.  Stand up, stretch out, walk around, get some water, perhaps go to the bathroom--and then two minutes later, get back to work.  Do that every half hour or so and you can safely sit at a computer for most (not all!) of your waking hours, at least if your job involves sitting at a computer and you have appropriate diet and exercise when you're not at the computer.

    It's good for games to have natural breaks periodically that can be a cue to stop, get up, and do something else for a bit.  The lack of such breaks is one of my (many!) objections to multi-hour dungeon runs.  Though sometimes you need to run into health problems to really understand just how important it is to take suitable breaks.
  • xmentyxmenty Member UncommonPosts: 719
    Use a stand up desk 


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