Free accounts can collect the strongest equipment in the game: all of the non-Expansion Ascended gear as well as Legendary crafting. Legendary is the highest tier possible, AKA "top gear" you keep mentioning. You're the one misleading people.
Are you able to play in the game for 1 second or more for free? Yes? F2P. They don't say they're F2PACFTROYLAGAPAAOPP (free to play all content for the rest of your life and get all perks and advantages of paying players). Just like MMO, F2P is just a vague concept that clumps different types into one easily mentioned framework.
hahah F2PACFTROYLAGAPAAOPP did you just make that up xD couse its hilarious
On other matters there is a general standard of F2P games that has been present for years now, LotR, D&D, Aion, Tera, NwN and many others where additional content is optional, and you are not that restricted like in hybrids like Wildstar/SW:ToR/GW 2 , these 3 games are paid comodities, with trial option, as mentioned above, its hybrid model, and simple to understand you wont stay for long in them if you dont invest.
I like the b2p concept. Pay once and get everything you need to play the game. Must better then limited f2p which I feel is only for testing the game to see if you like it or not. Even wait and catch a sale.
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Free accounts can collect the strongest equipment in the game: all of the non-Expansion Ascended gear as well as Legendary crafting. Legendary is the highest tier possible, AKA "top gear" you keep mentioning. You're the one misleading people.
I've seen other posts and people answered mine on reddit that Laurels are necessity for Ascended gear.
Laurels being only available to paying customers.
So are you saying i dont need laurels to make Ascended, how?
Anyway it doesnt even matter ,F2P shouldnt have top gear compared to paying customers anyway. And gear isnt as relevant in this game to begin with.
Its all those other limitations that make this game hybrid B2P. So yes, you cant stay as F2P in it, its much too limiting for you to consider it. Becouse if you could buying the actual game would be useless. But calling B2P a F2P game .. is just mental.
Free accounts can collect the strongest equipment in the game: all of the non-Expansion Ascended gear as well as Legendary crafting. Legendary is the highest tier possible, AKA "top gear" you keep mentioning. You're the one misleading people.
I've seen other posts and people answered mine on reddit that Laurels are necessity for Ascended gear.
Laurels being only available to paying customers.
So are you saying i dont need laurels to make Ascended, how?
As we've previously stated, you find Ascended gear in Fractals of the Mists, PvP.
Ascended gear can be accuired from WvW,
crafting, guild missions, fractals, jumping puzzles, dragon chests. All
of which is available to F2P players.
100% of the base game is
available. every zone, every area, including the newer zones, southsun,
drytop and silverwastes. Edge of the Mists too. PvP and regular WvW.
Gonna need to check that, players on reddit and ingame said otherwise. Thx anyway!
Related to other things, not related to one single restriction ,it still makes it trial-like ,very similar to Wildstar/SW:ToR ,but once purchased ,GW2 is most balanced mmorpg out there.
So, I saw the title of this thread and the 1st thing that came to mind was "Oh boy, here we go". I went to google and did a search on "meme hitting a hornet's nest" Only what came back was
If i can download and pay for free with no level/time restriction then it is properly called free to play. Free to play does not mean nor has it ever meant everything associated with it is free.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Gonna need to check that, players on reddit and ingame said otherwise. Thx anyway!
Related to other things, not related to one single restriction ,it still makes it trial-like ,very similar to Wildstar/SW:ToR ,but once purchased ,GW2 is most balanced mmorpg out there.
Reddit generally is quite a toxic community (for most MMORPGs). When they are upset, they lose almost sense of credibility. Which is also the case on the forums, and sometimes here.
Nope don't worry about the ascended stuff. I got my first ascended weapon from a jumping puzzle, and my second from a drop from a dragon.
The game is F2P. The restrictions are only in place to make sure it cannot abuse the existing players by taking advantage of making multiple accounts, spamming, gold selling, farming, multi boxing and so on.
Their model is that the newest expansion gives access to all the goodies, but there is no gear or levelling tread mill. So you're not being forced into upgrading just to keep up. However, buying the expansion will give you access to more playstyles (new specializations and a new class). it worked like this in GW1 as well. the gear and levels were not higher in the expansions, but you did have more tactical choice by havng more skills and classes to choose from, which arbitarily is an advantage, but due to limited amount of skills you can bring with you, not in such a way that you cant be competitive and on equal footing (power wise) with the others.
That is the cause of GW being compared to Magic: The Gathering. The more cards (decks) you have the better, but you can play against someone who has fewer cards, but better at making their build and strategy and still lose to that person. You can only bring a certain amount of cards with you, just like in GW2 you can only bring a certain amount of skills with you. Right now, there needs to be a balance patch (that they are rolling out here in Q1) that will probably nerf some of the new elite specializations to put them more in line with the core ones, so we will have to see how that goes. It should be interesting:)
F2P is always a lie. You want a game to keep going, support it. F2P players are only good for one thing, when I need to level an alt, there is someone to team with. Beyond that, grow up and support the games worth playing.
This isn't true, there are plenty of games you can play for free and see no real blocks to enjoying it.
Either way, I'll take a f2p game with some restrictions over a p2p game you have to buy that becomes a coffee coaster if you don't keep paying the monthly access money.
Buying a pay to play game is paying for a 30 day demo, not so big an issue when the games are so quick to level, shallow and boring these days though I guess.
f2p is understood to be "playing PART of the game for free with no time limitation". Obviously, the limitation varies across games.
For example, in Marvel Heroes, you get to play everything from a story, and game mode point of view, but not all the heroes.
So GW2 is just doing it differently. I doubt players want to split hair and have 10 different kinds of payment methods, just f2p can describe all of these variations for convenient sake.
Originates somewhere else with some uninformed player calling GW2 F2P.
Continues with the OP saying it "isn't exactly F2P" when it's clearly not F2P.
Continues with one poster who actually claims GW2 is F2P.
Continues with one poster who makes some useless comment that F2P is all the rage.
Then after a lot of similarly meandering posts finally Feroshus comes along and correctly points out it isn't F2P.
This isn't rocket surgery:
Is the majority of the game free to play? Then the game is free to play.
Is the majority of GW2's gameplay free to play? No, you have to buy it.
Do you have to buy a game to play? Then the game is buy to play (B2P).
So obviously GW2 is B2P.
Literally the only nuance at all is that the majority of gameplay needs to be free to be free to play (because obviously Doom wasn't free to play just because there was a shareware demo of it. The distinguishing trait of free to play is that MOST of the game is free.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Originates somewhere else with some uninformed player calling GW2 F2P.
Continues with the OP saying it "isn't exactly F2P" when it's clearly not F2P.
Continues with one poster who actually claims GW2 is F2P.
Continues with one poster who makes some useless comment that F2P is all the rage.
Then after a lot of similarly meandering posts finally Feroshus comes along and correctly points out it isn't F2P.
This isn't rocket surgery:
Is the majority of the game free to play? Then the game is free to play.
Is the majority of GW2's gameplay free to play? No, you have to buy it.
Do you have to buy a game to play? Then the game is buy to play (B2P).
So obviously GW2 is B2P.
Literally the only nuance at all is that the majority of gameplay needs to be free to be free to play (because obviously Doom wasn't free to play just because there was a shareware demo of it. The distinguishing trait of free to play is that MOST of the game is free.)
You could look up the game and find some info about it.
When the expansion launched ArenaNet changed the core/original GW2 to "Free to Play". They did this alongside the launch of the expansion as paid content.
The contention as it would develop would come from those things, with people arguing that since the original content is now considered technically F2P, where others would note it still effectively being a B2P title where the original content has been shifted off as the demo.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Is the majority of the game free to play? Then the game is free to play.
Is the majority of GW2's gameplay free to play? No, you have to buy it. Yes, it is.
The majority of the game IS free to play (Read: All of it except the pitifully small new expansion areas). Read the thread next time. It's Free To Play by your own measuring stick.
Is the majority of the game free to play? Then the game is free to play.
Is the majority of GW2's gameplay free to play? No, you have to buy it. Yes, it is.
The majority of the game IS free to play (Read: All of it except the pitifully small new expansion areas). Read the thread next time. It's Free To Play by your own measuring stick.
Yeah I'd say based on that criteria it's as much of a F2P title as AOC or TOR are.
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The majority of the game IS free to play (Read: All of it except the pitifully small new expansion areas). Read the thread next time. It's Free To Play by your own measuring stick.
Huh, they sort of do a terrible job of it then. I searched all over yesterday and couldn't find a client download or mention of playing for free. All I could get to was screens asking me to buy the expansion. (On a computer which had never installed GW2 so there wouldn't have been cookies telling the computer I already owned the game.)
But yeah, verified that after creating a free account you get a download link. The OP's list doesn't contain anything that matters, so the game is clearly F2P.
It would've had to take something like WOW's level limit to prevent it from being F2P (in WOW a level 20 cap means you can't experience the majority of content for free.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
OP F2P games like Path of Exile and Marvel Heroes Online over the years have proven to be far superior than Guild Wars 2 for me, despite all the hype GW2 had prior to its release around here.
It is exactly why until now Marvel Heroes and Path of Exile has succeeded of doing far more than what Guild Wars 2 will ever do which is downloading their clients and playing them on and off through last few years, something I'll never do with GW2
Guild Wars 1 was amazing product and I truly enjoyed it for what it cost, but then again that was in 2005. Arena Net was fortunate to have success with GW2 thanks to GW1, but don't be surprised if we never see Guild Wars 3.
Wait, you haven't paid for an online game in over 5 years, unsurprising you would enjoy titles that give away the greatest portion of their content for free.
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No one cares OP. I'm surprised a game with this amount of content/polish didn't stick to it's guns at B2P. We used to have people doing backflips for B2P being a great deal over a sub. Now people aren't even willing to pay for a B2P no sub game?
No one cares OP. I'm surprised a game with this amount of content/polish didn't stick to it's guns at B2P. We used to have people doing backflips for B2P being a great deal over a sub. Now people aren't even willing to pay for a B2P no sub game?
Yup, the goalposts always keep moving.
When people start complaining that F2P is not "worth it" then you know we've reached the bottom of the barrel, lol
Next thing games will have to offer cash incentives to draw players...
No one cares OP. I'm surprised a game with this amount of content/polish didn't stick to it's guns at B2P. We used to have people doing backflips for B2P being a great deal over a sub. Now people aren't even willing to pay for a B2P no sub game?
Why pay when there are better free alternatives? It is called competition.
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couse its hilarious
On other matters there is a general standard of F2P games that has been present for years now, LotR, D&D, Aion, Tera, NwN and many others where additional content is optional, and you are not that restricted like in hybrids like Wildstar/SW:ToR/GW 2 , these 3 games are paid comodities, with trial option, as mentioned above, its hybrid model, and simple to understand you wont stay for long in them if you dont invest.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Laurels being only available to paying customers.
So are you saying i dont need laurels to make Ascended, how?
Anyway it doesnt even matter ,F2P shouldnt have top gear compared to paying customers anyway. And gear isnt as relevant in this game to begin with.
Its all those other limitations that make this game hybrid B2P.
So yes, you cant stay as F2P in it, its much too limiting for you to consider it.
Becouse if you could buying the actual game would be useless.
But calling B2P a F2P game .. is just mental.
You don't have to craft it to acquire it.
Thx anyway!
Related to other things, not related to one single restriction ,it still makes it trial-like ,very similar to Wildstar/SW:ToR ,but once purchased ,GW2 is most balanced mmorpg out there.
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Contained in
There you go, stay off of Reddit.
Only what came back was
Swedish Man Dies After Having Sex with Hornet's Nest ...
(I suppose that is what happens when you "hit a hornet's nest")Anyway, now, I don't even have it in me to respond to this thread.............
/walks away shaking head.........
F2P = free access to their servers.
B2P = initial purchase to access their servers.
Sub = continual payments to access their servers.
So yes, GW2 is F2P.
Nope don't worry about the ascended stuff. I got my first ascended weapon from a jumping puzzle, and my second from a drop from a dragon.
The game is F2P. The restrictions are only in place to make sure it cannot abuse the existing players by taking advantage of making multiple accounts, spamming, gold selling, farming, multi boxing and so on.
Their model is that the newest expansion gives access to all the goodies, but there is no gear or levelling tread mill. So you're not being forced into upgrading just to keep up. However, buying the expansion will give you access to more playstyles (new specializations and a new class). it worked like this in GW1 as well. the gear and levels were not higher in the expansions, but you did have more tactical choice by havng more skills and classes to choose from, which arbitarily is an advantage, but due to limited amount of skills you can bring with you, not in such a way that you cant be competitive and on equal footing (power wise) with the others.
That is the cause of GW being compared to Magic: The Gathering. The more cards (decks) you have the better, but you can play against someone who has fewer cards, but better at making their build and strategy and still lose to that person. You can only bring a certain amount of cards with you, just like in GW2 you can only bring a certain amount of skills with you.
Right now, there needs to be a balance patch (that they are rolling out here in Q1) that will probably nerf some of the new elite specializations to put them more in line with the core ones, so we will have to see how that goes. It should be interesting:)
Either way, I'll take a f2p game with some restrictions over a p2p game you have to buy that becomes a coffee coaster if you don't keep paying the monthly access money.
Buying a pay to play game is paying for a 30 day demo, not so big an issue when the games are so quick to level, shallow and boring these days though I guess.
For example, in Marvel Heroes, you get to play everything from a story, and game mode point of view, but not all the heroes.
So GW2 is just doing it differently. I doubt players want to split hair and have 10 different kinds of payment methods, just f2p can describe all of these variations for convenient sake.
- Originates somewhere else with some uninformed player calling GW2 F2P.
- Continues with the OP saying it "isn't exactly F2P" when it's clearly not F2P.
- Continues with one poster who actually claims GW2 is F2P.
- Continues with one poster who makes some useless comment that F2P is all the rage.
- Then after a lot of similarly meandering posts finally Feroshus comes along and correctly points out it isn't F2P.
This isn't rocket surgery:- Is the majority of the game free to play? Then the game is free to play.
- Is the majority of GW2's gameplay free to play? No, you have to buy it.
- Do you have to buy a game to play? Then the game is buy to play (B2P).
- So obviously GW2 is B2P.
Literally the only nuance at all is that the majority of gameplay needs to be free to be free to play (because obviously Doom wasn't free to play just because there was a shareware demo of it. The distinguishing trait of free to play is that MOST of the game is free.)"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
When the expansion launched ArenaNet changed the core/original GW2 to "Free to Play". They did this alongside the launch of the expansion as paid content.
The contention as it would develop would come from those things, with people arguing that since the original content is now considered technically F2P, where others would note it still effectively being a B2P title where the original content has been shifted off as the demo.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But yeah, verified that after creating a free account you get a download link. The OP's list doesn't contain anything that matters, so the game is clearly F2P.
It would've had to take something like WOW's level limit to prevent it from being F2P (in WOW a level 20 cap means you can't experience the majority of content for free.)
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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GW2 f2p is probably 80% free.
Which is much better than some of the other so called f2p games, since they have even more limitations.
When people start complaining that F2P is not "worth it" then you know we've reached the bottom of the barrel, lol
Next thing games will have to offer cash incentives to draw players...