As much as I hate cheating and cheaters in shooters, I simply refuse to play them on consoles. A controller is just to awkward for me to use. It's kind of like a right handed person throwing a football left handed. I end up looking like a girl, or a retard, or a retarded girl throwing the football.
Hopefully they will put in some type of client side file checking set up to combat this type of crap.
As much as I hate cheating and cheaters in shooters, I simply refuse to play them on consoles. A controller is just to awkward for me to use. It's kind of like a right handed person throwing a football left handed. I end up looking like a girl, or a retard, or a retarded girl throwing the football.
Hopefully they will put in some type of client side file checking set up to combat this type of crap.
I anticipate one coming... I don't see any reason to expect otherwise. It won't stop hacking.... simply because third party hacks are so prevalent on PC shooters.. but at least the client side ones will get taken care of sooner or later.
I don't think they're willfully disregarding them. I'm sure they are aware of the hacks and are getting something in place. But with The Division specifically they have been very tight lipped about their development
There isn't a problem necessarily. The developers allude to it being a pseudo MMO.. or MMO-light.. but the official page is slated as an Open World RPG.
Most publications consider it to be an MMO as it has a lot of features MMOs have .. up to and including a persistent world where lots of other players "adventure" so to speak.
The point is... it has its place here on this site, and other MMO sites as much if not more than a lot of games on the list.
Oh, I agree. He's the only person who seems to have a problem with it being listed here (other than the usual MMO purists), despite the game being closer to an MMO than most games featured here in recent months. I have to admit, it's a bit of a mystery to me as to why.
The PC version is natively developed, so it's not a crappy port being shoved on people. Thank God, because I'm so sick of games with consolitis. It's been opened up for all to see and try for a few days, allowing people to make educated decisions on whether or not it's the game for them (even though he obviously didn't bother). The developers are very honest about what it is and isn't. It's strict buy-to-play with no sub or cash shop, with additional content being added over time at a cost which is significantly less than the average MMO subscription. It's not a kickstarter or crowd-funded project with some insufferable blowhard of a failed director blowing smoke up people's asses, selling stuff which doesn't exist yet, and retconning his own press releases while insulting the intelligence of his supporters and refusing to account for the money he's taken. Plus missing every single release date and milestone set since the start of the project. The fans waiting for it aren't spamming threads about it being the next WoW-killer (though it may finally finish off Firefall), or comparing it to other games. Interest is there for a lot of people but it's been relatively low-key, though I suspect that might be due to all the attention Black Desert is getting.
At this point, I'm honestly curious why he has a such a hard-on for bashing this game.
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Yes the spokesmen for the game have been quite open and honest which i liek but to me the game is short changing buyers. It is a good game but far too small and little of a game and this is not a new trend ,too many are doing this now.
Gaming is like Pizza,at one time a medium was as big or bigger than what a large is now.Geesh now they have thin crust pizza,like how cheap can we get before it all stops?
Look at H1z1,released with ONE map,Overwatch they have but a few maps the Division is imo only the start of a quality game,they needed to add a lot more before i would buy it and consider it a fair price.What helps to drive these decisions are terrible gamer's who literally throw themselves at developers ...here take my money ,ALL of it. Look all around at every game,fanbois defending them tooth and nail,they couldn't care less about the state of the game..here is money take it all.Many won't like it but i have to say it,a ton of really bad consumers are driving a gaming industry that is delivering less and less and of lower quality.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Look at H1z1,released with ONE map,Overwatch they have but a few maps the Division is imo only the start of a quality game,they needed to add a lot more before i would buy it and consider it a fair price.
Unlike H1Z1 and Overwatch, Division has the quality in gameplay and story as a full blown single player just like Fallout 4, borderlands or Arkham Knight. So I think its worth the standard game price because outside the darkzone its a full blown single player game with optional group co-op like borderlands. The darkzone is just the cherry on top.
How does hacking work on consoles :O I mean the basic idea of hacking is to inject the hack into the game's runtime ... how do you do this on a walled garden console?
IMO the greatest hack for a console would be the ability to plug keyboard and a mouse in a FPS game. You'd be a God!
And to the guy talking about inferior graphics ... pls. Check GTAV, then add some mods. Oh wait speaking of mods. Take skyrim. Now add mods. Do you catch my drift?
Also, the difference between 30 fps (most console peasents framerate) and 60/120/144 fps makes all the difference. You don't even need a trained eye to spot the difference.
Until you compare side to side console vs PC, you won't realize it but console sucks graphics wise.
There are a number of ways to add a K&M to XB1 or PS4 .. while its nice to have, it doesn't give people the supreme advantage you may think it does.
There used to be other hacks, where you could set a connection timeout interval on a device. It would D/C and you could run somewhere else and it would reconnect and you'd essentially teleport without taking any damage. I'm not sure if its still in use, sometimes people see this.. even with newer consoles and chalk it up to connection issues on their end or the other players end. I don't see it much these days.
No idea what your point is, nor do I care. I made a specific example to show someone that didn't know ( I obviously do) that you can hook a Mouse and Key board to a console and it is not a hack or cheat.
And since you obviously DON't know yes it (using a mouse /KB on a console) does give you a hell of an advantage in certain games. You see when you use a M/KB on a consale you can still take advantage of the consoles aim assist feature. So while you have the speed and accuracy of the mouse you also have the 'stickiness' of the aim assist which greatly enhances your ability to land head shots. Combine that with the lag switch you describe and you have a very efficient set of advantages. Which are yes, quite common. Even bragged about as they are not hacks.
So in future if you are going to attempt to educate me, educate yourself first please, it will waste less of my time.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Apparently you don't realize screenshots mean nothing. Youtube videos cannot show you what a PC player sees. You play at 1080p 30fps, 60fps in some games, not to mention the amount of input lag you experience on a T.V.... I currently play at 1440p, 144fps on a 144hz monitor with FreeSync anti-screen tearing. And 1ms response times. You cannot fathom what this looks like until you see it with your own eyes. It's like looking through a window, even in fast pace FPS games. No blur, no lag. Butters.
That reminds me, I need to bother overclocking my Qnix monitor, although BnS (which is what I'm playing through right now) is frame capped at 60 FPS I believe.
It's not capped, you have vertical sync turned on, turn it of and enjoy your 120+fps!
No idea what your point is, nor do I care. I made a specific example to show someone that didn't know ( I obviously do) that you can hook a Mouse and Key board to a console and it is not a hack or cheat.
And since you obviously DON't know yes it (using a mouse /KB on a console) does give you a hell of an advantage in certain games. You see when you use a M/KB on a consale you can still take advantage of the consoles aim assist feature. So while you have the speed and accuracy of the mouse you also have the 'stickiness' of the aim assist which greatly enhances your ability to land head shots. Combine that with the lag switch you describe and you have a very efficient set of advantages. Which are yes, quite common. Even bragged about as they are not hacks.
So in future if you are going to attempt to educate me, educate yourself first please, it will waste less of my time.
I don't need any further education on the matter. In the Division the M&K isn't that big of an advantage. It would actually be MORE tiresome than a controller.. cover shooters are a completely different animal than regular shooters.
We aren't talking about a win button like it is on PC... and if you put all of this together, its still extremely low occurrences compared to cheating on PC... dare to compare? Meet me in the game at launch and we can run some tests. Hacking has already been extremely prevalent in the PC version... in my hours upon hours of play, I never fought a single person I felt had an extreme advantage over myself.. and that includes those that outgeared me.
pretty much every single article I have read describes The Division as 'an MMO'
give it a rest and sorry but attacking me is more likely going to make me stay, if you want me to go just ignore me
Stay or go is irrelevant to me. Most people concede that The Division occupies a murky area between a full-blown mmorpg and something else, so there is little point in arguing for something that really isn't in dispute. The Division belongs listed at mmorpg.com by reasonable accomodation. Evil-and-greedy-devs is just useless and knee-jerk:
pretty much every single article I have read describes The Division as 'an MMO'
give it a rest and sorry but attacking me is more likely going to make me stay, if you want me to go just ignore me
Stay or go is irrelevant to me. Most people concede that The Division occupies a murky area between a full-blown mmorpg and something else, so there is little point in arguing for something that really isn't in dispute. The Division belongs listed at mmorpg.com by reasonable accomodation. Evil-and-greedy-devs is just useless and knee-jerk:
that you can find in any game's forum.
I am going to say one more time.
Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'.
you guys are really creating a major culster F on this subject even TRYING to twist it. It makes you look fairly obvious and its much better in the long run for yourself, ubisoft and this game to just not try to go down that road
moreover the very fact that we are even talking about this in a forum associated with a 'master forum' called 'The Division' on a site called MMORPG is kinda ironical dont you think?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm actually on the brink quitting PC gaming cause of this. Personally i don't think i bump into hackers much, or people are just that good.
Usually people claim players are hacking, but forget that they maybe are just extremely good at the game.
Gives me an idea for a children's book, "The Boy Who Cried h4Xorz!"
This is the Tale of "The boy Who Cried h4Xorz!"....
Late one night in the upstairs of the Singleberry home, lived Frances Singleberry, a boy with athletic shortcomings but advanced eye to hand coordination. Frances wasn't immediately good with First Person Shooters, Action RPGs, and MMO's . It took years of afterschool gaming sessions to cultivate this albeit useless ability. His parents John and Myiang Singleberry, were the run of the mill mail order bride...I cant keep this up
pretty much every single article I have read describes The Division as 'an MMO'
give it a rest and sorry but attacking me is more likely going to make me stay, if you want me to go just ignore me
Stay or go is irrelevant to me. Most people concede that The Division occupies a murky area between a full-blown mmorpg and something else, so there is little point in arguing for something that really isn't in dispute. The Division belongs listed at mmorpg.com by reasonable accomodation. Evil-and-greedy-devs is just useless and knee-jerk:
that you can find in any game's forum.
I am going to say one more time.
Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'.
you guys are really creating a major culster F on this subject even TRYING to twist it. It makes you look fairly obvious and its much better in the long run for yourself, ubisoft and this game to just not try to go down that road
moreover the very fact that we are even talking about this in a forum associated with a 'master forum' called 'The Division' on a site called MMORPG is kinda ironical dont you think?
I don't even know what your argument is at this point. "Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'."
Ok, let's say I accept that for argument's sake. Next question:
So what? What does this have to do with anything? Seems like just a label argument which isn't very useful or enlightening. It reminds me of this:
I don't even know what your argument is at this point. "Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'."
Ok, let's say I accept that for argument's sake. Next question:
So what? What does this have to do with anything? Seems like just a label argument which isn't very useful or enlightening.
nothing! nothing at all that is my point.
I am being deliberatly focused on an attacked for saying that the developers are calling The Division an MMO, thats it full frigggggin stop.
nothing more nothing less.
and I am being attacked for it ON A FORUM called "The DIvision' on a site called MMORPG. Just STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
most importantly
LET IT GO ITS OFF TOPIC
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
pretty much every single article I have read describes The Division as 'an MMO'
give it a rest and sorry but attacking me is more likely going to make me stay, if you want me to go just ignore me
Stay or go is irrelevant to me. Most people concede that The Division occupies a murky area between a full-blown mmorpg and something else, so there is little point in arguing for something that really isn't in dispute. The Division belongs listed at mmorpg.com by reasonable accomodation. Evil-and-greedy-devs is just useless and knee-jerk:
that you can find in any game's forum.
I am going to say one more time.
Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'.
you guys are really creating a major culster F on this subject even TRYING to twist it. It makes you look fairly obvious and its much better in the long run for yourself, ubisoft and this game to just not try to go down that road
moreover the very fact that we are even talking about this in a forum associated with a 'master forum' called 'The Division' on a site called MMORPG is kinda ironical dont you think?
I don't even know what your argument is at this point. "Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'."
Ok, let's say I accept that for argument's sake. Next question:
So what? What does this have to do with anything? Seems like just a label argument which isn't very useful or enlightening.
It's not every article he posted a couple random links that some random low end writer called it an mmo. There have been 2x the articles posted that the developers clearly never called it an Mmo. But since he's and ignorant troll he tries to pretend those articles don't exist.
People need just need to stop replying to the 50 year old loser. Some where in his life Ubisoft hurt him and he is angry and blaming Ubisoft for where he is at in life.
I don't even know what your argument is at this point. "Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'."
Ok, let's say I accept that for argument's sake. Next question:
So what? What does this have to do with anything? Seems like just a label argument which isn't very useful or enlightening.
nothing! nothing at all that is my point.
I am being deliberatly focused on an attacked for saying that the developers are calling The Division an MMO, thats it full frigggggin stop.
nothing more nothing less.
and I am being attacked for it ON A FORUM called "The DIvision' on a site called MMORPG. Just STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
most importantly
LET IT GO ITS OFF TOPIC
You are not being attacked...everything everyone has said about you is 100% fact. You are a 50 year old crying for four days straight now about Ubisoft and the Division. For some reason you hold them responsible for where your life has failed and taken you at 50 years old. Those are not attacks those are facts. Deal with it.
It's not every article he posted a couple random links that some random low end writer called it an mmo. There have been 2x the articles posted that the developers clearly never called it an Mmo. But since he's and ignorant troll he tries to pretend those articles don't exist.
People need just need to stop replying to the 50 year old loser. Some where in his life Ubisoft hurt him and he is angry and blaming Ubisoft for where he is at in life.
personal attacks side.
we are actually discussing this on a forum with a dedicated Forum and feature set for The Divison on a site called MMORPG? really and I posted 5 articles where the term was used AND I got into a debate with a fan boy pretty much all day with him trying to explain to me how it IS an MMO
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's not every article he posted a couple random links that some random low end writer called it an mmo. There have been 2x the articles posted that the developers clearly never called it an Mmo. But since he's and ignorant troll he tries to pretend those articles don't exist.
People need just need to stop replying to the 50 year old loser. Some where in his life Ubisoft hurt him and he is angry and blaming Ubisoft for where he is at in life.
personal attacks side.
we are actually discussing this on a forum with a dedicated Forum and feature set for The Divison on a site called MMORPG? really and I posted 5 articles where the term was used AND I got into a debate with a fan boy pretty much all day with him trying to explain to me how it IS an MMO
Oh I'm sorry, did you play the game between yesterday and today and suddenly you have some idea as to how the game plays?
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Hopefully they will put in some type of client side file checking set up to combat this type of crap.
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I don't think they're willfully disregarding them. I'm sure they are aware of the hacks and are getting something in place. But with The Division specifically they have been very tight lipped about their development
I self identify as a monkey.
The PC version is natively developed, so it's not a crappy port being shoved on people. Thank God, because I'm so sick of games with consolitis.
It's been opened up for all to see and try for a few days, allowing people to make educated decisions on whether or not it's the game for them (even though he obviously didn't bother).
The developers are very honest about what it is and isn't.
It's strict buy-to-play with no sub or cash shop, with additional content being added over time at a cost which is significantly less than the average MMO subscription.
It's not a kickstarter or crowd-funded project with some insufferable blowhard of a failed director blowing smoke up people's asses, selling stuff which doesn't exist yet, and retconning his own press releases while insulting the intelligence of his supporters and refusing to account for the money he's taken. Plus missing every single release date and milestone set since the start of the project.
The fans waiting for it aren't spamming threads about it being the next WoW-killer (though it may finally finish off Firefall), or comparing it to other games. Interest is there for a lot of people but it's been relatively low-key, though I suspect that might be due to all the attention Black Desert is getting.
At this point, I'm honestly curious why he has a such a hard-on for bashing this game.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
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It is a good game but far too small and little of a game and this is not a new trend ,too many are doing this now.
Gaming is like Pizza,at one time a medium was as big or bigger than what a large is now.Geesh now they have thin crust pizza,like how cheap can we get before it all stops?
Look at H1z1,released with ONE map,Overwatch they have but a few maps the Division is imo only the start of a quality game,they needed to add a lot more before i would buy it and consider it a fair price.What helps to drive these decisions are terrible gamer's who literally throw themselves at developers ...here take my money ,ALL of it.
Look all around at every game,fanbois defending them tooth and nail,they couldn't care less about the state of the game..here is money take it all.Many won't like it but i have to say it,a ton of really bad consumers are driving a gaming industry that is delivering less and less and of lower quality.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
And since you obviously DON't know yes it (using a mouse /KB on a console) does give you a hell of an advantage in certain games. You see when you use a M/KB on a consale you can still take advantage of the consoles aim assist feature. So while you have the speed and accuracy of the mouse you also have the 'stickiness' of the aim assist which greatly enhances your ability to land head shots. Combine that with the lag switch you describe and you have a very efficient set of advantages. Which are yes, quite common. Even bragged about as they are not hacks.
So in future if you are going to attempt to educate me, educate yourself first please, it will waste less of my time.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
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We aren't talking about a win button like it is on PC... and if you put all of this together, its still extremely low occurrences compared to cheating on PC... dare to compare? Meet me in the game at launch and we can run some tests. Hacking has already been extremely prevalent in the PC version... in my hours upon hours of play, I never fought a single person I felt had an extreme advantage over myself.. and that includes those that outgeared me.
Cover shooters are a completely different animal.
Usually people claim players are hacking, but forget that they maybe are just extremely good at the game.
pretty much every single article I have read describes The Division as 'an MMO'
give it a rest and sorry but attacking me is more likely going to make me stay, if you want me to go just ignore me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
that you can find in any game's forum.
Every single article I have seen about this game refers to it as 'an mmo'.
you guys are really creating a major culster F on this subject even TRYING to twist it. It makes you look fairly obvious and its much better in the long run for yourself, ubisoft and this game to just not try to go down that road
moreover the very fact that we are even talking about this in a forum associated with a 'master forum' called 'The Division' on a site called MMORPG is kinda ironical dont you think?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
This is the Tale of "The boy Who Cried h4Xorz!"....
Late one night in the upstairs of the Singleberry home, lived Frances Singleberry, a boy with athletic shortcomings but advanced eye to hand coordination. Frances wasn't immediately good with First Person Shooters, Action RPGs, and MMO's . It took years of afterschool gaming sessions to cultivate this albeit useless ability. His parents John and Myiang Singleberry, were the run of the mill mail order bride...I cant keep this up
EDIT: They are not part of vivendi anymore recently
I am being deliberatly focused on an attacked for saying that the developers are calling The Division an MMO, thats it full frigggggin stop.
nothing more nothing less.
and I am being attacked for it ON A FORUM called "The DIvision' on a site called MMORPG. Just STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
most importantly
LET
IT
GO
ITS
OFF
TOPIC
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
People need just need to stop replying to the 50 year old loser. Some where in his life Ubisoft hurt him and he is angry and blaming Ubisoft for where he is at in life.
we are actually discussing this on a forum with a dedicated Forum and feature set for The Divison on a site called MMORPG? really and I posted 5 articles where the term was used AND I got into a debate with a fan boy pretty much all day with him trying to explain to me how it IS an MMO
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Whats your favorite shooooterrrr???? LOL