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Less than 1 in 1000 gamers are playing in 4k.

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Kiyoris said:
    Wizardry said:

    I can tell you right now that when i went shopping back when 1080 was mass hyped,i lined them all up and could not tell the difference between 1080p and 720,they looked the same and at times the 720 looked better for what ever reason.

    Most people can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p from my experience.


    You need glasses, it's pretty obvious that the top one is 1080p and the bottom is 720p.

    The difference between 720p and 1080p: 1 million pixels
    The difference between 1080p and 4k: 6.2 million pixels

    If you can't see the difference to 4K you are legally blind.

    Here is another 4K vs 1080p example. This time a low texture and low polygon game.

    Hearthstone 4K:



    Hearthstone 1K:


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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016
    filmoret said:
    From actual studies players cannot tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps.  Yet somehow everyone thinks they must have 60fps.
    It's a placebo effect maybe.
  • DahkohtDahkoht Member UncommonPosts: 479
    filmoret said:

    From actual studies players cannot tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps.  Yet somehow everyone thinks they must have 60fps.

    I'm guessing you also are a flat earth believer too. Because someone said it was true on the internet.






  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    Most people can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p from my experience.


    You need glasses, it's pretty obvious that the top one is 1080p and the bottom is 720p.

    The difference between 720p and 1080p: 1 million pixels
    The difference between 1080p and 4k: 6.2 million pixels

    If you can't see the difference to 4K you are legally blind.

    Here is another 4K vs 1080p example. This time a low texture and low polygon game.

    Hearthstone 4K:



    Hearthstone 1K:


    your images are not 4k or 1080p

    your image is 485x651





    my image sizes are pixel perfect to 2x1080p vertical = 2160p

    and 1920 across




  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    Kiyoris said:
    Wizardry said:



    You need glasses, it's pretty obvious that the top one is 1080p and the bottom is 720p.

    The difference between 720p and 1080p: 1 million pixels
    The difference between 1080p and 4k: 6.2 million pixels

    If you can't see the difference to 4K you are legally blind.

    Here is another 4K vs 1080p example. This time a low texture and low polygon game.

    Hearthstone 4K:



    Hearthstone 1K:


    Did you change the resolution in game and take a screen shot? Or did you take a screenshot and then change the resolution in whatever image software?  
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Hulluck said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Wizardry said:



    You need glasses, it's pretty obvious that the top one is 1080p and the bottom is 720p.

    The difference between 720p and 1080p: 1 million pixels
    The difference between 1080p and 4k: 6.2 million pixels

    If you can't see the difference to 4K you are legally blind.

    Here is another 4K vs 1080p example. This time a low texture and low polygon game.

    Hearthstone 4K:



    Hearthstone 1K:


    Did you change the resolution in game and take a screen shot? Or did you take a screenshot and then change the resolution in whatever image software?  
    I changed the resolution in game and took 2 screenshots of the same card in the Library.

    Nothing else was changed. No Photoshop used.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • DahkohtDahkoht Member UncommonPosts: 479
    Look , some of you are saying you can't tell the difference between playing at 1080p at 30fps vs playing at 4k at 60  fps.

    If that's true , you've got terrible eyesight,

    We're sorry.

    But yes , most people would instantly say 4k at 60 fps looks better than 1080p at 30 fps.

    If you can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps you're not exactly the one to judge higher resolution.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Use an image that is 1080p and one that is 720p to make a comparison between them.

    Use the 1080p as a source, and decrease it to 720p. Show both.

    You are using an image that is far far lower resolution:




  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    edited February 2016

    Kiyoris said:
    snip
    your images are not 4k or 1080p

    your image is 485x651





    my image sizes are pixel perfect to 2x1080p vertical = 2160p

    and 1920 across




    They are screenshots of the SAME CARD taken in game, changing the resolution in game.

    I never said it is a full screen grab because if i take a full screen shot you can not view it on your 1080p Monitor. 

    The 4K Resolution has MORE PIXELS for the card art than 1080p has. Which is pretty obvious if you think about it. ( 6.2million more pixels for the same image )

    Why you even debate this is beyond my understanding.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016

    your images are not 4k or 1080p

    your image is 485x651





    my image sizes are pixel perfect to 2x1080p vertical = 2160p

    and 1920 across






    Why you even debate this is beyond my understanding.
    It's not a debate, you are using a 485x651 image to prove 720p is easily distinguishable from 1080p.

    That's not right. 720p images should 1280x720.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Kiyoris said:

    snip

    Why you even debate this is beyond my understanding.
    It's not a debate, you are using a 485x651 image to prove 720p is easily distinguishable from 1080p.

    That's not right. 720p images should 1280x720.
    Can you read? I am comparing 1080p with 4K.

    Same Card, Screenshot taken in 1080p and 4K. No Photoshop used since that would be cheating. RAW Screen capture.

    It's pretty simple.


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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Kiyoris said:

    snip

    Why you even debate this is beyond my understanding.
    It's not a debate, you are using a 485x651 image to prove 720p is easily distinguishable from 1080p.

    That's not right. 720p images should 1280x720.
    Can you read? I am comparing 1080p with 4K.



    No you're not.

    Your image is not 4k or 1080p or 720p

    you're cheating








  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

    It's pretty simple.


    It would be if your images were actually the correct pixels.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Kiyoris said:
    Kiyoris said:

    snip

    Why you even debate this is beyond my understanding.
    It's not a debate, you are using a 485x651 image to prove 720p is easily distinguishable from 1080p.

    That's not right. 720p images should 1280x720.
    Can you read? I am comparing 1080p with 4K.



    No you're not.

    Your image is not 4k or 1080p or 720p

    you're cheating








    How am i cheating?

    I really want to hear this because you are a special snowflake indeed!
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    im playing in 4k but my computer was crazy expensive and even some new release i cant even run them stable because they require a better computer that mine to run in 4k with a stable fps, so no suprise for me here
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    No you're not.

    Your image is not 4k or 1080p or 720p

    you're cheating








    How am i cheating?

    wtf?

    are you seriously asking how using a far lower resolution than 1080p or 720p is cheating?

    again, wtf?
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    edited February 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    Kiyoris said:
    No you're not.

    Your image is not 4k or 1080p or 720p

    you're cheating








    How am i cheating?

    wtf?

    are you seriously asking how using a far lower resolution than 1080p or 720p is cheating?

    again, wtf?

    BOTH IMAGES ARE THE SAME SIZE!

    Please explain to me how making a screenshot of the SAME CARD in the game one time in 4K and one time in 1080p is cheating.

    THE SAME CARD NOT THE WHOLE SCREEN!

    Please, i want to hear it.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    Kiyoris said:
    No you're not.

    Your image is not 4k or 1080p or 720p

    you're cheating

    How am i cheating?

    wtf?
    Please explain to me how making a screenshot of the SAME CARD in the game one time in 4K and one time in 1080p is cheating.

    give me a 4k image of your game
  • GrumpyHobbitGrumpyHobbit Member RarePosts: 1,220
    This discussion reminds me of those TV ads for high resolution TV's.

    "See the amazing quality of the picture on our high res screen"

    Er....if the picture looks that good on my current screen...I will just keep using my current screen!

    Unless you sit in front of 2 screens with different displays you will not know what the difference is. 

    Copy pasting anything into a thread is pointless.
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    This discussion reminds me of those TV ads for high resolution TV's.

    "See the amazing quality of the picture on our high res screen"

    Er....if the picture looks that good on my current screen...I will just keep using my current screen!

    Unless you sit in front of 2 screens with different displays you will not know what the difference is. 

    Copy pasting anything into a thread is pointless.
    I think the 2 cards i posted make the difference pretty clear.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited February 2016
    snuffles, since you claim to have 4k, take a screenshot of your game and post it
  • GrumpyHobbitGrumpyHobbit Member RarePosts: 1,220

    I think the 2 cards i posted make the difference pretty clear.
    Even assuming you have not doctored the images in any way I still don't care. If I want to see the difference I will go to a shop to see it for real, not try to compare 2 unverified screen captures on MY screen. 
  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    edited February 2016
    Kiyoris said:
    snuffles, since you claim to have 4k, take a screenshot of your game and post it
    4K: ( http://i.imgur.com/DkVsBEN.jpg )



    1080p ( http://i.imgur.com/sXw0nIK.png )



    Now go ahead and cut out 1 of those cards and look at them side by side. If you are still telling me there is no difference then you are BLIND!
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117

    I think the 2 cards i posted make the difference pretty clear.
    Even assuming you have not doctored the images in any way I still don't care. If I want to see the difference I will go to a shop to see it for real, not try to compare 2 unverified screen captures on MY screen. 
    RAW screenshots right to HDD, i have no need to doctor anything.

    If you think there is no difference when you have 6.2 million more pixels then you must be crazy.

    But please go to a store and look at them side by side.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    edited February 2016

    I think the 2 cards i posted make the difference pretty clear.
    Even assuming you have not doctored the images in any way I still don't care. If I want to see the difference I will go to a shop to see it for real, not try to compare 2 unverified screen captures on MY screen. 
    And you're right to do so. MrSnuffles is posting just as much nonsense as Kiyoris here.
    If one wants to see the difference between a 40" 1080p screen and a 40" 4K one, he needs to have both side by side and witness it with his own eyes. A 4K picture posted on a forum and viewed on a 1080p screen will look like... a 1080p image.
    That's why i posted one card from the game to show how much more detail you get. It's pretty simple and shows that 8.2 million pixels do make a difference compared to a measly 2 million pixels.

    The screen size alone has nothing to do with it.

    Size + viewing distance has some effect as your eyes have a limited fovea resolution per degree in terms of changes you can see in an image.
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    "It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
    - Michael Bitton
    Community Manager, MMORPG.com

    "As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law

    "I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." 
    - SEANMCAD

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