I think its helpful in life to not get squirmish and cry in a corner when someone speaks the truth.
if you have never written any good amount of code (as in more than a weekend) or never been close a software project in any professional sense but you seem to suggest you know what developers can and can not and should and should not do then exactly what you one call that?
it doesnt suggest you should not state your views and its not to say your views are even wrong. but to cry in the corner when someone calls you a 'arm chair developer' is just asking to be picked on frankly
The thing is it doesn't take a developer to see the red flags in this project. A PM's job at it's core is to manage a project to completion by a specific due date given limited resources. The limiting factor may be time or money as they are often interchangeable (you can finish a project faster with more money sometimes) but at the end of the day there are always limits. SC from the outside seems to be a project being run on the assumption that they have as much time and money as they want to finish it. That might be the case for now but I promise you it won't last forever. There will come a day when the willingness of backers to continue to pour money into this project thus buying SC time will end and than what does SC do? Do they release the game in the state it's in at that time? What if they have not completed all the concept ships? What if major pieces are missing?
My bet is that when that day does come we will see the chairman blaming all the naysayers for poisoning the community to the point where they couldn't deliver the game as it should have been.
He will blame DS. CR will never take the blame for anything with this game.
let me be very clear.
there is nothing wrong with being called an armchair developer and there is nothing wrong with actually being one. but taking offense to the name when you are not a developer is being silly and hyper-sensitive to a child like level
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"Now you have a million game designers, a million arm chair developers, a million CEOs [telling us what to do]," Roberts explained.
But at the same time, Roberts said most of the Star Citizen community is "incredibly supportive and positive," contributing their own good ideas to the development team. This passion amongst the community is exciting and encouraging, he said."
Come on folks SC is not getting into mmorpg.com's top 10. More posts are needed. That way more people will find out about it and decide for themselves whether to check it out.
I think its helpful in life to not get squirmish and cry in a corner when someone speaks the truth.
if you have never written any good amount of code (as in more than a weekend) or never been close a software project in any professional sense but you seem to suggest you know what developers can and can not and should and should not do then exactly what you one call that?
it doesnt suggest you should not state your views and its not to say your views are even wrong. but to cry in the corner when someone calls you a 'arm chair developer' is just asking to be picked on frankly
The thing is it doesn't take a developer to see the red flags in this project. A PM's job at it's core is to manage a project to completion by a specific due date given limited resources. The limiting factor may be time or money as they are often interchangeable (you can finish a project faster with more money sometimes) but at the end of the day there are always limits. SC from the outside seems to be a project being run on the assumption that they have as much time and money as they want to finish it. That might be the case for now but I promise you it won't last forever. There will come a day when the willingness of backers to continue to pour money into this project thus buying SC time will end and than what does SC do? Do they release the game in the state it's in at that time? What if they have not completed all the concept ships? What if major pieces are missing?
My bet is that when that day does come we will see the chairman blaming all the naysayers for poisoning the community to the point where they couldn't deliver the game as it should have been.
He will blame DS. CR will never take the blame for anything with this game.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
Couldn't it also be said that people are turning it into something more than it is... because they need to be a part of the aniti-SC herd?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
1. specifically WHO is he directing that comment to and why do you think he would use that phrase? the only way out of that question is to capitulate to the term itself if you think about it.
2. Its not an insult. as ihave said I am an actual developer of 10 years but i take no offense to being called an armchair game developer because I am not a game developer its really very simple and it dosent imply my input is bad. its just stating a fact, I am not an actual game developer and that is true. me crying about it isnt going to unchange that fact.
and for the record I have been in meetings where non-developers have said things like 'I am just an armchair developer but I think that xyz' and that is considered not offensive and a normal flow of conversation. Person is just making a suggestion and acknowledging the fact that they are not actual developers either, its actually rather respectful for all parties involved.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
All this drama is so worth every penny SC backers have donated. There doesn't even need to be a game, this is legit entertainment. The best part is that we probably have at least another year of this, the only way it could get any better is if Donald Trump is brought on to endorse SC. "Star Citizen is going to be the best, most luxurious game ever made! For a limited time you can buy the Trumplinium Falcon for $5,000, or the special luxury edition which comes in shiny gold for $10,000."
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
1. specifically WHO is he directing that comment to and why do you think he would use that phrase? the only way out of that question is to capitulate to the term itself if you think about it.
2. Its not an insult. as ihave said I am an actual developer of 10 years but i take no offense to being called an armchair game developer because I am not a game developer its really very simple and it dosent imply my input is bad. its just stating a fact, I am not an actual game developer and that is true. me crying about it isnt going to unchange that fact.
and for the record I have been in meetings where non-developers have said things like 'I am just an armchair developer but I think that xyz' and that is considered not offensive and a normal flow of conversation. Person is just making a suggestion and acknowledging the fact that they are not actual developers either, its actually rather respectful for all parties involved.
1) he's directing it at the backers and probably people who haven't given him money as well cause if he's willing to insult his fan base he's gonna have no problem insulting non customers.
2) you may not find it insulting and neither do I but it doesn't change the fact that when its been used by just about anyone it's been as an insult.
If Chris wanted to not be a giant twat he could have said they get many suggestions from fans and non fans alike but they always take them into consideration. Avoids open insults to anyone and makes it seem like he actually listens to everyone regardless if it's criticism.
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
1. specifically WHO is he directing that comment to and why do you think he would use that phrase? the only way out of that question is to capitulate to the term itself if you think about it.
2. Its not an insult. as ihave said I am an actual developer of 10 years but i take no offense to being called an armchair game developer because I am not a game developer its really very simple and it dosent imply my input is bad. its just stating a fact, I am not an actual game developer and that is true. me crying about it isnt going to unchange that fact.
and for the record I have been in meetings where non-developers have said things like 'I am just an armchair developer but I think that xyz' and that is considered not offensive and a normal flow of conversation. Person is just making a suggestion and acknowledging the fact that they are not actual developers either, its actually rather respectful for all parties involved.
1) he's directing it at the backers and probably people who haven't given him money as well cause if he's willing to insult his fan base he's gonna have no problem insulting non customers.
2) you may not find it insulting and neither do I but it doesn't change the fact that when its been used by just about anyone it's been as an insult.
If Chris wanted to not be a giant twat he could have said they get many suggestions from fans and non fans alike but they always take them into consideration. Avoids open insults to anyone and makes it seem like he actually listens to everyone regardless if it's criticism.
1. All backers even those who never post anything on a forum ever? really? that make no sense at all
2. you are flat out completely and totally wrong and I am not sure if you are old enough to be working yet but the sooner you drop any and all thoughts that its considered to be an insult the more successful in work you will become. For it to be considered insulting you would have to think not being a developer in of itself is an insult and that is silly
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I am an actual developer. I have been paid as a developer for 10 years and I have worked with some pretty high profile companies.
That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
Typically when someone calls you an armchair developer they are insulting you. Chris Roberts calling people that regardless if he meant it as an insult or not is in poor taste. I doubt many if any here are insulted at being called an armchair dev (I've been called far worse names lol) but rather that Chris can insult part of his fa base and people laugh or shrug it off or in the case of this thread start adding to the insults because they need to be a part of the SC herd
1. specifically WHO is he directing that comment to and why do you think he would use that phrase? the only way out of that question is to capitulate to the term itself if you think about it.
2. Its not an insult. as ihave said I am an actual developer of 10 years but i take no offense to being called an armchair game developer because I am not a game developer its really very simple and it dosent imply my input is bad. its just stating a fact, I am not an actual game developer and that is true. me crying about it isnt going to unchange that fact.
and for the record I have been in meetings where non-developers have said things like 'I am just an armchair developer but I think that xyz' and that is considered not offensive and a normal flow of conversation. Person is just making a suggestion and acknowledging the fact that they are not actual developers either, its actually rather respectful for all parties involved.
1) he's directing it at the backers and probably people who haven't given him money as well cause if he's willing to insult his fan base he's gonna have no problem insulting non customers.
2) you may not find it insulting and neither do I but it doesn't change the fact that when its been used by just about anyone it's been as an insult.
If Chris wanted to not be a giant twat he could have said they get many suggestions from fans and non fans alike but they always take them into consideration. Avoids open insults to anyone and makes it seem like he actually listens to everyone regardless if it's criticism.
1. All backers even those who never post anything on a forum ever? really? that make no sense at all
2. you are flat out completely and totally wrong and I am not sure if you are old enough to be working yet but the sooner you drop any and all thoughts that its considered to be an insult the more successful in work you will become. For it to be considered insulting you would have to think not being a developer in of itself is an insult and that is silly
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
let me do it by asking questions
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
let me do it by asking questions
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
I give you +2 points for Trolling
But as many have pointed out Its the context and they way he came out and said what he said and as many say what you say can and will reflex on you.
Thus backers/people following the project are left with a bad taste. So as I had said in a fomer post in this thread Im not a backer or a follower in this game/project but To anyone wants to see how the creator of a project feels about your backing support there you go
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
let me do it by asking questions
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
I give you +2 points for Trolling
But as many have pointed out Its the context and they way he came out and said what he said and as many say what you say can and will reflex on you.
Thus backers/people following the project are left with a bad taste. So as I had said in a fomer post in this thread Im not a backer or a follower in this game/project but To anyone wants to see how the creator of a project feels about your backing support there you go
as I have said before I find nothing in the phrase itself to be insulting, I have heard it used in meetings in mutually understood non insulting ways, and in the context that CR used it was even more passive then the phrase is by itself.
so I have to ask.
If a person is not a developer is it insulting to call them not a developer? if so why"?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
let me do it by asking questions
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
I give you +2 points for Trolling
But as many have pointed out Its the context and they way he came out and said what he said and as many say what you say can and will reflex on you.
Thus backers/people following the project are left with a bad taste. So as I had said in a fomer post in this thread Im not a backer or a follower in this game/project but To anyone wants to see how the creator of a project feels about your backing support there you go
LOL what backers? most of the people in these threads aren't backers, on top of that reading the whole quote sounds a lot different than what the op pushed it as...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lol can't refute my points logically so resort to insults. If you would like to have a real conversation let me know and I will be happy to continue.
let me do it by asking questions
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
I give you +2 points for Trolling
But as many have pointed out Its the context and they way he came out and said what he said and as many say what you say can and will reflex on you.
Thus backers/people following the project are left with a bad taste. So as I had said in a fomer post in this thread Im not a backer or a follower in this game/project but To anyone wants to see how the creator of a project feels about your backing support there you go
LOL what backers? most of the people in these threads aren't backers, on top of that reading the whole quote sounds a lot different than what the op pushed it as...
Thats because they are in there own forum commenting not this one but yea Im not a SC backer or fan But he has asked several questions to continue the topic whats wrong with feed back that gives a point of view other then what he may think/feel
Thats because they are in there own forum commenting not this one but yea Im not a SC backer or fan But he has asked several questions to continue the topic whats wrong with feed back that gives a point of view other then what he may think/feel
there is nothing whatsoever wrong with people giving view points on what they think or feel and often its very constructive critisms but doing so does not make one a developer and one should not be insulted by suggesting that said people arent developers.
I gotta say I used to be fairly sensitive, not NEARLY this sensitive though, and it hurt me professionally a great deal. This level of sensitivity (being insulted by called not a developer when you are in fact not a developer) is going to be life restricting in all aspects of life. you guys are going to have to accept that in life you are not everything, you are some things and not other things but it doesnt mean you view points are not valid. it just means you are not a developer, that is all
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Thats because they are in there own forum commenting not this one but yea Im not a SC backer or fan But he has asked several questions to continue the topic whats wrong with feed back that gives a point of view other then what he may think/feel
Do you really think it's "constructive feedback" he's complaining about here? I'd think he's referring to folks taking subjects they have no real clue about and spinning negatives or positives out of them as if they know what they're saying...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Thats because they are in there own forum commenting not this one but yea Im not a SC backer or fan But he has asked several questions to continue the topic whats wrong with feed back that gives a point of view other then what he may think/feel
Do you really think it's "constructive feedback" he's complaining about here? I'd think he's referring to folks taking subjects they have no real clue about and spinning negatives or positives out of them as if they know what they're saying...
from reading what he said i think that is actually NOT what he is saying.
That said, although I implied people should be less senstive I think that is not correct. i think people need to know themselves better and have to learn to accept the fact that if you are not a developer then you are not a developer. sorry its just the way it is.
I didnt go to college for 10 years to become a lawyer but my friend did. In conversations with him its not uncommon for me to use the phrase 'armchair lawyer' when referning to myself and I dont suggest to know more about the law then he does. that is called maturity and/or self awareness.
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there is nothing wrong with being called an armchair developer and there is nothing wrong with actually being one. but taking offense to the name when you are not a developer is being silly and hyper-sensitive to a child like level
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That said I am not a game developer and I would take no offense at all in being called an armchair game developer.
what exactly is wrong with you people?
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2. Its not an insult. as ihave said I am an actual developer of 10 years but i take no offense to being called an armchair game developer because I am not a game developer its really very simple and it dosent imply my input is bad. its just stating a fact, I am not an actual game developer and that is true. me crying about it isnt going to unchange that fact.
and for the record I have been in meetings where non-developers have said things like 'I am just an armchair developer but I think that xyz' and that is considered not offensive and a normal flow of conversation. Person is just making a suggestion and acknowledging the fact that they are not actual developers either, its actually rather respectful for all parties involved.
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Seriously what about this game looks good so far?
Show me something I really want to play.
You should stop watching the development of this game and simply play Elite Dangerous.
Said game is further along and most likely always will be.
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2) you may not find it insulting and neither do I but it doesn't change the fact that when its been used by just about anyone it's been as an insult.
If Chris wanted to not be a giant twat he could have said they get many suggestions from fans and non fans alike but they always take them into consideration. Avoids open insults to anyone and makes it seem like he actually listens to everyone regardless if it's criticism.
2. you are flat out completely and totally wrong and I am not sure if you are old enough to be working yet but the sooner you drop any and all thoughts that its considered to be an insult the more successful in work you will become. For it to be considered insulting you would have to think not being a developer in of itself is an insult and that is silly
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
What is the name of someone who is not a developer but has good advice to give to developers?
You seem to be insulted by being called not a developer even though you are not a developer. why is being called not a developer so insulting when you are actually not a developer? if you were a developer and called not a developer then that would be insulting
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Luckily CR kept it civil, there's some very colorful alternative descriptions that could have been used instead...
some people, I feel, need some life inspection
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I give you +2 points for Trolling
But as many have pointed out Its the context and they way he came out and said what he said and as many say what you say can and will reflex on you.
Thus backers/people following the project are left with a bad taste. So as I had said in a fomer post in this thread Im not a backer or a follower in this game/project but To anyone wants to see how the creator of a project feels about your backing support there you go
so I have to ask.
If a person is not a developer is it insulting to call them not a developer? if so why"?
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Amazing why back then it actually looked like a game.
Then the CR curse hit once again in his design games. But this time no one was around to tell him no.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I gotta say I used to be fairly sensitive, not NEARLY this sensitive though, and it hurt me professionally a great deal. This level of sensitivity (being insulted by called not a developer when you are in fact not a developer) is going to be life restricting in all aspects of life. you guys are going to have to accept that in life you are not everything, you are some things and not other things but it doesnt mean you view points are not valid. it just means you are not a developer, that is all
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That said, although I implied people should be less senstive I think that is not correct. i think people need to know themselves better and have to learn to accept the fact that if you are not a developer then you are not a developer. sorry its just the way it is.
I didnt go to college for 10 years to become a lawyer but my friend did. In conversations with him its not uncommon for me to use the phrase 'armchair lawyer' when referning to myself and I dont suggest to know more about the law then he does. that is called maturity and/or self awareness.
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