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Trading

BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230
Daum opened the door up to Gold Sellers for NA market, not exactly sure why they are now allowing trading while the game that has been live for over a year that had no trading.

There was no way to move wealth from one account to another, there was no way to buy anything from another player for real money.

Gold sellers setting up farm accounts for NA release, so sad.


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  • URMAKERURMAKER Member UncommonPosts: 671
    awww man is this true? i didn't think there was any trading :(

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    If that is true, sensible move. They need to get rid of that silly auction house limitations too...
  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    Lol, shocking.
  • BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230
    People complained loudly and often in the forums and they opened up trading for CB2, just use able items.  

    While this sounds like nothing the gold sellers are very happy,  there are food buffs that sell for 300,000 a pop in Korea and Japan.  You can run three Food buffs at once, each buff can have multiple stats, so the food sells, 20 bucks for a stack of food toss it on the Market 6,000,000 less Market commission.

    Player made Health and Mana Potions weigh less than vendor ones, same thing gold seller sets up farm accounts, makes the item, people buy and use or sell on the Market.

    Been playing overseas for awhile No gold Spam, no whispers to Gold sites, no Gold mail spam, was very nice but NA will never know how nice it was.  Daum let people who don't understand the game mess it up.


  • ArchaegeoArchaegeo Member UncommonPosts: 233
    Where is the official post proving this?

    Explorer 73% Achiever 53% Socializer 53% Killer 20%

  • SvarcanumSvarcanum Member UncommonPosts: 425
    It's not on their official site nor on twitter.. I sense trolling.
  • JeridJerid Member UncommonPosts: 30
    TBH  I'd rather then either A. have full trading or B. have no trading at all.  This hybrid is unimpressive.
  • BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230
    I wish I was trolling, they have Trading in CB1 and CB2 of use able items.
    Russia wanted trading so they added limited trading, Gold Sellers liked this system.
    Korean and Japans versions do not have trading at all, which is the way the game was designed, gold sellers are no where to be found. No way to move wealth in the game unless you use the Market Place, it keeps 35 percent of the money, has a range high and low you can not put an item up out of that range, has a delay when you list your item to when it hits the market, you can only buy the cheapest item for sell you can't buy the most expensive.  The Market it does not even say who listed it, the Min Max price are within the 35 percent the Market keeps, no way to buy low sell high.  No gold spam very nice.



  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Jerid said:
    TBH  I'd rather then either A. have full trading or B. have no trading at all.  This hybrid is unimpressive.
    They are just taking baby steps  :)


  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Oh man, taking ten seconds to ignore some gold spammers is so hard!  Lets remove a core feature of MMOs and make them more like single player games so I'm not subjecting to this intense strain!  If this doesn't work maybe we'll get rid of chat all together, or maybe the ability to see other players so finally no one can interfere with my single player experience!
  • BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230

    In BD you can have three food buffs running all the time, who would not want three stacking buffs running at one time, and each one of the buffs can give multiple stats. Lighter Heal and Mana potions are nice too.

    People who sell gold will run many instances of the same game on one PC, they set them up to farm and craft.

    There are food items that sell for 345,000 a pop on KR.

    Rice Cake Soup 290,000 each KR

    Mediah Special 171,000 each

    10 Rice Cakes Soup for 20 bucks, Take your ten Rice Cakes Soups put them on the Market place, 2.9 million silver less the market place commission for 20 bucks. No one really hurt the person buying the items has more money than time to invest in BD. They guy that will toss thousands into a game gives him a chance to be LEET.

    Just one example of how what a gold seller will do in this game that they can not do in KR or Japan, there are many ways this will happen here is only one.

    They will start by making many accounts to farm materials to make tradable food items and use energy off all these accounts to produce the products

    A cheater will move their tradeable products to a temp account for the actual transactions for real money.

    A Gold seller might start with Beer not a big deal everyone needs cheap beer for their workers.

    As they skill they will sell more expensive items, such as Sute Tea, Lighter Mana pots cheaper than the AH all things that will sell very well. The accounts they use to create all this wealth never do anything wrong, they trade the sellable items to an account they do the actual items for real money. If it gets banned no big deal they can make another in minutes.

    Trading opens up a door this game had closed, some people are fighting very hard to open this door up and winning I hate to say. Look at AA how bad it was messed up by people like this, they had no way to ruin BD but they do now.

  • BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230
    edited February 2016
    You can use Amity to buy items in the game and sell on the Market Place same set up as food for a Gold seller, once you have the money buy anything trade able and then sell for real money.

    You can fish in the game AFK run ten accounts fishing, gather the money, buy anything trade able sell for real money.

    None of this works in Korean or Japanese version of the game, it is not only about the gold spam.

    No reason to have two accounts, now you can fish with one AFK, pass the money via trade able items, nothing wrong with that.



  • BenjolaBenjola Member UncommonPosts: 843
    Rhoklaw said:

    EDIT: However, you can not trade silver, so now that I think about it. Unless gold sellers want to give food and potions away for free, this will not be a benefit to gold sellers. So back to the drawing board for gold sellers finding a way to screw up the economy.
    Really dude?
    Not hard to figure this out.
    I'll help.
    In BDO, the consumable is the new gold,( the game currency which get sold for real money).
    Voila.

    I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited February 2016
    Yeah pretty obvious ,same tactic used in the eq series.
    Devs need to quit looking for a game to operate itself,you make the big money get off your ass,hire GM's ,.ACTIVE GM's and police your own game,quit looking for players and automated systems to do it for  you.
    I don't need to pretend to be any rocket scientist but simply looking at Auction house sales ,i can tell when RMT is involved as well as monitoring EASY repeatable content that RMT could exploit.

    However since MOST if not every game is too cheap to even give us SIMPLE customer support,how likely are these developers to look after RMT activity?HIGHLY unlikely.


    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • AtlasynAtlasyn Member UncommonPosts: 6
    edited February 2016
    Rhoklaw said:
    Benjola said:
    Rhoklaw said:

    EDIT: However, you can not trade silver, so now that I think about it. Unless gold sellers want to give food and potions away for free, this will not be a benefit to gold sellers. So back to the drawing board for gold sellers finding a way to screw up the economy.
    Really dude?
    Not hard to figure this out.
    I'll help.
    In BDO, the consumable is the new gold,( the game currency which get sold for real money).
    Voila.
    Uhm, I still don't understand how your equation has anything to do with gold sellers making real life money. Buying food and potions from a gold seller with in game silver they cant sell is not exactly what gold sellers are looking for. So yeah, show me exactly how gold sellers are going to make money from this and I'll agree with you.
    > Bots advertise, for example, 100k potions for 100 dollars
    > Player buys the 100k potions
    > Player sells the 100k potions on the auction house, or to vendors for 50 silver each
    > Player just effectively bought 5 million silver for 100 dollars

    In Russia, this is exactly what happens and people are not happy that gold selling has been reintroduced with this method. 

    In Korea, there are no gold sellers whatsoever because there is no player trading. Some people don't like being able to trade, others like the fact that there are no gold sellers.
  • AtlasynAtlasyn Member UncommonPosts: 6
    DMKano said:
    Player trading in BD is completely besides the point as every player can solo craft everything.

    When there is no reason to trade - why even have it?
    I completely agree with you, I'm in favor of removing trade altogether. I love the idea of having no gold sellers, and I'm personally not bothered by the lack of player trading.
  • BinafusBinafus Member UncommonPosts: 230
    Atlasyn said:
    DMKano said:
    Player trading in BD is completely besides the point as every player can solo craft everything.

    When there is no reason to trade - why even have it?
    I completely agree with you, I'm in favor of removing trade altogether. I love the idea of having no gold sellers, and I'm personally not bothered by the lack of player trading.
    BD Russia has trading of consumables, they wanted full trading this is as far as Daum said they could go.  This is what we have been testing the Russian set up, which has Gold sellers.
    Korea and Japanese no trading, they have no gold sellers.
    Daum has already said they can not add full trading to the game, which means it probably won't ever happen.
    BD was made for you to earn the items you have and there are many ways to be successful in this game and some are not a huge time sink so the people who play less do not get so far behind.
    In Russia you can buy your way to the top, you can make real money too.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    DMKano said:
    Player trading in BD is completely besides the point as every player can solo craft everything.

    When there is no reason to trade - why even have it?
    Because forcing players into something they do not want to do is not a good idea...?
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