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Are professions good for anything besides making money?

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  • BlurBlehBlurBleh Member UncommonPosts: 162
    Gdemami said:
    By depth I meant the sheer amount of combination of horse breeding there is, not the fact that higher tier horses are simply better.
    Yeah, but that is no depth/complexity :-P
    To me it is, if you want a specific horse, you will have to plan early and go down a specific breeding path. And by making such a choice you will have to forgo other options. The high opportunity cost of crafting is what differentiates a complex and deep crafting system.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    By versions you mean grades of armors and weapons? Yes.
    Sorry, my bad.

    I meant region where the game was released. iirc, I read a guide saying that +18 gear can be destroyed upon enchantment failure, not sure if my memory is failing or it was applicapable to some other region release.

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,164
    edited March 2016
    I doubt very much people are going hmm this is complicacy and not complexity. They just enjoy it and think it has depth as evidenced by the numerous times the word 'depth and complicated' has been used in many threads. I doubt trying to point this difference out has any bearing on what a person might perceive as complicated and as having depth.


    I think anyone who has played other MMORPG will just compare it to those games and decide depth and complexity with that litmus.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

     Are professions good for anything besides making money?

    Kinda like in real life...no

    HA! Not all games are like that, some if you dont craft certain items it can affect many things and in some games even your live

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  • BlurBlehBlurBleh Member UncommonPosts: 162
    Gdemami said:
    By versions you mean grades of armors and weapons? Yes.
    Sorry, my bad.

    I meant region where the game was released. iirc, I read a guide saying that +18 gear can be destroyed upon enchantment failure, not sure if my memory is failing or it was applicapable to some other region release.

    It is the case on the Korean server. Though I do not play on the NA/EU side, there is no reason for Pearl Abyss/Daum to change it. If I'm a betting person I would put my money on it being the same.

    As to the source you've seen, it might be one of those rumor/speculation articles in the early days of OBT, where many English players, some Koreans too, mistakenly believe that gear destruction is a thing in the game.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    kitarad said:
    I doubt very much people are going hmm this is complicacy and not complexity. They just enjoy it and think it has depth as evidenced by the numerous times the word 'depth and complicated' has been used in many threads. I doubt trying to point this difference out has any bearing on what a person might perceive as complicated and as having depth.


    I think anyone who has played other MMORPG will just compare it to those games and decide depth and complexity with that litmus.
    Well, I would say those people are mostly affected by connotations: simple = bad, thempark = bad, thus when they find a game they enjoy, it is suddenly complex sandbox...regardless of actual game mechanics and design. 

    Odd way of thinking... /shrugs
  • mayito7777mayito7777 Member UncommonPosts: 768
    In Wildstar you cannot make money with professions, all the contrary

    want 7 free days of playing? Try this

    http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    I've been looking up numerous crafting guides and the none them answer the question of WHY should I craft.
    I have to say if you are wanting to focus on crafting is this really the right game for you?

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    I've been looking up numerous crafting guides and the none them answer the question of WHY should I craft.
    I have to say if you are wanting to focus on crafting is this really the right game for you?
    I'd actually say it's one of the best MMORPGs on the market for crafters.
    my hunch is you mean to say best AAA MMORPG for crafters.. No just MMORPG (aka Wurm...again)

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I've been looking up numerous crafting guides and the none them answer the question of WHY should I craft.
    I have to say if you are wanting to focus on crafting is this really the right game for you?
    I'd actually say it's one of the best MMORPGs on the market for crafters.
    my hunch is you mean to say best AAA MMORPG for crafters.. No just MMORPG (aka Wurm...again)
    I personally find it way more interesting and dynamic in BDO than in Wurm, even if we disregard the AAA production quality. Not to mention that if some people already disliked the BDO UI (before they eventually found out that you can completely customize it), well, the Wurm UI is the book definition of clunky.

    To each his own, of course.
    odd given we are talking about crafting but ok whatever.


    good UI vs. not being able to build a home or terraform.

    ok well yeah different standards on crafting for sure

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  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374
    edited March 2016
    And using profession one can make hp pots and weapon so when finaly the "blader" comes.
    You can have everything ready to PWN#@#$ it in a major way.
    Can cut off  his ears and return them in an envelope.
    And write on it "Dont u just wish you took my 7 day pass to train"
    And not to forget one can make a stone for the place that you put him to rest that say's
    "Here lies DMKano  (or at least most of the stufff that was connected to him)"

    (not that i actually craft i just ride around on my horse with my 2 cats and shoot at stuff)

    But i am having fun with it.
    I am not grinding as fast as i can to max level.
    Its not the first thing i load up when i wake up.
    I do not eat behind my pc while leveling.
    I am actualy relaxing doing stuff and having fun.
    And that has not happened in a long time.
    So they must have done somthing right in this game.

    B.T.W. Aurabullets is right its the same stuff we see in a lot of mmo's
    Just more complicated so it looks different :pleased:

     



  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235
    To answer the OP's simple question, can you get more out of crafting etc. than just making money, then the answer is yes.
    Crafted food gives buffs of all kinds, you can craft armour equipment and weapons, utensils for other tasks like fishing rods, the list is endless.

    Don't think this is some crafting system like WOW. That is like comparing Maths 101 to the General Theory of Relativity. BDO has depth, real depth, it's not for kids :).
    That remains to be seen but I am sceptical. It has complexity sure, but that does not automatically mean that it has depth.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016


    Crafting when it's made utterly impractical and tedious by a bad UI is suddenly much less fun.

    Just like any product, the crafting element of a video game involves more that just the function, it also involves the tools the player has to use it.
    I have to be honest this all sounds like a bunch of B.S. coming from someone who is not serious about crafting to be completely frank. The UI in Wurm is not THAT bad and if it comes to a bit of clunklyness vs not being able to plant trees nearly anywhere you want, build multiple buildings pretty much anywhere, build castles pretty much anywhere, several levels of crafting complexity, nearly all of the 1000s of items having a use it and being able to completely and totally transform a desert into a thriving forest comes off sounding pretty petty to be frank.

    I am not suggesting BDO doesnt have one of the best crafting engines ever from what I have seen it very well could be but to suggest its better that Wurm in the area of crafting is being down right delusional. 

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  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 723
    SEANMCAD said:
    I've been looking up numerous crafting guides and the none them answer the question of WHY should I craft.
    I have to say if you are wanting to focus on crafting is this really the right game for you?
    I think you are misunderstanding. I am not a crafter. I mainly PvP. So I was asking, for a PvPer, is crafting worth doing? Its not. I was discussing this with my guild last night, and apparently, I cant give them items. I was planning to take up Cooking and Alchemy, and give them potions/food for sieges, but I cant even do that.

    In other words, you can ONLY use crafting in this game to make money. I cant help my friends or guild by giving them items. So for a person like me, this aspect of the game is utterly useless. I'm not complaining, I just wanted to know before I invested my time into it.

    Now, I can head into the PvP content without any doubts I was missing anything.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited March 2016
    Gdemami said:
    Complicacy and complexity are not the same.


    Lol you should make that your sig... it'll keep you from repeating yourself so often. And BTW, there are other synonyms for complexity also that let you spin it into a positive or negative as you desire... convoluted and intricate come to mind.

    Bottom line: if you like it, it's complexity, if you don't, it's complicacy. Subjectivity FTW!

    I hope you do realize that all of those adjectives can be applied, depending on your perspective, to any except the simplest of crafting systems in any game that has crafting... the different synonyms are there to put a spin on how you personally feel about the enjoyment of the complexity.
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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    I've been looking up numerous crafting guides and the none them answer the question of WHY should I craft. I know many people like to play the auction house and amass wealth, but I'm not one of those people. I crafted extensively on WoW because there were obvious benefits besides making money. If I was raiding or PvPing I could put down a feast and cauldron and buff everyone, or if I wanted to goof off I could make something that turned me into a dragon or whatever. I see nothing like that in this game, and if there is, I haven't heard about it.

    So for someone like me, who doesn't care about making money, is crafting worth doing in this game? My main concern is PvP and I fail to see how crafting will help me in that regard.

    I think crafting systems should only be for those who can decide for themselves if they want to craft or not.  Not for the person who has to ask "why should I craft?".
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  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 723
    waynejr2 said:
    I think crafting systems should only be for those who can decide for themselves if they want to craft or not.  Not for the person who has to ask "why should I craft?".

    Do you realize how asinine that sound? This isn't about deciding if you want to do something. This is cost analysis.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    waynejr2 said:
    I think crafting systems should only be for those who can decide for themselves if they want to craft or not.  Not for the person who has to ask "why should I craft?".

    Do you realize how asinine that sound? This isn't about deciding if you want to do something. This is cost analysis.
    actually i think it makes perfect sense.

    it depends on one personality type and objective. 

    You play to win..winning is your game, no care how to get there, show me the best path and I go.

    Other players like myself want to play for fun, every hour, fun or satisfying or compelling or rewarding to task

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  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 723
    SEANMCAD said:
    waynejr2 said:
    I think crafting systems should only be for those who can decide for themselves if they want to craft or not.  Not for the person who has to ask "why should I craft?".

    Do you realize how asinine that sound? This isn't about deciding if you want to do something. This is cost analysis.
    actually i think it makes perfect sense.

    it depends on one personality type and objective. 

    You play to win..winning is your game, no care how to get there, show me the best path and I go.

    Other players like myself want to play for fun, every hour, fun or satisfying or compelling or rewarding to task
    Yeah, I will always try to find the optimal path to do something, but that doesn't mean I don't want to have fun. I also dont think you should deny an entire system from someone because they are on the fence about it. For me, its less of an issue, but for others it could be a deal breaker.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    waynejr2 said:
    I think crafting systems should only be for those who can decide for themselves if they want to craft or not.  Not for the person who has to ask "why should I craft?".

    Do you realize how asinine that sound? This isn't about deciding if you want to do something. This is cost analysis.
    actually i think it makes perfect sense.

    it depends on one personality type and objective. 

    You play to win..winning is your game, no care how to get there, show me the best path and I go.

    Other players like myself want to play for fun, every hour, fun or satisfying or compelling or rewarding to task
    Yeah, I will always try to find the optimal path to do something, but that doesn't mean I don't want to have fun. I also dont think you should deny an entire system from someone because they are on the fence about it. For me, its less of an issue, but for others it could be a deal breaker.
    oh and I agree I am just saying different people approach different things. 

    perfect example: One of the reasons I like crafting is like to learn how a system works and experiement with different ideas. Someone who is competitive likely doesnt motovate that way.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Iselin said:
    ol you should make that your sig... it'll keep you from repeating yourself so often. And BTW, there are other synonyms for complexity also that let you spin it into a positive or negative as you desire... convoluted and intricate come to mind.

    Bottom line: if you like it, it's complexity, if you don't, it's complicacy. Subjectivity FTW!

    I hope you do realize that all of those adjectives can be applied, depending on your perspective, to any except the simplest of crafting systems in any game that has crafting... the different synonyms are there to put a spin on how you personally feel about the enjoyment of the complexity.
    Don't judge others by your own standards...



  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    First of all you cannot make money by playing the broker in BDO, as the broker imposes a 30% tax on all sales, and prices change slowly over time as it is determined by the system, so people cannot put whatever price they see fit on an item.
    How terribly dull. An unimaginative and static economy results.

    Ah well, on to the next title!
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    From reading the OPs follow up basically his question is a crafters equivalent of something like this:

    Q:'is training my climbing skill have any purpose other than to climb higher?'
    A: 'Well yes it builds body strength which will help you get the larger boats into the water once you have crafted them'

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Gdemami said:
    Iselin said:
    ol you should make that your sig... it'll keep you from repeating yourself so often. And BTW, there are other synonyms for complexity also that let you spin it into a positive or negative as you desire... convoluted and intricate come to mind.

    Bottom line: if you like it, it's complexity, if you don't, it's complicacy. Subjectivity FTW!

    I hope you do realize that all of those adjectives can be applied, depending on your perspective, to any except the simplest of crafting systems in any game that has crafting... the different synonyms are there to put a spin on how you personally feel about the enjoyment of the complexity.
    Don't judge others by your own standards...



    My standards? Just pointing out synonyms can have built-in spin. You've been saying the same thing about complexity =/= complicacy in several threads. Well guess what, they do mean pretty well the same thing.

    Not that complexity itself is even a de-facto positive adjective - it's neutral. It has been used in this forum to describe aspects of BDO in a positive way by those who are enjoying it. So you chose to use an obscure synonym of complexity with a slight negative connotation instead because you don't think much of BDOs complexity. That's all you're doing.

    I hazard to guess that a large portion of people in this forum have never even seen the word complicacy used in written English. They might have incorrectly believed that complicacy =/= complexity as you have so often stated. Someone had to call you on it... that's all.

    If that's judgmental of me (can't see it myself), well so be it.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited March 2016
    Iselin said:
    My standards?
    Indeed. You lack understanding of some topic and expecting everyone is lacking the same. You do not know the difference between the two, but why being obtuse about it..?
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