Rob Irving (Former Lead Designer of Star Citizen) interview - admits Escapists article is true

Kefo

Realizer said:

 Personally I think it's hilarious that as soon as these guys are out of the job, they run to the nearest news site and do interviews for money. Hopefully they can grow up and become adults, and figure out the world isn't some cutesy time story where everyone is nice and cares about your feelings. It's a game company not a Democracy, you get paid to do a job, so do it, or leave and let someone replace you that can do the job.

Right so if there's workplace harassment going on you should just put your head down and do your job. Or if there is mismanagement of backer funds then you need to shut up or leave.

A game company is not a democracy but it doesn't mean they get to run it like a dictatorship and treat everyone under you like garbage. Not saying it is a dictatorship but giving an example 

Realizer

 Must be nice for SC employees knowing that they don't have to worry about money after leaving. All they have to do is talk about vague references and generally shit talk Roberts, and the media sites will pay them. If only all companies had anti-fans ready to click any bait they can find, then everybody could do it.

SEANMCAD

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Personally I think it's hilarious that as soon as these guys are out of the job, they run to the nearest news site and do interviews for money. Hopefully they can grow up and become adults, and figure out the world isn't some cutesy time story where everyone is nice and cares about your feelings. It's a game company not a Democracy, you get paid to do a job, so do it, or leave and let someone replace you that can do the job.

Right so if there's workplace harassment going on you should just put your head down and do your job. Or if there is mismanagement of backer funds then you need to shut up or leave.

A game company is not a democracy but it doesn't mean they get to run it like a dictatorship and treat everyone under you like garbage. Not saying it is a dictatorship but giving an example 

the OP is about 'feature creep' not workplace harassment

Kefo

SEANMCAD said:

Kefo said:

Shodanas said:

Deathenger said:

This is just glorious. The fanbois are really scooping from the bottom barrel of excuses to try and counter Rob's comment on the article.

Escape Artist stood by the article despite CR legal threats and CR still did nothing. So why didn't CR push his legal threats? Because they know it's true and wouldn't have a leg to stand on it court when they would have to call people in to testify.

We're going to see more and more of this and I love every second of it.

Irving: "there is some truth to the article". without of course elaborating on this "truth". Not one bit.

Translation commenced by the maker of this thread and the anti SC aquad: Everything in the article is spot on.

I sure hope we see more of this.

Not all of us "anti-sc" people take what he said as all of the article as being true. When he does make a vague statement like that though you will question what part he is talking about and it is a nod to the escapist that they weren't just bullshitting an article. 

its all about 'feature creep'

the 'anit-sc' community is terrible at making troll posts.

Go back and goto the part of the video where he talks about the escapist article. Now tell me where in that little portion of the video does he say anything about feature creep?

I will save you the time and tell you he doesn't. You are more then welcome to argue the point but it will be a losin battle for you.

Kefo

Realizer said:

 Must be nice for SC employees knowing that they don't have to worry about money after leaving. All they have to do is talk about vague references and generally shit talk Roberts, and the media sites will pay them. If only all companies had anti-fans ready to click any bait they can find, then everybody could do it.

And the fans trying to discredit him are any better how? 

SEANMCAD

Kefo said:

Go back and goto the part of the video where he talks about the escapist article. Now tell me where in that little portion of the video does he say anything about feature creep?

I will save you the time and tell you he doesn't. You are more then welcome to argue the point but it will be a losin battle for you.

its about Feature Creep.

If it was about any HR practices at all the OP would have put at least one quote but he didnt. all he pointed to was Feature Creep. Total fail post from the start

Realizer

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Personally I think it's hilarious that as soon as these guys are out of the job, they run to the nearest news site and do interviews for money. Hopefully they can grow up and become adults, and figure out the world isn't some cutesy time story where everyone is nice and cares about your feelings. It's a game company not a Democracy, you get paid to do a job, so do it, or leave and let someone replace you that can do the job.

Right so if there's workplace harassment going on you should just put your head down and do your job. Or if there is mismanagement of backer funds then you need to shut up or leave.

A game company is not a democracy but it doesn't mean they get to run it like a dictatorship and treat everyone under you like garbage. Not saying it is a dictatorship but giving an example 

 It depends, is it actually harassment, or are the managers just being regular people instead of little corporate fluffy bunnies? It seems like all run of the mill problems that most companies have. If you've never had a boss who's a dick I'm happy for you, but that's not how the real world works.

Kefo

Realizer said:

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Personally I think it's hilarious that as soon as these guys are out of the job, they run to the nearest news site and do interviews for money. Hopefully they can grow up and become adults, and figure out the world isn't some cutesy time story where everyone is nice and cares about your feelings. It's a game company not a Democracy, you get paid to do a job, so do it, or leave and let someone replace you that can do the job.

Right so if there's workplace harassment going on you should just put your head down and do your job. Or if there is mismanagement of backer funds then you need to shut up or leave.

A game company is not a democracy but it doesn't mean they get to run it like a dictatorship and treat everyone under you like garbage. Not saying it is a dictatorship but giving an example 

 It depends, is it actually harassment, or are the managers just being regular people instead of little corporate fluffy bunnies? It seems like all run of the mill problems that most companies have. If you've never had a boss who's a dick I'm happy for you, but that's not how the real world works.

Being a boss and being a dick should never be used in the same sentence. If a boss can't keep how they feel about you out of their work life then they need to step back and re-evaluate how they manage things. Chances are if most of your employees are calling you a dick behind your back (or to your face) then there is a reason for it.

Kefo

SEANMCAD said:

Kefo said:

Go back and goto the part of the video where he talks about the escapist article. Now tell me where in that little portion of the video does he say anything about feature creep?

I will save you the time and tell you he doesn't. You are more then welcome to argue the point but it will be a losin battle for you.

its about Feature Creep.

If it was about any HR practices at all the OP would have put at least one quote but he didnt. all he pointed to was Feature Creep. Total fail post from the start

Actually the feature creep in the OP was only mentioned halfway down. The top half you seem to be completely ignoring

Hatefull

Just a quick question...how much has been given to CIG thus far to make Star Citizen?  I just played the free trial and it looks like about 40 maybe 50K was spent on it.  Simply terrible.

Talonsin

SEANMCAD said:

the 'anit-sc' community is terrible at making troll posts.

And you are terrible at typing/spelling.  You have miss-typed/spelling errors in multiple posts in this thread alone.  But that doesn't mean you don't know how to bake a great apple pie!

Talonsin

Hatefull said:

Just a quick question...how much has been given to CIG thus far to make Star Citizen?  I just played the free trial and it looks like about 40 maybe 50K was spent on it.  Simply terrible.

Slightly more than that has been given. 

unfilteredJW

I'm not sure if hate boners work like regular boners, but if so, you should get it checked out after 4 hours.

SEANMCAD

Talonsin said:

SEANMCAD said:

the 'anit-sc' community is terrible at making troll posts.

And you are terrible at typing/spelling.  You have miss-typed/spelling errors in multiple posts in this thread alone.  But that doesn't mean you don't know how to bake a great apple pie!

which just prooves my point that this post is  about 'feature creep' and has nothing at all to do with any HR practices at all.

Realizer

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Personally I think it's hilarious that as soon as these guys are out of the job, they run to the nearest news site and do interviews for money. Hopefully they can grow up and become adults, and figure out the world isn't some cutesy time story where everyone is nice and cares about your feelings. It's a game company not a Democracy, you get paid to do a job, so do it, or leave and let someone replace you that can do the job.

Right so if there's workplace harassment going on you should just put your head down and do your job. Or if there is mismanagement of backer funds then you need to shut up or leave.

A game company is not a democracy but it doesn't mean they get to run it like a dictatorship and treat everyone under you like garbage. Not saying it is a dictatorship but giving an example 

 It depends, is it actually harassment, or are the managers just being regular people instead of little corporate fluffy bunnies? It seems like all run of the mill problems that most companies have. If you've never had a boss who's a dick I'm happy for you, but that's not how the real world works.

Being a boss and being a dick should never be used in the same sentence. If a boss can't keep how they feel about you out of their work life then they need to step back and re-evaluate how they manage things. Chances are if most of your employees are calling you a dick behind your back (or to your face) then there is a reason for it.

 Yep, they usually are dicks this is true. It also doesn't stop them from getting to their end goals. The thing is you might have a case, if you were preaching to shareholders, but you're not. That's the thing about private companies, you can run one and be dick or employ friends who are dicks. No one can tell you not to because you're the owner. If people stop giving money, they might have to think about these things. That's not really an issue though, because most SC fans don't care if Roberts is a "nice guy" they care about the game he's making. 

 Whether that is right or not, it doesn't make the facts untrue. Such as we still have no hard evidence of this being the case, we only have conjecture at this point. We also know these people get paid for their interviews. We also know there are a lot of people who will jump on a bandwagon when one forms; even if the hype isn't true. Especially when there's money to be made by doing so. 

 In a nutshell I'm saying until we have hard evidence, or an actual complaint filed, instead of conjecture in money making articles. I'll continue to not care about what these articles say. Because they are exactly what they seem like, a way to make money. If these people were truly wronged while working for CIG they should file a formal complaint with a local agency, or hire a lawyer and sue. If they don't, I'll keep assuming it's all BS.

Saxx0n

Torval said:

These entire threads are just back and forth pot shots at the personal character of various individuals. Is anyone surprised at this?

Seems op is just another dsmart alt.

Kefo

SEANMCAD said:

Talonsin said:

SEANMCAD said:

the 'anit-sc' community is terrible at making troll posts.

And you are terrible at typing/spelling.  You have miss-typed/spelling errors in multiple posts in this thread alone.  But that doesn't mean you don't know how to bake a great apple pie!

which just prooves my point that this post is  about 'feature creep' and has nothing at all to do with any HR practices at all.

And there you have it folks, proves his own argument right just because! I'd say arguing with you Sean is like arguing with a crazy hobo except I wouldn't want to insult them.

Kefo

Realizer said:

 Yep, they usually are dicks this is true. It also doesn't stop them from getting to their end goals. The thing is you might have a case, if you were preaching to shareholders, but you're not. That's the thing about private companies, you can run one and be dick or employ friends who are dicks. No one can tell you not to because you're the owner. If people stop giving money, they might have to think about these things. That's not really an issue though, because most SC fans don't care if Roberts is a "nice guy" they care about the game he's making. 

 Whether that is right or not, it doesn't make the facts untrue. Such as we still have no hard evidence of this being the case, we only have conjecture at this point. We also know these people get paid for their interviews. We also know there are a lot of people who will jump on a bandwagon when one forms; even if the hype isn't true. Especially when there's money to be made by doing so. 

 In a nutshell I'm saying until we have hard evidence, or an actual complaint filed, instead of conjecture in money making articles. I'll continue to not care about what these articles say. Because they are exactly what they seem like, a way to make money. If these people were truly wronged while working for CIG they should file a formal complaint with a local agency, or hire a lawyer and sue. If they don't, I'll keep assuming it's all BS.

Well I can actually agree with most of what you said.  Where we run into an issue is with people filing a complaint or hiring a lawyer to sue if they were wronged. While it would be nice to just be able to file a complaint and then continue on with your life, most people have families to think about. They also have to worry about ever getting a job again in the field so unfortunately money is the deciding factor in their lives and it will buy their silence if they want it to or not.

Talonsin

Kefo said:

And there you have it folks, proves his own argument right just because! I'd say arguing with you Sean is like arguing with a crazy hobo except I wouldn't want to insult them.

But he makes a mean apple pie!

SEANMCAD

Kefo said:

SEANMCAD said:

Talonsin said:

SEANMCAD said:

the 'anit-sc' community is terrible at making troll posts.

And you are terrible at typing/spelling.  You have miss-typed/spelling errors in multiple posts in this thread alone.  But that doesn't mean you don't know how to bake a great apple pie!

which just prooves my point that this post is  about 'feature creep' and has nothing at all to do with any HR practices at all.

And there you have it folks, proves his own argument right just because! I'd say arguing with you Sean is like arguing with a crazy hobo except I wouldn't want to insult them.

pretty much my claim is correct until someone has the balls to post a quote that is remotely related to HR practices.
Otherwise I am right

gervaise1

Well done OP. Your further promotion of the game has been excellent.

Anyone who has now listened to the interview is likely to have a much more positive view of SC.

Clap, clap, clap, clap .... 

We all know why Escapist does this stuff - clickbait. If you want to troll SC why not point out what is missing. Comment on the features still to be added list. Say why some stuff might be hard to pull off. Whatever. You unable to do that?

Most people, imo, are open minded. Neither anti- nor pro. I myself see no reason to undermine the on-going efforts to create a game that - clearly - a lot of people hope will get made. We need companies making games; we need to encourage and nurture them.

Realizer

Kefo said:

Realizer said:

 Yep, they usually are dicks this is true. It also doesn't stop them from getting to their end goals. The thing is you might have a case, if you were preaching to shareholders, but you're not. That's the thing about private companies, you can run one and be dick or employ friends who are dicks. No one can tell you not to because you're the owner. If people stop giving money, they might have to think about these things. That's not really an issue though, because most SC fans don't care if Roberts is a "nice guy" they care about the game he's making. 

 Whether that is right or not, it doesn't make the facts untrue. Such as we still have no hard evidence of this being the case, we only have conjecture at this point. We also know these people get paid for their interviews. We also know there are a lot of people who will jump on a bandwagon when one forms; even if the hype isn't true. Especially when there's money to be made by doing so. 

 In a nutshell I'm saying until we have hard evidence, or an actual complaint filed, instead of conjecture in money making articles. I'll continue to not care about what these articles say. Because they are exactly what they seem like, a way to make money. If these people were truly wronged while working for CIG they should file a formal complaint with a local agency, or hire a lawyer and sue. If they don't, I'll keep assuming it's all BS.

Well I can actually agree with most of what you said.  Where we run into an issue is with people filing a complaint or hiring a lawyer to sue if they were wronged. While it would be nice to just be able to file a complaint and then continue on with your life, most people have families to think about. They also have to worry about ever getting a job again in the field so unfortunately money is the deciding factor in their lives and it will buy their silence if they want it to or not.

 Well that argument doesn't hold much water once people start giving their names in the articles, such as Mr.Irving did. If something is wrong at the company, and you're willing to put your name out for all to see, you should be willing to take real action. Instead of vaguely saying some of it is true, tell us or don't. Trying instead to just make a quick buck from an article, is just as scummy as the people who are assholes in the workplace. If something is truly wrong, then take the correct actions, or don't.

  Many lawyers would be willing to take a case pro bono, if they think it's a clear cut victory. Or they can also withhold their portion of a payment from whatever the settlement is, if there is one. The excuses for why we should just continue to care about these articles; if non of these people are going to actually take meaningful  action, or provide solid proof, is just getting old at this point.  I don't want to invalidate their experiences, but if they expect us to actually care enough to not want to play SC, they better give us something solid.

Vrika

SEANMCAD said:

Vrika said:

I think it's huge that Rob comments "there is certainly some truth to the article". He had good opportunity to dismiss the article, or dodge the question without commenting on whether it was true.

But he chose to comment that there's some truth to the article.

It's not a verification that everything in article is true, far from it. But I think we can dismiss the claims that the article was just all lies or false rumours, unless we want to also accuse Rob Irving or perpetrating those lies and false rumours about Star Citizen.

specific to 'feature creep' and only feature creep 

That's not what Rob Irving said.

Burntvet

Kefo said:

Shodanas said:

Deathenger said:

This is just glorious. The fanbois are really scooping from the bottom barrel of excuses to try and counter Rob's comment on the article.

Escape Artist stood by the article despite CR legal threats and CR still did nothing. So why didn't CR push his legal threats? Because they know it's true and wouldn't have a leg to stand on it court when they would have to call people in to testify.

We're going to see more and more of this and I love every second of it.

Irving: "there is some truth to the article". without of course elaborating on this "truth". Not one bit.

Translation commenced by the maker of this thread and the anti SC aquad: Everything in the article is spot on.

I sure hope we see more of this.

Not all of us "anti-sc" people take what he said as all of the article as being true. When he does make a vague statement like that though you will question what part he is talking about and it is a nod to the escapist that they weren't just bullshitting an article. 

This is how I took it.

Personally, I am in the camp that SC is not a scam (beyond the ship selling maybe) but will eventually release as far less than was promised.

And that was mostly what I took away from the Escapist article as the most likely outcome.

What this former employee only makes that more likely.

SEANMCAD

Vrika said:

SEANMCAD said:

Vrika said:

I think it's huge that Rob comments "there is certainly some truth to the article". He had good opportunity to dismiss the article, or dodge the question without commenting on whether it was true.

But he chose to comment that there's some truth to the article.

It's not a verification that everything in article is true, far from it. But I think we can dismiss the claims that the article was just all lies or false rumours, unless we want to also accuse Rob Irving or perpetrating those lies and false rumours about Star Citizen.

specific to 'feature creep' and only feature creep 

That's not what Rob Irving said.

so that is a posted quote of something related to HR?

nope its not