Remind me! 4 weeks - "Insider info; how deep does the rabbit hole go?"

Kefo

GrumpyHobbit said:

goobsnews said:

Brenics said:

This is a great post and it does show how much trouble Roberts is in. Plus the way a lot of pro SC people act in this thread does show how bad they want any thread that puts SC in a bad light closed. Which gives this post a lot of credibility. 

I really wish 3 years ago Roberts would of just made the game with the original idea. He just couldn't resist adding stuff the game just did not need at the time. So instead of a good game being made he just created a train that ran off the tracks. 

That is exactly the problem with Roberts. 

The response to the post on the SC Reddit (Well known for being verrrrry pro SC) was to delete it immediately. I think that's more telling than anything. Why not just let it exist and have the believers laugh at how bad and wrong it is like all other anti-SC posts on there? I'm glad more people are waking up to this.

If you had control of a forum and someone called you all the names under the sun, accused you of fraud, accused you of racism, accused you of misuse of funds, accused you of blah blah blah would you shrug and 'let them post the lies it will not have any effect' or would you deal with them?

Hell this site deletes posts and bans posters for stuff they write (lots of SC haters too) because they are obviously troll posts, of flaming or contravening something in the TOS.

Why should ANY site be any different.


Post stupid shit, expect it to get deleted! 

Is the SC reddit under the control of RSI? If it isn't then I see no reason why the mods should be deleting threads that they don't agree with.

If someone posts something negative or lies about you, you either ignore it or you debunk it with facts/take them to court. If you delete the post then you can give credence to what was contained in the thread, be it something about SC itself (it's a scam, misuse of backer funds etc.) or about certain people there (Sandi is a racist, Chris is incompetent, etc.).

If its already been discussed in a previous thread then you close or merge the threads together. If it is just pure trolling or flame baiting then you close the thread and take action against the account.

MMORPG will only delete posts/part of posts or edit them if they are just outright harassing like if someone were to call someone else a complete and utter fuckwit that should die in a fire or if a thread gets way off topic.

Distopia

Deathenger said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

If you had control of a forum and someone called you all the names under the sun, accused you of fraud, accused you of racism, accused you of misuse of funds, accused you of blah blah blah would you shrug and 'let them post the lies it will not have any effect' or would you deal with them?

Hell this site deletes posts and bans posters for stuff they write (lots of SC haters too) because they are obviously troll posts, of flaming or contravening something in the TOS.

Why should ANY site be any different.


Post stupid shit, expect it to get deleted! 

For real? You mean all the things mentioned in the Escape Artists article? The things that Roberts threatened to sue over.... but never did when EA called their bluff and kept the article up?

EH?  Yes those things many argued here were something no one would let stand, they'd be in court two days later fighting the good fight against it. Yet an easy action like deleting it from a forum, "that's uncalled for"...

Brenics

goobsnews said:

Brenics said:

goobsnews said:

Brenics said:

This is a great post and it does show how much trouble Roberts is in. Plus the way a lot of pro SC people act in this thread does show how bad they want any thread that puts SC in a bad light closed. Which gives this post a lot of credibility. 

I really wish 3 years ago Roberts would of just made the game with the original idea. He just couldn't resist adding stuff the game just did not need at the time. So instead of a good game being made he just created a train that ran off the tracks. 

That is exactly the problem with Roberts. 

The response to the post on the SC Reddit (Well known for being verrrrry pro SC) was to delete it immediately. I think that's more telling than anything. Why not just let it exist and have the believers laugh at how bad and wrong it is like all other anti-SC posts on there? I'm glad more people are waking up to this.

Exactly, if they would just allow these posts to stay and in a few weeks if nothing happens they can point to threads like this and say see nothing bad. 

Plus if all this does come true why be mad at gamers like us that is just trying to inform people there are problems and Roberts needs to accept it and do something to actually save his game. But then after 100m+ dollars his trouble could be he wasted all that cash and now is in financial trouble. Even then he could come clean tell the backers what he did wrong and try and fix it so the game still gets made. 

Problem is he is the overall problem and refuses to see it. Always someone else's fault, like Smart or people like me that post logical threads and asks the right questions. Never Roberts fault. 

It really is sad because over all the guy does have some great ideas. 

I think part of why I want to see this fail is because the community is so toxic and evil that it would fill me with satisfaction seeing this thing crumble. We're talking about a community where a guy bragged about duping his 82 year old elderly neighbor with dementia into getting internet even though she doesnt have a computer so that he could steal her bandwidth. 

LOL I remember that one. Thing is if Roberts does not come thru with at least some type of finished playable game, people like that can turn very ugly. 

Deathenger

GeezerGamer said:

So, Star Citizen has 31 pages of threads so far. And on page 1, I added up all the thread replies and at the time of this posting that number was 2875 total replies on page 1 (31 pages)

I wonder what single topic dominates all 2-3K posts per page for 31 pages?

Do we really need to start new threads every day do that we can continue to argue back and forth over how SC is or isn't a scam?

I mean, at this point we all have our opinions pretty well formed. There really isn't anything new that's going to change them,,,,unless it comes from CIG directly.


Hell, even some insider authority dropping some bomb doesn't change anything.

New information and sources should be discussed. I guess you would be just fine if these forums were nothing but fanbois gushing over how awesome Star Citizen is?

This guy (EightAce) seems to have some credibility as someone who worked on the project, and still has connections to folks working on the game.

Personally I'm extremely interested in all the inside information coming from behind their doors.

goobsnews

Deathenger said:

GeezerGamer said:

So, Star Citizen has 31 pages of threads so far. And on page 1, I added up all the thread replies and at the time of this posting that number was 2875 total replies on page 1 (31 pages)

I wonder what single topic dominates all 2-3K posts per page for 31 pages?

Do we really need to start new threads every day do that we can continue to argue back and forth over how SC is or isn't a scam?

I mean, at this point we all have our opinions pretty well formed. There really isn't anything new that's going to change them,,,,unless it comes from CIG directly.


Hell, even some insider authority dropping some bomb doesn't change anything.

New information and sources should be discussed. I guess you would be just fine if these forums were nothing but fanbois gushing over how awesome Star Citizen is?

This guy (EightAce) seems to have some credibility as someone who worked on the project, and still has connections to folks working on the game.

Personally I'm extremely interested in all the inside information coming from behind their doors.

He's been vetted. Everything he has said will happen so far has happened. Anyone who still disputes his validity is just a shill. With the recent disclosure that people are being paid to comb the forums for any anti-sc talk, it isnt really surprising that it confirms what I've thought the whole time, the loudest PRO-sc voices on any critical article or post about SC are most likely paid.

GeezerGamer

Deathenger said:

GeezerGamer said:

So, Star Citizen has 31 pages of threads so far. And on page 1, I added up all the thread replies and at the time of this posting that number was 2875 total replies on page 1 (31 pages)

I wonder what single topic dominates all 2-3K posts per page for 31 pages?

Do we really need to start new threads every day do that we can continue to argue back and forth over how SC is or isn't a scam?

I mean, at this point we all have our opinions pretty well formed. There really isn't anything new that's going to change them,,,,unless it comes from CIG directly.


Hell, even some insider authority dropping some bomb doesn't change anything.

New information and sources should be discussed. I guess you would be just fine if these forums were nothing but fanbois gushing over how awesome Star Citizen is?

This guy (EightAce) seems to have some credibility as someone who worked on the project, and still has connections to folks working on the game.

Personally I'm extremely interested in all the inside information coming from behind their doors.

Just so you know. I seriously doubt this game will make it to release......and/or what does release won't be anything like what was promised. But I won't say it will never happen.....only that I doubt it.

However, there are no other discussions on this forum. It doesn't matter what the title is, EVERY discussion is the continuation of the previous. 

Deathenger

GeezerGamer said:

Deathenger said:

GeezerGamer said:

So, Star Citizen has 31 pages of threads so far. And on page 1, I added up all the thread replies and at the time of this posting that number was 2875 total replies on page 1 (31 pages)

I wonder what single topic dominates all 2-3K posts per page for 31 pages?

Do we really need to start new threads every day do that we can continue to argue back and forth over how SC is or isn't a scam?

I mean, at this point we all have our opinions pretty well formed. There really isn't anything new that's going to change them,,,,unless it comes from CIG directly.


Hell, even some insider authority dropping some bomb doesn't change anything.

New information and sources should be discussed. I guess you would be just fine if these forums were nothing but fanbois gushing over how awesome Star Citizen is?

This guy (EightAce) seems to have some credibility as someone who worked on the project, and still has connections to folks working on the game.

Personally I'm extremely interested in all the inside information coming from behind their doors.

Just so you know. I seriously doubt this game will make it to release......and/or what does release won't be anything like what was promised. But I won't say it will never happen.....only that I doubt it.

However, there are no other discussions on this forum. It doesn't matter what the title is, EVERY discussion is the continuation of the previous. 

Most of the discussions are the same is because it IS the hot topic with this project. You get the same people coming to the rescue so to speak and just wind up derailing the threads into bitter arguments with passive aggressive, borderline but not quite trolling reply.

Project began in 2011 and has over 110mil earned and there is hardly a game to speak of. Thats why you have people asking the hard questions and breaking down all the little leaked info here and there. This is to try and piece together the truth!

Pratt2112

Deathenger said:

When these high profile dudes start bailing out of the project the fanbois will just say it's normal, or he wasn't that good anyway.

Already happened, courtesy of (who else?) Erillion

Drakmar

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Really ?  You do know there are two types of people, those being informed and those being uninformed. You sir are of the uninformed group.

 Chris Roberts has had many successful games. 

Wing Commander PC  Rating 8.3

Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga PC  Rating 7.3

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom Rating 8.9

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger Rating 8.7

Freelancer  Rating 8.9

Those are just a few and they are good if not great scores.

Now if you want to see terrible unplayable games, lets look at one of Star Citizen's vocal critics, Derek Smart, these are his games Meta Score

Battlecruiser 3000AD Rating 1.0

Universal Combat PC Rating 3.0

Galactic Command: Echo Squad PC Rating 1.2

All Aspect Warfare PC Rating 2.5

Those are terrible scores,  Derek Smart compared to Chris Roberts is a nobody, plain and simple! He can't make even a good game so he ridicules a reputable developer. makes total sense, that's all he seems to be good at doing! Oh and when he does he ALWAYS lacks PROOF!

I suggest next time you state something you back it up with facts as I just did !

goobsnews

Drakmar said:

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Really ?  You do know there are two types of people, those being informed and those being uninformed. You sir are of the uninformed group.

 Chris Roberts has had many successful games. 

Wing Commander PC  Rating 8.3

Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga PC Metacritic Rating 7.3

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom Rating 8.9

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger Rating 8.7

Freelancer  Rating 8.9

Those are just a few and they are good if not great scores.

Now if you want to see terrible unplayable games, lets look at one of Star Citizen's vocal critics, Derek Smart, these are his games Meta Score

Battlecruiser 3000AD Rating 1.0

Universal Combat PC Rating 3.0

Galactic Command: Echo Squad PC Rating 1.2

All Aspect Warfare PC Rating 2.5

Those are terrible scores,  Derek Smart compared to Chris Roberts is a nobody, plain and simple!

I suggest next time you state something you back it up with facts as I just did !

Hasn't made a game in 13 years, yeah C Roberts credentials are AMAZING. Here's your typical SC shill right here folks.

I wonder if all the White Knights will blame the boogeyman Derek Smart for SC's collapse when it finally comes.

Brenics

Drakmar said:

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Really ?  You do know there are two types of people, those being informed and those being uninformed. You sir are of the uninformed group.

 Chris Roberts has had many successful games. 

Wing Commander PC  Rating 8.3

Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga PC Metacritic Rating 7.3

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom Rating 8.9

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger Rating 8.7

Freelancer  Rating 8.9

Those are just a few and they are good if not great scores.

Now if you want to see terrible unplayable games, lets look at one of Star Citizen's vocal critics, Derek Smart, these are his games Meta Score

Battlecruiser 3000AD Rating 1.0

Universal Combat PC Rating 3.0

Galactic Command: Echo Squad PC Rating 1.2

All Aspect Warfare PC Rating 2.5

Those are terrible scores,  Derek Smart compared to Chris Roberts is a nobody, plain and simple!

I suggest next time you state something you back it up with facts as I just did !

Yes he was part of the team that released those games. Yes he is named producer on those games. But you really should read up what happened during the making of those. I give Roberts a lot of credit for his ideas. I also give him fault for not knowing when to say stop and make the game.

Also no matter how much you attempt to bring Smart into this, won't make any difference of how Roberts does things. Old argument that just doesn't hold water anymore.

But because you did bring him up, Smart does one thing Roberts doesn't, make the games and releases the games. So again each of those games with Roberts names on them wasn't because of him they ended up getting released. But they DO have what his original vision of the games would be. I give him great credit for his visions.

Oh the scores with Smart's games really isn't a fair rating. People have hated him the first day he said the truth about SC. So really it can't be shown as being fair.     

goobsnews

Brenics said:

Yes he was part of the team that released those games. Yes he is named producer on those games. But you really should read up what happened during the making of those. I give Roberts a lot of credit for his ideas. I also give him fault for not knowing when to say stop and make the game.

Also no matter how much you attempt to bring Smart into this, won't make any difference of how Roberts does things. Old argument that just doesn't hold water anymore.

But because you did bring him up, Smart does one thing Roberts doesn't, make the games and releases the games. So again each of those games with Roberts names on them wasn't because of him they ended up getting released. But they DO have what his original vision of the games would be. I give him great credit for his visions.    

Smart also pays for all of his development himself and doesn't use crowdfunding. It's funny when they blame everything on Smart.

Shodanas

GrumpyHobbit said:

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Please explain why you think he has mental issues.

If you are making a joke then it is deeply disrespectful to those that do legitimately have issues. 

If you are being serious please explain why you feel free to verbally abuse someone not here to defend themselves. 

I think you're asking to much from this particular poster.

From a person in his 60's, as he claims, one would expect something more mature and more decent than siting in front of a keyboard and throw shit at people.

goobsnews

I don't believe that C Roberts has mental issues or what he's been doing has been on purpose. I just think he has horrible management skills and should of delegated his job to someone with more experience.

SEANMCAD

goobsnews said:

I don't believe that C Roberts has mental issues or what he's been doing has been on purpose. I just think he has horrible management skills and should of delegated his job to someone with more experience.

I agree with this statement 100%

and I have been called a White Night

TheYear1500

Torgamatic said:

Great more people who want it yesterday. Give it time, rome was not built in a day , and SC will not be either,

Well it was due to release over 15 months ago, so "want it yesterday" would still put it at 15 months delayed.  

goobsnews

SEANMCAD said:

goobsnews said:

I don't believe that C Roberts has mental issues or what he's been doing has been on purpose. I just think he has horrible management skills and should of delegated his job to someone with more experience.

I agree with this statement 100%

and I have been called a White Night

Like, even his brother I think would of done a better job IMO. From what I hear about him he's a good guy.

Drakmar

Brenics said:

Drakmar said:

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Really ?  You do know there are two types of people, those being informed and those being uninformed. You sir are of the uninformed group.

 Chris Roberts has had many successful games. 

Wing Commander PC  Rating 8.3

Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga PC Metacritic Rating 7.3

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom Rating 8.9

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger Rating 8.7

Freelancer  Rating 8.9

Those are just a few and they are good if not great scores.

Now if you want to see terrible unplayable games, lets look at one of Star Citizen's vocal critics, Derek Smart, these are his games Meta Score

Battlecruiser 3000AD Rating 1.0

Universal Combat PC Rating 3.0

Galactic Command: Echo Squad PC Rating 1.2

All Aspect Warfare PC Rating 2.5

Those are terrible scores,  Derek Smart compared to Chris Roberts is a nobody, plain and simple!

I suggest next time you state something you back it up with facts as I just did !

Yes he was part of the team that released those games. Yes he is named producer on those games. But you really should read up what happened during the making of those. I give Roberts a lot of credit for his ideas. I also give him fault for not knowing when to say stop and make the game.

Also no matter how much you attempt to bring Smart into this, won't make any difference of how Roberts does things. Old argument that just doesn't hold water anymore.

But because you did bring him up, Smart does one thing Roberts doesn't, make the games and releases the games. So again each of those games with Roberts names on them wasn't because of him they ended up getting released. But they DO have what his original vision of the games would be. I give him great credit for his visions.

Oh the scores with Smart's games really isn't a fair rating. People have hated him the first day he said the truth about SC. So really it can't be shown as being fair.     

I know all about Chris Roberts and I know some of his shortcomings, even knowing that I believe he will release a game that I will enjoy based on what I have played to date. I understand how much development time is required for the development of a AAA game, and I also know this is not a normal AAA game because of it's scope. When it's done it's done.

What Smart has released are unplayable games with no player base and Universal Combat has been in development since 2001 and it's "released" as "early access" on STEAM which still makes it incomplete.

 Derek Smart earned those scores, play one of them and you will see they are nothing but pure trash !

There is a old saying, people that spend time looking for faults in others should spend more time correcting their own.!

Derek Smart is nothing more than a inept game designer who lacks any credibility because of his own actions and complete lack of maturity and criticizes others instead of himself. He is not even a has-been, because he was never anything to begin with in the gaming industry.  The sad thing is, he hasn't figured that out yet!

ceratop001

Everyone here needs a group hug...

Distopia

Brenics said:

Oh the scores with Smart's games really isn't a fair rating. People have hated him the first day he said the truth about SC. So really it can't be shown as being fair.     

Well since you guys continue to talk about him I guess it's okay to chime in...You think people's opinion of Smart has anything to do with SC? that's just..LOL...

Smart is essentially the only reason things weren't taken more seriously when the lid blew off months ago. That's because opinions on Smart were formed long before this debacle even had a name or a cent from anyone. 

The same goes for how this whole forum debacle has played out, the way in which information is presented, the manner in which the posters who bring this information forward, has had a negative effect on the entire process of information flow. 

If the information is true there is no reason to present it in a hostile nature, let the information speak for itself, it's quite simple. The harder you push the more suspect it looks.

JohnP0100

Erillion said:

Hey, The Smarty has linked to this thread from Twitter ;-)

And he cannot delete all his critics here like he does on his own Twitter account. Too bad :-D

Furthermore as he has many of us here on "ignore" for providing arguments he cannot refute, he does not even see this ;-)   Because that is his strategy ... arguments he does not see do not exist, so he is happy !


See let us enjoy once again the Derek Smart Failparade: (so his fans can read it too ,-) 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/3rs5vq/compiling_a_list_of_predictions_and_allegations/

When reality hits propaganda at full speed.



Have fun

WTF is this garbage?
GTFO my thread with your personal attacks.

Can someone report Erillion's post please?   It is not working on the mobile site.

Mods,  alot of people follow dsmart and they will click his link. The fact post/posters like Erillion has not been dealt with, is not a good thing.

TheYear1500

Drakmar said:

Brenics said:

Drakmar said:

Brenics said:

Only non-normal person in all this is Roberts. The guy clearly has mental issues and couldn't produce a playable game if his life depended on it. 

Wait.......IT DOES!

Really ?  You do know there are two types of people, those being informed and those being uninformed. You sir are of the uninformed group.

 Chris Roberts has had many successful games. 

Wing Commander PC  Rating 8.3

Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga PC Metacritic Rating 7.3

Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom Rating 8.9

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger Rating 8.7

Freelancer  Rating 8.9

Those are just a few and they are good if not great scores.

Now if you want to see terrible unplayable games, lets look at one of Star Citizen's vocal critics, Derek Smart, these are his games Meta Score

Battlecruiser 3000AD Rating 1.0

Universal Combat PC Rating 3.0

Galactic Command: Echo Squad PC Rating 1.2

All Aspect Warfare PC Rating 2.5

Those are terrible scores,  Derek Smart compared to Chris Roberts is a nobody, plain and simple!

I suggest next time you state something you back it up with facts as I just did !

Yes he was part of the team that released those games. Yes he is named producer on those games. But you really should read up what happened during the making of those. I give Roberts a lot of credit for his ideas. I also give him fault for not knowing when to say stop and make the game.

Also no matter how much you attempt to bring Smart into this, won't make any difference of how Roberts does things. Old argument that just doesn't hold water anymore.

But because you did bring him up, Smart does one thing Roberts doesn't, make the games and releases the games. So again each of those games with Roberts names on them wasn't because of him they ended up getting released. But they DO have what his original vision of the games would be. I give him great credit for his visions.

Oh the scores with Smart's games really isn't a fair rating. People have hated him the first day he said the truth about SC. So really it can't be shown as being fair.     

I know all about Chris Roberts and I know some of his shortcomings, even knowing that I believe he will release a game that I will enjoy based on what I have played to date. I understand how much development time is required for the development of a AAA game, and I also know this is not a normal AAA game because of it's scope. When it's done it's done.

What Smart has released are unplayable games with no player base and Universal Combat has been in development since 2001 and it's "released" as "early access" on STEAM which still makes it incomplete.

 Derek Smart earned those scores, play one of them and you will see they are nothing but pure trash !

There is a old saying, people that spend time looking for faults in others should spend more time correcting their own.!

Derek Smart is nothing more than a inept game designer who lacks any credibility because of his own actions and complete lack of maturity and criticizes others instead of himself. He is not even a has-been, because he was never anything to begin with in the gaming industry.  The sad thing is, he hasn't figured that out yet!

Why did you bring up Smart?  No one was talking about him, no one cares about his games.  Why are you so insistent on comparing SC to such bad  games?  Do you expect SC to be just as bad?  Why are you so obsessed with Smart?

rodarin

Not to derail the thread but I am going to be forced to start reporting posters who use the term "would of",  its WOULD HAVE you illiterate nitwits. Its hard to take people seriously who cant tell the difference between a contraction (would've) and the sound of two words. Some lee way for people where English isnt their native language and go by sounds, buts its obvious from most of the people who use that term (3 or 4 in this thread alone) English is their first language. Same goes for could of, should of and might of.

Not to go all diction Nazi, its just makes you look dumb. Which then makes your whole point get lost. I dont use the ' in my contractions but that is mostly for time saving not that I dont know they belong. But you wont ever see me use any of those terms but I might and have typed wouldve and shouldve a few hundred times, just lacking the ' mark.

But carry on.

Drakmar

Distopia said:

Brenics said:

Oh the scores with Smart's games really isn't a fair rating. People have hated him the first day he said the truth about SC. So really it can't be shown as being fair.     

Well since you guys continue to talk about him I guess it's okay to chime in...You think people's opinion of Smart has anything to do with SC? that's just..LOL...

Smart is essentially the only reason things weren't taken more seriously when the lid blew off months ago. That's because opinions on Smart were formed long before this debacle even had a name or a cent from anyone. 

The same goes for how this whole forum debacle has played out, the way in which information is presented, the manner in which the posters who bring this information forward, has had a negative effect on the entire process of information flow. 

If the information is true there is no reason to present it in a hostile nature, let the information speak for itself, it's quite simple. The harder you push the more suspect it looks.

"When the lid blew off "

All of the things that have been negatively stated about SC they all have lacked indisputable proof! 

Where is it, if it's true ?   The problem is they can't prove it.

And as far as I know in society, people are innocent until proven guilty, including CR and Star Citizen.

Smart with all his threats lacks proof, everything is pure conjecture or made up to make his so-called case.

Smart being a failure in the industry wants everyone else to fail also, it gives his life meaning.....

CrazKanuk

JohnP0100 said:

Erillion said:

Hey, The Smarty has linked to this thread from Twitter ;-)

And he cannot delete all his critics here like he does on his own Twitter account. Too bad :-D

Furthermore as he has many of us here on "ignore" for providing arguments he cannot refute, he does not even see this ;-)   Because that is his strategy ... arguments he does not see do not exist, so he is happy !


See let us enjoy once again the Derek Smart Failparade: (so his fans can read it too ,-) 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/3rs5vq/compiling_a_list_of_predictions_and_allegations/

When reality hits propaganda at full speed.



Have fun

WTF is this garbage?
GTFO my thread with your personal attacks.

Can someone report Erillion's post please?   It is not working on the mobile site.

Mods,  alot of people follow dsmart and they will click his link. The fact post/posters like Erillion has not been dealt with, is not a good thing.

LOLWUT!!! Yeah, Erillion derailed this post...... Please refer to previous 4 pages for irrelevance. He's been more relevant than the majority of stuff that's been said. However, I can understand why you'd want to shut him up. "Silencing the Internet........ because the only thought that's relevant is mine."

Post flagged as trolling.....