Angry Joe on The Division

Alumicard

Question here is what do you think about the critic? The point about being the best as it could be is I guess that we all went into it as noobs and from now on we all will know the story, gameplay, progression and any update will just add more grind.

I haven't seen this posted and am rather curious about how other people see the future of this game.
Do you think Ubisoft will be able to add something unique, unseen before or will it just be +10 levels with loot that has a bit more dmg added?

Personal view on pay $10-15  to play content is more hp mobs and higher dmg weapons which is rather boring but my hope is that there will be serious changes overall and especially in the pvp system. One guild controls sector x, another sector y and they fight to take over each others sector because it gives 5% better loot overall or something. You know... pvp with purpose. At that has to happen by the end of the year the latest for the game to stay relevant imo.

SpottyGekko

I guess it all depends on what the player metrics reveal.

If the current format of the Division remains popular, it is unlikely to change in any significant way. Both big changes and amazing new content would cost significant amounts of money.

In the gaming industry, the ROI on development cost is usually far higher when that cost is associated with a NEW GAME, rather than expanding or enhancing an existing game.

advokat666

I don´t like Angry Joe but he is absolutely right on this one

YashaX

Great review, he made some good points.

Warlyx

once ppl stop buying DLC they will Add dlcs with OP weapons or OP skills ....only to nerf all this before the next dlc is released ....

Wizardry

These problems are the same ones plaguing mmorpg's.

Devs are looking to cut corners everywhere.I said about this game that they released NOT enough,i think their CEO and big shots decided they would sell you the rest of the game a second maybe third time.So by time you get a couple dlc's and a decently sized game you would have paid well over 100 bucks.

Itemization ....just numbers/stats yep that is what most games do because it takes too much effort to make visible items.Even the looting is done cheap with just a screen and no actual interaction.Now i have said before i can accept a smallish game,a couple maps but you need to make sure that small game is fully complete with interaction.
Basically what Joe is saying is the game world does not feel real and alive it feels like as i like to call it...A bunch of modules and graphics.Even worse in mmorpg's because we get the same ideas behind design but only WORSE graphics,less props etc etc.

Axxar

He pretty much nails it in his review.

heerobya

What I got from that review?

Bad PC port of a console game. Not unexpected. When the community has to put together a change.org petition to get a PC version made, what do you really expect?

Game is great on console.

Only thing I 100% agree with is that the game as it currently sits is a great foundation for everything we thought/they told us the game would/could be.

It's an MMO, MMO-light whatever you want to call it, but like all new online multiple RPG mmo-ish games, it takes about a year for the game to shake out and for them to really deliver on the concept.

Thankfully they've got a few months worth of free updates followed by at least 2 paid DLC to roll out in the next 10 or so months.

Games like this shouldn't even be reviewed for 3-6 months to be completely fair.

As it stands right now, I'd probably give it an 8/10 simply because the end-game is very light on content, but Dark Zone at 30 is a lot of fun, it's very suspenseful and can create some awesome game and player moments.

Incursions is going to be the big test. How can they make something more challenging than challenge mode without just making the already RIDICULOUS level of bullet-sponginess and NPC damage way, way too far over the top?

That's my biggest complaint, the difficulty is very uneven. Hard is pretty much a joke, and once you hit 30 and get a little bit of gear, if you are not on hard/challenge or in the DZ areas with level 31/32 mobs, you don't even really need to use cover you can just run and gun everything down.

They need to lower the bullet sponginess and enemy damage in hard/challenge, and ramp up the AI and enemies use of agent-like abilities to force more difficulty without simply making it tedious.

Just my 2 cents.

Sirmatthias

ugh this review is so correct about the game is only stats and beanies. I feel like my mind control has wore off on how little content there is and how much is repeated over and over.

Octagon7711

Yep, the way games are being released now, you don't really get to experience the game the way it's supposed to be until about a year later.  

JDis25

Game seems shallow to me. Outside of the Darkzone the game is average and the Darkzone could have been done so much better. Going rogue should be on the full game map. Darkzone should always have PvP enabled.

Generic shooter with some RPG elements. Glad I passed on this one.

H0urg1ass

I love Angry Joe, but then again, we're both Austin weirdos.  I love the campy intros, the way he passionately destroys bad games and his corporate man character.  That aside, I almost always agree with his reviews.  Of all the game reviewers on Youtube, his are the ones that line up with mine most often.

I was pretty excited about The Division and I was even considering buying it full price, but after his review I'm gonna wait a good long while for some of the stupidity to get resolved.  

Lobotomist

Axxar said:

He pretty much nails it in his review.

He usually does. He sounds like clown, but he is actually always real honest and spot on about the games

Mackaveli44

heerobya said:

What I got from that review?

Bad PC port of a console game. Not unexpected. When the community has to put together a change.org petition to get a PC version made, what do you really expect?

Game is great on console.

Only thing I 100% agree with is that the game as it currently sits is a great foundation for everything we thought/they told us the game would/could be.

It's an MMO, MMO-light whatever you want to call it, but like all new online multiple RPG mmo-ish games, it takes about a year for the game to shake out and for them to really deliver on the concept.

Thankfully they've got a few months worth of free updates followed by at least 2 paid DLC to roll out in the next 10 or so months.

Games like this shouldn't even be reviewed for 3-6 months to be completely fair.

As it stands right now, I'd probably give it an 8/10 simply because the end-game is very light on content, but Dark Zone at 30 is a lot of fun, it's very suspenseful and can create some awesome game and player moments.

Incursions is going to be the big test. How can they make something more challenging than challenge mode without just making the already RIDICULOUS level of bullet-sponginess and NPC damage way, way too far over the top?

That's my biggest complaint, the difficulty is very uneven. Hard is pretty much a joke, and once you hit 30 and get a little bit of gear, if you are not on hard/challenge or in the DZ areas with level 31/32 mobs, you don't even really need to use cover you can just run and gun everything down.

They need to lower the bullet sponginess and enemy damage in hard/challenge, and ramp up the AI and enemies use of agent-like abilities to force more difficulty without simply making it tedious.

Just my 2 cents.

I still don't understand how people are calling The Division an "MMO" when it's not even close to being an MMO. 

It's a shooter with RPG elements that plays online.  No where is it "massively"  Why do people put the MMO tag on this game?  It makes absolutely no sense at all.

As for Incursions... I wouldn't put much stock in them.  As you said yourself, what else can they do past challenge mode?  Not much variation really.  Just more instances where you shoot bag guys, collect currency/loot and repeat.  Don't get me wrong, I have fun with The Division but there's only so much they can do post launch and only so much we can do right now in-game.  Dark Zone can be fun but it gets boring really quick.  You run through the same Landmarks for named bosses with the occasional PvP scuffle.

ElRenmazuo

Most reviewers always hate awesome stuff like Batman vs Superman

Johnxboy

I dislike joe but holy fuck he was fair giving The division 5/10 average. That was neat, it totally deserved it too..

Kyleran

Good review, a bit long but seems like a fair assessment by a person who isn't blinded by the next new shiny.

Amazing how many gamers seem to enjoy "average" games.

Netspook

Lobotomist said:

Axxar said:

He pretty much nails it in his review.

He usually does. He sounds like clown, but he is actually always real honest and spot on about the games

I agree that his review are usually good, but there's too much childish bs in them, making them unnecessary long, which is why I rarely watch them anymore. This one I *did* watch, and it sounds pretty much as what I expected.

Grabbing the game on some sale later when it's at €5-10, not before.

ElRenmazuo

Kyleran said:

Good review, a bit long but seems like a fair assessment by a person who isn't blinded by the next new shiny.

Amazing how many gamers seem to enjoy "average" games.

Probably because The Division is above average to other people,  for example I think games other people think are above average is just average or below such as EvE imo.  I played both games too.

ElRenmazuo

Does angry joe realize that you dont have to wear a jacket or beanie?

SpottyGekko

Kyleran said:

Good review, a bit long but seems like a fair assessment by a person who isn't blinded by the next new shiny.

Amazing how many gamers seem to enjoy "average" games.

That's because most games are average, lol

If you ignore Joe's campy histrionics, you'll notice that he actually likes the core of TD. The game has potential, and he recognizes that. He just doubts whether that potential will ever be realised. So do I.

Joseph_Kerr

Good review, and the RNG crafting is absolutely terrible. Whoever thought up that system is a masochist. 

Soarlozer

heerobya said:

What I got from that review?

Bad PC port of a console game. Not unexpected. When the community has to put together a change.org petition to get a PC version made, what do you really expect?

Game is great on console.

Only thing I 100% agree with is that the game as it currently sits is a great foundation for everything we thought/they told us the game would/could be.

It's an MMO, MMO-light whatever you want to call it, but like all new online multiple RPG mmo-ish games, it takes about a year for the game to shake out and for them to really deliver on the concept.

Thankfully they've got a few months worth of free updates followed by at least 2 paid DLC to roll out in the next 10 or so months.

Games like this shouldn't even be reviewed for 3-6 months to be completely fair.

As it stands right now, I'd probably give it an 8/10 simply because the end-game is very light on content, but Dark Zone at 30 is a lot of fun, it's very suspenseful and can create some awesome game and player moments.

Incursions is going to be the big test. How can they make something more challenging than challenge mode without just making the already RIDICULOUS level of bullet-sponginess and NPC damage way, way too far over the top?

That's my biggest complaint, the difficulty is very uneven. Hard is pretty much a joke, and once you hit 30 and get a little bit of gear, if you are not on hard/challenge or in the DZ areas with level 31/32 mobs, you don't even really need to use cover you can just run and gun everything down.

They need to lower the bullet sponginess and enemy damage in hard/challenge, and ramp up the AI and enemies use of agent-like abilities to force more difficulty without simply making it tedious.

Just my 2 cents.

Except the game is buggy as hell on consoles. Constantly floating through terrain, sound glitching out, players losing characters because a HE crafted bag disappears.

There isn't a ai in the world that can stand up to the tactics players would use if challenging mobs didn't have high dmg and hp. Hell once you get a certain dps they melt just as easy currently.

A 5-8 is a good range for this game. Ultimatley boiling down to if you like loot grinds in the form of a third person shooter. I give it a 7 because I can see how they cut a lot of corners but I can easily see why someone would be turned off about having to "grind".

Games should be reviewed when they are released, reviews are for consumers. A smart consumer will look at launch and a current review though to avoid being burned.

Sirmatthias

The thing that bothers me the most is game companies are moving away from giving you armor pieces with 100's of different models to 3 or less and now just stats that move upward so you feel your progressing.

maskedweasel

Not a fan of angry joe and he's entitled to his opinion.  I remember some of his other reviews like of SWTOR, he's just not that great when it comes to reviews.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  IGN gave it a 6.7.  IGN Denmark gave it a 9.0.  I'd personally give it an 8.   Everyone can review it based on how they feel, and many many more out there will disagree. Gamespot has been fairly positive.  

For a very long time nobody knew what The Division really was.. everyone kind of put their own label on it.  A lot of people on this site haven't played it, and likely won't play it,  but still revel when it gets a mediocre review.  Still, the game has been doing well, on the consoles it still has queue times throughout the day, sometimes going into the thousands on the weekend.  Eventually everyone will get to cap and if there isn't anything to do, they'll just pop back in on the next update.

Skirmish modes would probably keep people playing but... it wouldn't really work well when gear is vital to your builds.  They would have to go the GW2 build route, and that diminishes the gameplay.  Team based arenas could still be fun,  but balancing would be an issue.

Going forward we can wait and see what new content comes out.  The first content update is in a couple weeks.

Aethaeryn

I don't always agree with him but his reviews give me a lot of information that helps me make decisions.  For the most part we seem to like and dislike enough things that I check out his reviews.