When harassment campaign backfire. (no pun intended)

MrNo

This week two female gamers were harassed to the point of stupidity and here is the ironic part one of these female is not even real. First in case as some of you all ready know about the Tracer controversy from Overwatch if you do not well basically Blizzard removed her victory pose. "The pose, which had Tracer facing away from the camera, with a view of her rear-end in tight spandex, was derided by a fan on the forums as “out of character,” based on the established lore set up for the hero." I mean get real people its just a pose from a toon.

Wow and if this is not enough over at Nintendo a female employee was a victim of harassment "Rapp has been the target of an ongoing harassment campaign. Many would say, including Rapp, that this was perpetrated by the intangible collective known as “Gamergate.” Others would just say it was anonymous angry gamers using traditional harassment tactics who didn’t wave a particular flag (“no true Gamergater,” and all that). The controversy has been insane from the start, as this group somehow decided to blame Rapp for some localization changes made to Nintendo games for their journey west, like the elimination of a “boob-size slider” in one title, Xenoblade Chronicles X. She was also targeted for helping “censor” some aspects of Fire Emblem Fates, along with fellow Nintendo employees Nich Maragos and Rich Amtower. Nintendo denies this of course and said that “Alison Rapp was terminated due to violation of an internal company policy involving holding a second job in conflict with Nintendo’s corporate culture.” 

My personal opinion is that people need to put the game down and get back to reality.

Mr.No knows.  

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/03/31/dont-fight-for-the-rights-of-overwatchs-tracer-but-fail-to-defend-real-life-women/#27c84a171b42

rubydragon5

Well the blizzard game thing I can understand, young people play those games and that pose can be inappropriate for some people depending on age.

As for the nintendo one, I skimmed through some of it, and they claim it had nothing to do with the harassment, its that she violated company policy,    bare with me it may be a total excuse by them but a outside party needs to investigate on that before drawing conclusions I feel.

MrNo

rubydragon5 said:

Well the blizzard game thing I can understand, young people play those games and that pose can be inappropriate for some people depending on age.

As for the nintendo one, I skimmed through some of it, and they claim it had nothing to do with the harassment, its that she violated company policy,    bare with me it may be a total excuse by them but a outside party needs to investigate on that before drawing conclusions I feel.

I can see your point on Overwatch not having any kids of my own I tend to forget this. I might add that perhaps should be up to the parent to guard the child against a lewd thought from a game.

FlyByKnight

I think some of the edits are unnecessary but not enough reason for any reasonably normal person who is passed puberty to be extra confrontational (from the safety of their PC none the less).

Flyte27

If the game is made for adults and marked with a certain rating level I don't see the issue.

Many games I played in my youth had objectification of women and even men in many regards.  I don't know if it was good or bad, but it was just a game after all.  Just like you separate violence between games and reality you also do so with sex.  For some reason sex is a much greater issue though. 

I wouldn't want to see people looked at as sex objects in real life or harassed.

Objectification is a large part of the start of relationships in stories.  Often a relationship starts out that way and then ends up becoming more once the people get to know each other. 

Of course I'm passed to the point where I would be effected much by virtual characters with breast sliders.  My hormones have died down a lot since as I've gotten older.

Distopia

Whenever I see the state of these issues today I can't help but think of the phrase "give someone an inch and they'll take a mile". That's where we're at on these topics IMO. We've essentially opened the Pandora's Box of personal agenda. 

The funny part is all those sci-fi movies perpetuated the idea that the government would create these inside a box worlds fixated on fascism and thought control. F' that we'll do it on our own.. 

Leon1e

rubydragon5 said:

Well the blizzard game thing I can understand, young people play those games and that pose can be inappropriate for some people depending on age.

As for the nintendo one, I skimmed through some of it, and they claim it had nothing to do with the harassment, its that she violated company policy,    bare with me it may be a total excuse by them but a outside party needs to investigate on that before drawing conclusions I feel.

What people on what age? 12 year olds upload "worse" poses on their facebook accounts these days...

I'm tired of hearing the "but our children!!!" argument. It's as old as time. And it holds no weight. The fix for this is simply called parental control. People should really look up to the ESRB notices. I know that nobody cares about it but if it says T for teen maybe your 8 year old should skip on this game yes? 

Idk what happened to the fucking world and why everybody started getting overly offensive by pixels. Even then, if a developer decides that they want that pose and ESRB organization decides that the pose makes the game mature or adult then slap that sticker and pray for parental control and shut your damn mouth yes?

Every freaking game goes through ESRB approval.

CrazKanuk

Distopia said:

Whenever I see the state of these issues today I can't help but think of the phrase "give someone an inch and hey'll take a mile". That's where we're at on these topics IMO. We've essentially opened the Pandora's Box of personal agenda. 

The funny part is all those sci-fi movies perpetuated the idea that the government would create these inside a box worlds fixated on fascism and thought control. F' that we'll do it on our own.. 

I agree somewhat. I do get it but, heaven forbid a strong female be portrayed as embracing her sexuality. If I had a 12" dong I'd probably make cycling shorts a mainstay in my wardrobe. However, I do think that whatever they do with female characters it should, at very least, be practical. 

That being said, I think I have more respect for strong game characters with their boobs hanging out (a la Lara Croft) than, like, every woman in every Nicholas Sparks movie. Shoot, every woman in ever Romcom for that matter (crazy generalization). I mean it seems like they all come across as easy, they fall in love hard and dote on the love interest and even though he does something unspeakable to hurt her, all he has to do is carry out one barf-worthy act of romance and she'll immediately fall head over heels for him again and hop right back in the sack with him. Like damn! If we want to stop propagating the sexualization of females, then why not stop making these step-by-step instruction manuals on how to, essentially, land a girl in 2 hours or less?

pingo

It's something like that the vast majority of teens have seen porn by the time they are 12. Less so for girls, but it evens out when they are about 15 or 16. 
Basically the idea that a rear shot pose is supposed to be inappropriate, I am not sure how much tangible weight there is to it. But it might be the commie european weirdo that is coming up in me.


In the US, I can understand that things abstinense education is still a thing in some states;






When you see things like that, you realize that it is no wonder that some Americans are so uptight about sex. Where as in Europe, it is possible to find tv channels that start the softcore porn by 22:00, and in many countries where going topless on the beach is acceptable. 


IMO, when young teens see things like nicki minaj anaconada videos, or heavily sexualized commercials from various clothing, fragrance, jewelry, and liquor brands with sweaty sexy models being seductive and erotic as hell, I am more interested in spending time educating kids about growing up in a sexualized, and trying to tell them how to deal with it, and bank into their heads that a lot of it is lighting, photoshop, fake camera angles and so on. 
It makes little sense in video games, when video games are so pro violence and destruction. It feels like a weird double standard to me. 
I'm not a parent, and people with kids will tell me that it is uncomfortable to see sexualization in entertainment, but it is already there. When kids take the bus to school, there is literally billboards with ripped male oily naked models sitting with spread legs having an orgasm with their junk covered by a pepsi. It's everywhere. So we need to spend our time trying to make sure it doesnt screw up kids later in life by giving them false expectations, low self worth and have a weird  approach to the other gender and sex in general. 



The Overwatch thing surprises me. When they announced Overwatch Blizzard released a statement saying that as a company they would move forward on trying to make diverse characters that where inclusive for all types of people, across the gender and racial and sexual orientation spectrums. And I think Overwatch nails that. It really has characters that are a bit of everything. Is it really out of character for Tracer to show her bum? 

jesteralways

rubydragon5 said:

Well the blizzard game thing I can understand, young people play those games and that pose can be inappropriate for some people depending on age.

As for the nintendo one, I skimmed through some of it, and they claim it had nothing to do with the harassment, its that she violated company policy,    bare with me it may be a total excuse by them but a outside party needs to investigate on that before drawing conclusions I feel.

Right... a kid can open the tv and see at least 10 sex scene in 5 minute but watching a young girl with a sexy pose in a game gonna ruin their lives...nice logic..

As for the nintendo community rep, she...well if you go to her facebook page you will see very very disturbing stuff, i am not going to say what, go see for yourself.

TiamatRoar

Tracer's pose was changed because it's out of character for her, not because it objectifies her.  Blizzard is putting a lot into building up its overwatch characters and making their lore in-depth and various other things to make them really deep characters that the players could get into, and Tracer's win pose just clashed a lot with the type of personality  Blizzard wanted her to give off.

Either that or some lousy evil SJW said "NO PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE FUN THINGS" and Blizzard said "Okay."

SEANMCAD

am I understanding this is about a virtual sex pose in a game in which the players virtually kill each other?

jesteralways

TiamatRoar said:

Tracer's pose was changed because it's out of character for her, not because it objectifies her.  Blizzard is putting a lot into building up its overwatch characters and making their lore in-depth and various other things to make them really deep characters that the players could get into, and Tracer's win pose just clashed a lot with the type of personality  Blizzard wanted her to give off.

Either that or some lousy evil SJW said "NO PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE FUN THINGS" and Blizzard said "Okay."

Out of character? How? People are now dictating how a virtual quirky, clumsy/ditzy assassin girl should like to stand with a sexy pose after killing someone or not. I mean really?? out of character? Bullshitting went to a new low with this. Next thing we know people will claim she is virgin and they have proof!!!

Cleffy

Woo there, someone removed the boob slider. What audacity. It's like someone running around with 2 black bars covering up a stripper.

MrNo

After thinking about the Blizzard story, many can argue that the night elf made a very fun toon to play. So for Blizzard to make a change to a toon just because some make a argument with the point of harassment. Makes me wonder if Blizzard is bowing to the needs of the stock sharers vs the gamer.

Just a after thought if you will.