Where are they all ?

Reskal

Actually i play Everquest 2. Its around 13 years old and it was long time well frequented, many servers and many players. These days they made many things easier and more comfortable, and i hear there are not that much players anymore.
Like in many other big games.
I remember old Everquest 17 years ago, how the community was. How social and skilled and helpful. No topic today, its the opposite. Tons of poor minds fill the games and i wonder, where are they all ?
I mean the noteworthy players, you can have fun with, you can even have a feeling of a good community ?
Is it there are that many games and they are spread over them all..or did they stop playing ? If so why ?

I know, many questions but i play different games, the good old games and its everywhere the same, they all fled and nearly only the sort of people is left, you don't want to group with. And i often think about the old days, started a char on project99, which is the biggest freeshard for Everquest, but here you just have bad people too..or the nice ones are silent.

I wonder, if there is a great game, and there are they all and i just don't find it ?

rojoArcueid

if by noteworthy players you mean EQ1 players, they are older now, moved on with their lives, and probably joined a more modern games.


Yes, you just dont find it. There are great games, you just have to dive through the crap to find them, but there are plenty out there.

WHen EQ1 was the thing, there were like 5 mmos in total. Today there are thousands so everyone is spread out.

Wizardry

They are right here.WAITING for another good game to come out that replicates a true mmorpg and not some single player game with a login screen.Seems we might have to wait a long time because nobody is building a triple A game and nobody is building a game with MMO characteristics.

All of these games i keep see coming out are pathetically bad.BDO is the biggest recent joke,players think because they see a bunch of lines all over their map indicating node connections thjat makes it a special game...i lol@ the notion.

I guess when compared to WOW a game where MOST fo these players come from or started it is one notch better than simply chasing yellow markers over npc  heads every single level,but that is not saying much to be able to add 1 aspect onto Wow's game especially when it is missing several others.
As of right now FFXIV is the only game remotely close to triple A and it is imo not good enough and not well rounded enough,again too many single player aspects in the design and this is what every developer is doing.

centkin

The high end eq1 and ac1 players have been picked off little by little with the "advancement" of the genre. 

A lot of us, but not all of us found WoW wanting when compared to the older games.

Some of us objected to the use of voice vs non-voice in games.  Some of the skills that the best early gamer vets had only stand out in non-voice situations.

We have aged.  A good number of those high end players from 17 years ago were 25-35 years old THEN.  Those gamers are 42-52 now.  The reflexes just aren't there, pulling some of the high end vets down to more normal levels.

It is harder to stand out when everything is spoon-fed.  Handling a lot of the inconveniences of the old games well is no longer a benefit in the "we show you where to go; you can never get lost" days of current gaming.

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At any rate a lot of us make appearances in games from time to time, but we are vastly outnumbered (400k was HUGE back in the everquest day, and it is hardly considered a success today), and the paradigms of today's gaming has changed enough so we simply do not stand out as much.

Reskal

So the spread thing seems to be it at most part. Its funny, i look very often to the old games, small games too like Atitd , in hope to find the good old days. But they vanished anyhow.
BDO not worth trying ? I looked at youtube but doesn't say that much. I don't like to be forced into a sex when i want to play a archer.

So FFXIV is still the best mmo with all the things like mining, fishing and crafting ? Or where do one has a chance to meet a good community and have much mmo-like content ?

I remember i played some years back SWTOR a few months. It was not a bad game, good graphics, not a bad community and much things to explore. Fight system was not that bad also.
 But at the endgame it was just a hunt for Tiers.

Gaming.Rocks2

I think people were also nicer back then. Hell I was a lot nicer!

bentrim

IMHO, FF is not in the same UNIVERSE as BDO...and yes I played FF, the most boring TP SOSDD, game I have ever played. To each their own, but if you thing crafting in FF is better...you DID NOT PLAY BDO.

Kyleran

On a positive note my favorite DAOC shard will be going into beta in about a month.

Soon I'll have a solid alternative to EVE and be able to "get my group on" once again.

Things are looking up from my perspective, but then I seek out what best (not perfectly) suits me and go play them, rather than eschewing everything in a self imposed well of despair.

nariusseldon

Reskal said:

I wonder, if there is a great game, and there are they all and i just don't find it ?

Great is subjective. 

There are tons of great game for me. D3, Fallout 4, the Division, AC Syndicate, ......

My problem is to find time to play games (amongst many other hobbies). 

Ashaia

In "WOW", before the LFG and LFR functions were added to the game and when everybody knew his tanks or healers on the home server, the bonds were tighter and firmer, and there was more social interaction. i also miss this kind of personal community. This has gone, and I could not find this in any of the newer games, which are also more superficial and more solo based.

I had big hope in "EVERQUEST NEXT", but unfortunately it has been canceld which really disappointed, as there is no true promising, incoming title at the horizon, soon.

Only the coming Korean AAA title  "BLESS ONLINE" might be interesting, with two factions and each race with its own starting lands. But with regards to Western MMORPG, it looks not so pretty exciting in the near future. 

Adjuvant1

centkin said:

Some of us objected to the use of voice vs non-voice in games.  Some of the skills that the best early gamer vets had only stand out in non-voice situations.

Oh. That brings me back. Leading poh/pof in '99 without voice chat, people sitting facing walls for low machine specs, sometimes one would go LD because the box fan he had cranked to the side of his 386, sans side panel, wasn't cutting it, then 3 more because they lived in the same town with crappy dial up. Ahh, the good old days.

Distopia

It's funny to me because I know exactly where to look if I want to find my old gaming comrades, so many of them at that, countless groups exist where they're present from Facebook, to Emu forums. Which most of them play WOW, ESO and SWG emu. STop wallowing away and search your old friends out...google search clan names, game servers, player names etc.. You're sure to find some of them, I miss MMOdna.com TBH this site should provide something similar. You could search the above criteria and find active members from all of your past MMO communities.

Wizardry

Reskal said:

So the spread thing seems to be it at most part. Its funny, i look very often to the old games, small games too like Atitd , in hope to find the good old days. But they vanished anyhow.
BDO not worth trying ? I looked at youtube but doesn't say that much. I don't like to be forced into a sex when i want to play a archer.

So FFXIV is still the best mmo with all the things like mining, fishing and crafting ? Or where do one has a chance to meet a good community and have much mmo-like content ?

I remember i played some years back SWTOR a few months. It was not a bad game, good graphics, not a bad community and much things to explore. Fight system was not that bad also.
 But at the endgame it was just a hunt for Tiers.

Of course only my opinion but yes FFXI is the best grouping game ever as EQ2 is the best at linear questing design.Sure some have nostalgic feelings towards other older games but imo they are simply not in the same league as the two games i mentioned.

Where to find a game that actually plays like a MMO?NOTHINGH exists right now which is really sad,doesn't offer any choice for MODERN mmorpg's,you have go back to FFXI or older games such as EQ1 for example.

I simply look at FFXi being a game designed for the PS2 console and scoff all the terrible SHALLOW efforts from these other devs who can't even make a grouping game work on the PC.Then to think the NEXT rendition since the 2002/3 era of FFXI may be the FFXI mobile version currently in development.That game may end up being the next  true grouping game,who knows,so far nobody else is stepping up to the plate.

xpowderx

centkin said:

The high end eq1 and ac1 players have been picked off little by little with the "advancement" of the genre. 

A lot of us, but not all of us found WoW wanting when compared to the older games.

Some of us objected to the use of voice vs non-voice in games.  Some of the skills that the best early gamer vets had only stand out in non-voice situations.

We have aged.  A good number of those high end players from 17 years ago were 25-35 years old THEN.  Those gamers are 42-52 now.  The reflexes just aren't there, pulling some of the high end vets down to more normal levels.

It is harder to stand out when everything is spoon-fed.  Handling a lot of the inconveniences of the old games well is no longer a benefit in the "we show you where to go; you can never get lost" days of current gaming.

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At any rate a lot of us make appearances in games from time to time, but we are vastly outnumbered (400k was HUGE back in the everquest day, and it is hardly considered a success today), and the paradigms of today's gaming has changed enough so we simply do not stand out as much.

Those dang youngsters!  Thanks for making me feel old!  Ohh wait!  I am :-D.  Maybe Mike can make us a a set of forums called MMO Ol'Timers! Or perhaps name it "Grumpy Old MMOers"!

Reskal

Grumpy old MMOers would be nice ! Youth often is full of ignorance , they are simply to young to understand melancholy. Bless Online looked not bad tough, pretty realistic and not overloaded with effects like FF XIV.
Is there a place where you can track upcoming interesting mmo in a good overview ?
I thought be here but not sure )

Amathe

Everything that is once popular someday comes back.

Except CB radios. That never came back.

So I'm waiting on a game of the type I once enjoyed.

iixviiiix

Play singleplayer game cause they are better than those MMO in disguise.
If not , you can find them on browser games like clash of clans cause those browser game are far far better at massively multiplayer online than those called themselves MMO.

I don't forget about lol , dota and so called MMO WoT and other multiplayer FPS game that did better at multiplayer than those half-baked MMO .

Who baked those MMO anyway ? i like to complain .

Adjuvant1

Most of the people I knew through gaming, from that era, sold their toons on ebay ( yes, it happened alot ) or some other way. I was like, oh, I'm so glad I spent time being a part of this so you could sell yourself out. Mostly it happened as, they would disappear for a couple weeks or a month, reappear and not know anyone. Sometimes I had communication with them after the fact, but there were other people to whom I felt more like talking.

There's a downside to being really good at things, or just part of something that did really well as a unit, that not all participants share the same morals. Do I expect people to have been buried with their online personae? I don't know what I think in that respect, but it seemed like it was everyone.

nariusseldon

iixviiiix said:

Play singleplayer game cause they are better than those MMO in disguise.
If not , you can find them on browser games like clash of clans cause those browser game are far far better at massively multiplayer online than those called themselves MMO.

I don't forget about lol , dota and so called MMO WoT and other multiplayer FPS game that did better at multiplayer than those half-baked MMO .

Who baked those MMO anyway ? i like to complain .

I agree. There are plenty of good online games to play. 

Old school mmorpgs are marginalized, without new AAA development (at least in the west). So why bother with them anyway? There are plenty of new, shiny, fun games to play.