One man and his twisted mind. The face of the community? From the mind of Ben Lesnick.

Brenics

bartoni33 said:

Brenics said:

This is not about what a stupid 25 year old adult wrote and said 10 years ago. This is about a guy that admits to doing it and then saying it is funny and "Probably the best thing I'll ever do!"

http://banditloaf.livejournal.com/105991.html

No excuse for him to say this. What he should have done once he was outed was to take the page down and say something to the effect yeah I was a pretty stupid adult back then.

But not one of us should ignore this, more so if anyone has children that go to where he works. No am not calling him a child molester there aren't any facts to that. But I would not trust him alone around any of my kids. 

Yet this shows me how ill this person is. https://t.co/dWUYqgfyE8

I wish he would have deleted this a long time ago, but he should have deleted it yesterday once it hit. His actions do not show a person of any intellect. 

What i do laugh at is one of our nominees had something like this online no one would be saying oh he was young we all say stupid shit. 

All I can say is yeah he was a young adult and said stupid stuff about 9/11, Jews, Hitler but this is how he thinks and who he is no one can take that away from him.

Except Ben! I hope he gets professional help.

Damn it Brenics you got yourself arrested again?

In all fairness to the Anti's/Bars of Shame crowd I do have to agree that it was a bad idea to link the journal/blog to his Twitter account. It's OK to own up to the existence of it. Deleting it would do no good because it's been saved on many computers to be thrown up at will. A simple mea culpa (see @Adjuvant1 I can speak Latin too!) would have sufficed. But to go full retard (trigger?) and Tweet a link to it is almost tantamount to career suicide...

WAIT! I see now what's going on! E.L.E. coming soon right? He's forcing his way out before the big one hits!

Brilliant!

LOL yeah in jail again Bubba wanted me back. 

Just so everyone knows this was a complete shock to all of us. I also believe someone at CIG leaked this out. This has nothing to do with the E.L.E going on. 

rodarin

Remember when everyone was defending Allison Rapp? Before they found out she was a prostitute? Not that being a prostitute is as bad as being a pedophile (not that he is he just blogs about it, and worked in a school), but legit companies probably dont want either representing them.

Yeah no foreshadowing there.

The irony is many perverts are almost beloved universally, its that characteristic that allows them to do what they do and thats why they get away with it for so long. That and enablers and money

Bill Cosby
Jared from Subway
The dad from that church show
James franco (although he sort of escaped it)
Brian singer (got away with it too)
That guy from that other religious show who molested his sisters

The list could go on but the point is made.

Innocence until proven guilty will be the masses, but there is one thing that is indefensible (even in prison where the most vile of the vile {who have been caught} make examples and victims of those convicted of it). So there is really absolutely NO EXCUSE for 'joking' about it or jokingly 'fantasizing' about it. Hitler is one thing but molesting kids is another, and ANY 25 year old would and should no better.

But for sake of argument think of the raunchiest and most over the top stand up comics ever to walk the earth. Guys who didnt even have to be famous or even funny. Find a SINGLE example from any of them where they joke about having sex with kids. So no the 'its a joke' excuse doesnt fly either.

Distopia

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Considering this is his self proclaimed "diary"... I'd very much defend him if within he acknowledged his poor choices when starting such a a diary/journal. It's hard to defend him when he only acknowledges it as wrong when it comes out in such a manner. 

bartoni33

Brenics said:

bartoni33 said:

Brenics said:

This is not about what a stupid 25 year old adult wrote and said 10 years ago. This is about a guy that admits to doing it and then saying it is funny and "Probably the best thing I'll ever do!"

http://banditloaf.livejournal.com/105991.html

No excuse for him to say this. What he should have done once he was outed was to take the page down and say something to the effect yeah I was a pretty stupid adult back then.

But not one of us should ignore this, more so if anyone has children that go to where he works. No am not calling him a child molester there aren't any facts to that. But I would not trust him alone around any of my kids. 

Yet this shows me how ill this person is. https://t.co/dWUYqgfyE8

I wish he would have deleted this a long time ago, but he should have deleted it yesterday once it hit. His actions do not show a person of any intellect. 

What i do laugh at is one of our nominees had something like this online no one would be saying oh he was young we all say stupid shit. 

All I can say is yeah he was a young adult and said stupid stuff about 9/11, Jews, Hitler but this is how he thinks and who he is no one can take that away from him.

Except Ben! I hope he gets professional help.

Damn it Brenics you got yourself arrested again?

In all fairness to the Anti's/Bars of Shame crowd I do have to agree that it was a bad idea to link the journal/blog to his Twitter account. It's OK to own up to the existence of it. Deleting it would do no good because it's been saved on many computers to be thrown up at will. A simple mea culpa (see @Adjuvant1 I can speak Latin too!) would have sufficed. But to go full retard (trigger?) and Tweet a link to it is almost tantamount to career suicide...

WAIT! I see now what's going on! E.L.E. coming soon right? He's forcing his way out before the big one hits!

Brilliant!

LOL yeah in jail again Bubba wanted me back. 

Just so everyone knows this was a complete shock to all of us. I also believe someone at CIG leaked this out. This has nothing to do with the E.L.E going on. 

"Drop the soap! Don't drop the soap baby! Drop the soap! Don't bend your ass over!" (sung to the tune of "Don't Rock the Boat")

I don't see this as a "leak" per se (Oh snap! There I go again @Adjuvant1). It's not like this was on a private server or on his personal computer. It has been out there for years. Someone was just bored/obsessed enough to find it.

Shodanas

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

This is the new level the anti SC squad has descended to. Hypocritical, discouraging and sad.

Indicative of their personal integrity and their "the end justifies the means" approach.

GrumpyHobbit

I guess some people will be sighing in relief that they finally got their pound of flesh...

Adjuvant1

bartoni33 said:

 A simple mea culpa (see @Adjuvant1 I can speak Latin too!) would have sufficed.

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Star Citizen. It will be interesting post mortem.

Brenics

bartoni33 said:

Brenics said:

bartoni33 said:

Brenics said:

This is not about what a stupid 25 year old adult wrote and said 10 years ago. This is about a guy that admits to doing it and then saying it is funny and "Probably the best thing I'll ever do!"

http://banditloaf.livejournal.com/105991.html

No excuse for him to say this. What he should have done once he was outed was to take the page down and say something to the effect yeah I was a pretty stupid adult back then.

But not one of us should ignore this, more so if anyone has children that go to where he works. No am not calling him a child molester there aren't any facts to that. But I would not trust him alone around any of my kids. 

Yet this shows me how ill this person is. https://t.co/dWUYqgfyE8

I wish he would have deleted this a long time ago, but he should have deleted it yesterday once it hit. His actions do not show a person of any intellect. 

What i do laugh at is one of our nominees had something like this online no one would be saying oh he was young we all say stupid shit. 

All I can say is yeah he was a young adult and said stupid stuff about 9/11, Jews, Hitler but this is how he thinks and who he is no one can take that away from him.

Except Ben! I hope he gets professional help.

Damn it Brenics you got yourself arrested again?

In all fairness to the Anti's/Bars of Shame crowd I do have to agree that it was a bad idea to link the journal/blog to his Twitter account. It's OK to own up to the existence of it. Deleting it would do no good because it's been saved on many computers to be thrown up at will. A simple mea culpa (see @Adjuvant1 I can speak Latin too!) would have sufficed. But to go full retard (trigger?) and Tweet a link to it is almost tantamount to career suicide...

WAIT! I see now what's going on! E.L.E. coming soon right? He's forcing his way out before the big one hits!

Brilliant!

LOL yeah in jail again Bubba wanted me back. 

Just so everyone knows this was a complete shock to all of us. I also believe someone at CIG leaked this out. This has nothing to do with the E.L.E going on. 

"Drop the soap! Don't drop the soap baby! Drop the soap! Don't bend your ass over!" (sung to the tune of "Don't Rock the Boat")

I don't see this as a "leak" per se (Oh snap! There I go again @Adjuvant1). It's not like this was on a private server or on his personal computer. It has been out there for years. Someone was just bored/obsessed enough to find it.

Yes that could be true, but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it. How the hell would any of us even think to search for something like this. 

bartoni33

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Considering this is his self proclaimed "diary"... I'd very much defend him if within he acknowledged his poor choices when starting such a a diary/journal. It's hard to defend him when he only acknowledges it as wrong when it comes out in such a manner. 

I really don't think you can call it his diary. Diary's by definition are a private journal not meant for public consumption. This was posted on Livejournal at the time IIRC. So it is just an attempt at crass humor.

EDIT: Actually he does say it started out as a personal diary. That still doesn't mean it's an account of his inner demons and what he wants to do IRL.  Well he is stupid as fuck for leaving this up after he got "internet famous" but that isn't a good reason to fire him. It is a reason unfortunately, just not a good one.

Distopia

Shodanas said:

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

This is the new level the anti SC squad has descended to. Hypocritical, discouraging and sad.

Indicative of their personal integrity and their "the end justifies the means" approach.

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

GrumpyHobbit

Brenics said:

Yes that could be true, but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it. How the hell would any of us even think to search for something like this. 

Someone who has a lot of time and a personal agenda against SC....can you think of anyone so obsessed? Who do we know who is digging with every waking moment to try and find something, anything to put SC in a bad light......Anyone coming to mind?

Kefo

Shodanas said:

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

This is the new level the anti SC squad has descended to. Hypocritical, discouraging and sad.

Indicative of their personal integrity and their "the end justifies the means" approach.

He obviously doesn't have any guilt about writing the crap that's in his blog otherwise he wouldn't have told people there are some good reads in there. Comments like that make me think he hasn't changed except he isn't stupid enough to publish those thoughts online now. In my opinion he deserves the flak he is going to catch for this.

GrumpyHobbit

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

rodarin

All I can say is what if Derrick Smart had written that shit?

Brenics

GrumpyHobbit said:

Brenics said:

Yes that could be true, but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it. How the hell would any of us even think to search for something like this. 

Someone who has a lot of time and a personal agenda against SC....can you think of anyone so obsessed? Who do we know who is digging with every waking moment to try and find something, anything to put SC in a bad light......Anyone coming to mind?

Like always you give us way to much credit. You are really trying very hard to somehow twist Ben's twisted mind and blame it on DS. That has to be one of the lowest things you could do at this point. 

Believe it or not I only see this coming from a person that is close to Ben or works closely with him. 

Erillion

Brenics said:

 but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it.

Dream on.

I know you do not believe me but you usually believe TheSmarty:
".... Goons uncovered Ben Lesnick’s legacy website..."


Have fun

Brenics

Erillion said:

Brenics said:

 but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it.

Dream on.

I know you do not believe me but you usually believe TheSmarty:
".... Goons uncovered Ben Lesnick’s legacy website..."


Have fun

Out of your own mouth! Proof?

bartoni33

Kefo said:

He obviously doesn't have any guilt about writing the crap that's in his blog otherwise he wouldn't have told people there are some good reads in there. Comments like that make me think he hasn't changed except he isn't stupid enough to publish those thoughts online now. In my opinion he deserves the flak he is going to catch for this.

Why would he feel guilt for anything. It's just ramblings of a 20something going through life issues by creating a Blog and trying to be cool and funny. Sure it's mostly a fail at that but it's not Mein Kamph FFS.

Adjuvant1

GrumpyHobbit said:

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

It's been so nice to read your seven posts in this thread, only now realizing you haven't even tried to educate yourself of the content on which the thread is based. You're a real contributor and a hero. Thank you so much for your insight.

Kefo

GrumpyHobbit said:

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

If you don't know what's going on then why have you been posting in this thread defending what was said? Do you jump in head first when you see something posted by a member of the critic section?

laserit

The people that dig up this shit, are scarier than the people that they dig up shit on.

GrumpyHobbit

Brenics said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Brenics said:

Yes that could be true, but I believe someone at CIG does not like him and leaked it. How the hell would any of us even think to search for something like this. 

Someone who has a lot of time and a personal agenda against SC....can you think of anyone so obsessed? Who do we know who is digging with every waking moment to try and find something, anything to put SC in a bad light......Anyone coming to mind?

Like always you give us way to much credit. You are really trying very hard to somehow twist Ben's twisted mind and blame it on DS. That has to be one of the lowest things you could do at this point. 

Believe it or not I only see this coming from a person that is close to Ben or works closely with him. 

Not trying to twist anything. 

You insinuated it was someone working at SC who does not like him. 

I insinuated it might be someone with a track record of doing this very sort of thing. 

At least I had a basis for my insinuation that has some historical precedent. 

There are already lots of known witch hunters out there, we don't need to look any further really. 

Shodanas

Distopia said:

Shodanas said:

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

This is the new level the anti SC squad has descended to. Hypocritical, discouraging and sad.

Indicative of their personal integrity and their "the end justifies the means" approach.

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

I do not need to defend anyone for anything.

In lack of any substantial data against the project itself CIG's people will have their lives scrutinized and then paraded on reddit, blogs and mmorpg ?

And people are okay with this ?

Erillion

Brenics said:

Out of your own mouth! Proof?

Its in his twitter feed and blog ;-)


Have fun

Brenics

Also just couple days after this was found Disco made some bad comments about CR and the game. Very strange how things are coming together from the inside. 

(I will not post what Disco said but it is out there, personally I like the guy (Disco not Ben).