One man and his twisted mind. The face of the community? From the mind of Ben Lesnick.

bartoni33

rodarin said:

All I can say is what if Derrick Smart had written that shit?

Touche.

I would hope I would have the exact same opinion. I'm pretty sure I would in fact.

GrumpyHobbit

Adjuvant1 said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

It's been so nice to read your seven posts in this thread, only now realizing you haven't even tried to educate yourself of the content on which the thread is based. You're a real contributor and a hero. Thank you so much for your insight.

Yeah sorry, I don't trowel through sites I don't trust and so was following the conversation. I didn't see anything in the link I did follow so just want to check if anyone actually HAS checked to see what all the fuss is about. 

As for educating myself...I thoguht that was exactly what I just tried to do.....

dsmart

For the record, I was NOT the one who found the website. A Goon noticed it after Ben posted about it in his Twitter feed.

Then the Goon noticed that it was searchable.

It blew up from there.

[mod edit]

The TOXICITY of the Star Citizen community is a direct reflection of the people who run it and those who run this project as leads. That's all there is to it.

You know what, I am already 5K words into a blog that I am writing because the missive I wrote over here, and which lists all the worst ones, isn't going to cut it.

ps: No, this has NOTHING to do with the on-going Star Citizen E.L.E that's already in progress. That's coming to a head sooner than most think or realize.

hfztt

Brenics said:

 This is about a guy that admits to doing it and then saying it is funny and "Probably the best thing I'll ever do!"

To be fair that was in reference to this specific subsite: http://hamtwoslices.net/spiders.htm

I have not read that specific page line for line, but that seems pretty harmless, and even moderately funny...

Come on guys. You are trying to spin this just a tad to hard. I certainly hope this was not the ELE. That would be VERY disappointing with sad on top.

Distopia

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Considering this is his self proclaimed "diary"... I'd very much defend him if within he acknowledged his poor choices when starting such a a diary/journal. It's hard to defend him when he only acknowledges it as wrong when it comes out in such a manner. 

I really don't think you can call it his diary. Diary's by definition are a private journal not meant for public consumption. This was posted on Livejournal at the time IIRC. So it is just an attempt at crass humor.

EDIT: Actually he does say it started out as a personal diary. That still doesn't mean it's an account of his inner demons and what he wants to do IRL.  Well he is stupid as fuck for leaving this up after he got "internet famous" but that isn't a good reason to fire him. It is a reason unfortunately, just not a good one.

Yeah i found this last night when Brenics made a comment in the 15 dollar thread, I figured I'd search for what he was referring to as "damaging" that came to light, didn't take long. It was the top new post on Redit. Which is where I saw him calling it his diary in his response to it..

I figured there would be a thread on it here by morning. 

Anyway, I don't know... I don't really see this as a bad reason to fire someone, nor do i think it's sinister to bring to light. ANd regardless of whether they're just "jokes" or his true thoughts, they're stupid things to say especially in a public manner. 

I get it in this day and age there's too much PC nonsense, so in that regard there are a lot of people who have just dropped any thought on holding people responsible for the things they say. I'm against a lot of the PC nonsense as well. Yet on matters such as this, there's no exaggeration, there's no question, there's no innuendo, the statements are clear, their meaning is clear, they're not funny, they're not cute, they're just dumb, and at times disgusting. Hence it's rather hard to defend them, or brush them off as being young and dumb. In the crowd I grew up around if someone said some crap like that, they'd be hurting afterward joking or not. 

Brenics

Erillion said:

Brenics said:

Out of your own mouth! Proof?

Its in his twitter feed and blog ;-)


Have fun

Okay > He wrote a “non-apology” missive. And yes, you guessed it, he blames it on Goons. And that he was a teenager

Have Fun! 

GrumpyHobbit

Kefo said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

If you don't know what's going on then why have you been posting in this thread defending what was said? Do you jump in head first when you see something posted by a member of the critic section?

I can read. 

People write stuff, I read it, I comment. 

I asked for a summary because I personally couldn't find what people were writing about. 

Quit with the constant personal belittleing remarks.

Erillion

Brenics said:

Also just couple days after this was found Disco made some bad comments about CR and the game. Very strange how things are coming together from the inside. 

(I will not post what Disco said but it is out there, personally I like the guy (Disco not Ben).

I watched it  ... care to name the "bad comments" .... besides  the: "I love my job !".

And do it with link and timestamp to the video please ... not the TheSmarty repost version of it where DS tries to construct a "Jared hates Chris" narrative out of it. Context is important.


Have fun

Deathenger

GrumpyHobbit said:

Distopia said:

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

What exactly is being defended? Bad jokes? 

Can anyone provide a summary of exactly what is the big problem here. Not into reddit and all those other sites and the 1 link I did follow had a link to pictures of a newsreader and a link to fun facts about spiders...not enough time or desire to dig any deeper myself. 

 Page 5 of this thread is when you decide to ask what we're talking about here? Dude why are you even posting in this thread if you don't know what were talking about?

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

Erillion

>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps: No, this has NOTHING to do with the on-going Star Citizen E.L.E that's already in progress. That's coming to a head sooner than most think or realize.>>>>>>


Hey Smarty,

still trying to get the concept of Foundry 42 Frankfurt ;-) and EU laws into your head ?!

***with a deep throaty voice *** THIS IS HUGE !  ;-)

LMAO

But hey, your contacts in Germany will bring it all to light, will they not ?   ;-)


Have fun

bartoni33

dsmart said:

The TOXICITY of the Star Citizen community is a direct reflection of the people who run it and those who run this project as leads. That's all there is to it.

A 10+ year old Livejournal that no one knew about until a few days ago written by one person that is just a CM is causing the SC community to be toxic? You are calling the SC community toxic? YOU are calling ANYONE toxic? YOU?

Deathenger

Guys please do not reply to troll bait posts like the two above this one. The derail campaign is beginning. Dont let it happen.

I would love to continue, but I have 5 yards of mulch to spread in the yard. :-(

Have Fun!!!!!!!!

Distopia

Shodanas said:

Distopia said:

Shodanas said:

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

bartoni33 said:

Distopia said:

bartoni33 said:

1: He did not represent CIG when the statements were made.
2: Congrats! You can Google dead languages.
3: I did not say anything about freedom of speech in regards to the Constitution . I said that we are defending his right to not be fired for something he said 10+ years ago when he was not a employee of CIG. What you and your ilk find unacceptable many will not agree with.

That never matters... it doesn't matter when he said it when it comes to this kind of thing, few companies are going to support an employee under such circumstances, especially when that person is in a position of community relation. They don't want that person to be guilty of every "ism" in the books, as well as to have a written document of those "isms" on public display while still inviting folks to "come read"... That's just bad for business. Especially when considering the public stance on such things in 2016.

Quoted for unfortunate truth.

I can/will still stand up for him. I hope more will do the same.

Digging up someones past and dragging him in the mud in true tabloid fashion.

This is the new level the anti SC squad has descended to. Hypocritical, discouraging and sad.

Indicative of their personal integrity and their "the end justifies the means" approach.

I really don't think the attacks on the "anti" crowd over this "revelation" look much better to be honest. It just looks like sour grapes because it's not easily defensible. 

I do not need to defend anyone for anything.

In lack of any substantial data against the project itself CIG's people will have their lives scrutinized and then paraded on reddit, blogs and mmorpg ?

And people are okay with this ?

This guy was parading them himself on the internet before the game was a thought on anyone's mind. The only guilty party in that is he himself.

Shodanas

dsmart said:

For the record, I was NOT the one who found the website. A Goon noticed it after Ben posted about it in his Twitter feed.

Then the Goon noticed that it was searchable.

It blew up from there.

Shitizens will of course try to change the narrative, make excuses (he was young; uhm, no he wasn't), blame and make it about me etc. That's what they do.

The TOXICITY of the Star Citizen community is a direct reflection of the people who run it and those who run this project as leads. That's all there is to it.

You know what, I am already 5K words into a blog that I am writing because the missive I wrote over here, and which lists all the worst ones, isn't going to cut it.

ps: No, this has NOTHING to do with the on-going Star Citizen E.L.E that's already in progress. That's coming to a head sooner than most think or realize.

Calling SC backers shits.. so very DS. (reported for this)

Toxicity.. people interested in witnessing toxicity should visit your blogs. Cesspools filed with spite, hate, unfounded bs of all sorts.

E.L.E.. you already moved the date twice. This E.L.E should have gone down yesterday. Now it is an event in progress. Credibility was never your strong point after all.

hfztt

dsmart said:

ps: No, this has NOTHING to do with the on-going Star Citizen E.L.E that's already in progress. That's coming to a head sooner than most think or realize.

Good. We need some real drama, not this thin piss.

You DID test many fellow SC sceptics with the huge build up and fizzle of your last blog post...

bartoni33

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Adjuvant1

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Not everyone agrees there's this necessary disconnect.  That, to me, is a convenient excuse to legitimize callous victimization. Depicting things that happen can be art. Getting off to it makes it your porn.

bartoni33

Adjuvant1 said:

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Not everyone agrees there's this necessary disconnect.  That, to me, is a convenient excuse to legitimize callous victimization. Depicting things that happen can be art. Getting off to it makes it your porn.

Bits and bytes rendered on a computer cannot be victims. Nor can a drawing. Or a statue. Or your own imagination. Let's not even get into thought crime please.

No 10 year olds were harmed in the making of The Book of LOAF.

GrumpyHobbit

Adjuvant1 said:

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Not everyone agrees there's this necessary disconnect.  That, to me, is a convenient excuse to legitimize callous victimization. Depicting things that happen can be art. Getting off to it makes it your porn.

Aisian games get off on this kind of stuff all the time which is why I don't like them. I mean what were those characters in AA that were basically little girls in mini skirts and suspenders...

Not sure people have ever got into trouble writing stuff like this....I mean Game Of Thrones would be in bad shape if he was held to task for everything he wrote.

Deathenger

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Interesting... well let me offer you this scenario and tell me what you would do.

You have kids and are dropping them off at daycare. One if the caregivers is 25 Years's old. You overhear him describing a sexual situation with a 10 year old girl cartoon character.

Do you still leave your kids in this person's care? 

Adjuvant1

bartoni33 said:

No 10 year olds were harmed in the making of The Book of LOAF.

If that were the question, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but a different one about someone in prison.

You're back to "what is protected" vs "what is acceptable" again. I don't feel it's acceptable for mid 20s men to make sexual innuendo about anthropomorphized 10 year old anything. Does he have a right to think it and write about it? Sure. Is it funny or something to which everyone should just relate? No. No... I don't think that's a presentable case at all. I think you just get a buzzer sound and should type about something else.

Distopia

bartoni33 said:

Adjuvant1 said:

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Not everyone agrees there's this necessary disconnect.  That, to me, is a convenient excuse to legitimize callous victimization. Depicting things that happen can be art. Getting off to it makes it your porn.

Bits and bytes rendered on a computer cannot be victims. Nor can a drawing. Or a statue. Or your own imagination. Let's not even get into thought crime please.

No 10 year olds were harmed in the making of The Book of LOAF.

Yet doesn't it still show signs of depravity? To even find such statements as a go to line for comedy or satire? Most "shock" artists don't even take things that far, for a reason. They're not truly sick and callous enough to cross those lines as they're sane enough to see those lines.

GrumpyHobbit

Deathenger said:

Interesting... well let me offer you this scenario and tell me what you would do.

You have kids and are dropping them off at daycare. One if the caregivers is 25 Years's old. You overhear him describing a sexual situation with a 10 year old girl cartoon character.

Do you still leave your kids in this person's care? 

What was he doing to the cartoon?

Or to put it another way....

Should Jessica Rabbit be put in jail because I fantasised about having sex with her when I was a kid?

bartoni33

Deathenger said:

bartoni33 said:

Deathenger said:

Here, how about just one of Ben Lesnick's quotes. Ready? The # is the quote number from the database

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

I believe Misty was like a 10 year old character. He said that whilst working at a school. Let that sink in for a sec.

A character. Not a real person. Rule 34 and all that jazz.

Anything in there referring to a real person?

Interesting... well let me offer you this scenario and tell me what you would do.

You have kids and are dropping them off at daycare. One if the caregivers is 25 Years's old. You overhear him describing a sexual situation with a 10 year old girl cartoon character.

Do you still leave your kids in this person's care? 

If he's Asian? Sure! Different cultures right?

If my kid is a 10 year old cartoon character? Nope!

In all honesty I would be hesitant to do so. But running a day care and being a CM for a school are different situations.

BTW you aren't insinuating that Big Ben is a Pedo right?

GrumpyHobbit

bartoni33 said:

BTW you aren't insinuating that Big Ben is a Pedo right?

I thought that was the entire point...