That being said the streamer guy should have just said "Get professional help, I am glad my stream helped, but you need to see some one who can really help".
I agree with this however I don't think the issue should really be about what he said. You can agree or disagree with him but I think the issue is whether or not he should have lost his job for it. If his stream was him working for the company then I completely get the firing. If this is his personal stream that he did on his own time then I think it is once again an attempt for people to silence others when they don't agree with their speech.
I've never worked for a company that didn't care for how it's employees personal life wasn't an important factor in maintaining a job. I don't know of any company that wants a guy who rants like that in a public media forum to be associated with them in any way, shape or form. There are just certain jobs in society that require you to uphold to a higher standard in social events and media. Such as journalists, doctors, law enforcement and yes, even the game industry.
I've turned down a couple jobs merely because they wanted to view/search through my facebook and what not. I guess it's just a sad state of affairs these days, imo.
Companies live in the public eye. Are you saying that if you owned a company, you would hire anyone, racist, bigot, sexiest? As long as they did a good job you would not care? If 70% of your customers were black, you would hire a white supremacist? Get real.
I'm actually in the process of starting my own company and seeing what that entails so might be able to factually answer at some point in the future.
However, I am under the belief that a company and a person are 2 separate things. So I would like to think that I would hire anyone, regardless of their personal views as long as they can do their job well and as long as their not doing anything to hurt the company WHILE WORKING.
I don't subscribe to outrage culture, the rest of society does, so that can surely be an issue for me.
What ? This person is clearly totally clueless on this subject i don't know what i would of done if he of done this to me wow i am shocked someone would say that.
There is one thing i will say if you have never been in that situation it's best to keep your mouth shut it's something you need to experience yourself he's such an idiot.
To me it sounds like the Streamer has dealt with thoughts of suicide himself. More than likely he has been in the same shoes as the donator. What he said was perhaps not as tactful as it should have been, but perhaps he was having a bad day? Suicide is an idea that crosses most if not all people's minds at some time in their life. People tend to think in extremes.
Suicide is most certainly selfish, but your life is your own, so it is quite natural for you to be selfish with how you handle it. However, what the streamer said was right, if there is anyone in your life that loves you and/or relies on you, suicide is incredibly selfish. I've seen the after-effects first hand. I have also thought extensively about taking my own life for most of my adult life, but I have my wife and kids that keep me grounded. Unfortunately not everyone has those lifelines, which is perhaps the Streamer's shortcoming to his viewpoint: he doesn't know the individual's life circumstances.
I read the full story. What do you say to this? The story is very sad on so many levels. I just hope the person who is suicidal gets some help and maybe the Hi Rez GM seeks some counseling too.
All of the above comments agreeing with DMBrandon make me fucking sad. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You can't just choose to one day get over mental illness. I hate to break it to the person above that said they had depression and no longer do... but sorry babe, depression can't be cured. You can get treatment but it will always recur. There is no proven treatment, no proven medication. There is a chance that you find a medication that works for you, but even then, your body will eventually build up an immunity to it and your depression will relapse.
Source: I work in a hospital for the mentally ill.
To help you guys understand depression, imagine your darkest day. A day where you really struggled to get out of bed. Maybe a friend or family member died, or maybe you and your partner just ended things. Just imagine that day and turn it into 3 months worth of this same exact feeling. Now, remove the situation that caused those feelings from those 3 months, because people with depression have depression for no reason. They feel depressed even on what seems like a perfect day. Now, take all emotions out of those 3 months. This is what depression looks like. It is not feeling sad or "not feeling happy", rather it is an inability to feel anything at all. It is incredibly numbing, and when you finally reach a point where you feel like your life means nothing and you will never feel anything again, you take your life.
Now, there IS treatment and medication, but they don't always work. This is because the medical practice is so underfunded and there is not enough research going into the field.
To those that have fought depression and are currently in remission: Please continue fighting. One day, those feelings will creep back in, but do not be discouraged. Seek help again. You are a survivor.
DMBrandon is a huge figure in the world of SMITE. He's also by far the best caster they have for the game, so it's a real shame he felt the need to quit.
He's notoriously hotheaded- that's part of why he became popular. He claims to have "conquered depression", which I'm not even sure is possible, just by basically waking up one day and deciding he wasn't depressed anymore lol. I'm not sure he realizes that day probably coincided with him making good money off streaming SMITE and becoming E-famous.
Anyway, his reaction to the guy surely comes from his own difficulties with depression. People shouldn't assume he's just an asshole. Don't get me wrong- he IS an asshole, but I don't think that's why he reacted the way he did.
All in all it's probably for the best. Most of his schtick is being a jerk, and he can't really be a jerk and be a face for HiRez at the same time. He can go back to BMing everyone in game for 5 minutes straight because they didn't split xp on a mid camp correctly, and HiRez can go back to not having a total loose cannon causing PR problems.
But like I said, it really sucks he won't be casting anymore. I wish he could still cast and not work for them.
In the lines of a donation, flameing back at a donation with such a direct personal aimed confrontation is harrasment.
Face it, if something in SMITE would happened like it, any professional human reviewer would say the same.
Lets elaborate it, the donation is a charity, in the charity someone explained those videos helped him and for that reason they made the decision to donate.
In any circumstance no matter the personal perspective, there is no way you can insult such note in this indirect presentation (a donation note)
Even if it where to be in a chatbox, the person is writeing to and about the video, no one else.
I understand its always tempting to respond, but I have to be fair here.
The person who wrote the comment is the one I would defend.
My experience with HI-REZ since they write about how they care for mental issues, made me laugh.
I around a half year ago received so many negative reports from players against me for playing bad, the negative and repetitive spiral I had to endure and experience made me to confront my feelings to HI-REZ in a ticket.
The awnser I received was that if any reports become structual I was to be expected to receive some punishment.
I have an eye handicap, and more handicaps, no other game I ever played would punish someone for the gameplay performance.
I created more and more tickets, expressing the feeling that grown bigger and bigger, because I was really feeling threatened for things I cannot guarrenteed to perform with my eye handicap, and I loved to play SMITE.
What I did was forward all parts in their old Terms of Use, and did not received any response for half year to any of my feelings all the tickets remained updated status.
A short time ago I decided to write a new ticket after the Terms of Use was changed, it felt way more fair, and all the old threatening feelings it had given me was no more to be found.
This time I did received the reassureing feeling that HI-REZ cared about me and my feelings and wanted me to have this safe feeling I am haveing now.
Still it feel sad that even in this video and article, I am getting abit the distrust and negative feelings again if this is how they judge things.
Atleast after a half year sitting with painful unfair threated feeling, I do play the SMITE game again with more joy then before.
Anyone who has lived through a suicide attempt is bound to have some strong feelings about it. That doesn't make what he said "right", though.
Hi-Rez comes out looking golden through this, imo, especially with that charitable donation. However, it certainly doesn't make me want to play League, whose community is already somewhat notorious.
In an online game once, there was a group (of kids, I assume) fantasizing about swallowing bleach in general chat. All I said was "please don't".
I have no judgement on those who choose to commit suicide, and I've been to some pretty dark places in life myself. However, what I've seen premature familial deaths do to the family afterward is one of the strongest evidences to me that suicide is not the answer.
God bless all those that lived through it and are here to tell the tale; may your recovery be strong and prosperous.
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While his message was delivered in an unecessarily caustic manner, it was spot on IMO.
Suicide is not acceptable, and it is a selfish thing to do. (the "stupid" remark was uncalled for)
Dismissing him was the right move, these WWF/MMA/Internet tough guy attitudes need to be given the heave ho, so civility can return to human interactions.
How about you live with my depression , severe OCD and agoraphobia and then start saying suicide is not acceptable.
I have an extreme case of Bipolar Disorder, numorous phobias, I have extreme OCD, and deal with roommates that make fun of me on a daily basis...I agree with this streamer in the fact that its the most selfish thing you can do. Most religions believe it to be the ultimate sin. Did he handle it wrong at first, absolutely. However he did go more in depth later about it, and I agree with his statements...his stream didn't get that guy thru it, that guy got himself thru it. I hope that listener hears that too. The human mind no matter how many mental health issues a person has is incredibly powerful. I manage my problems thru will power...I tell myself to overcome them and do. So I give that streamer props.
To that listener...you are a person, there are people who care about you, and will listen to you. Overcome, you are a powerful individual, and I promise you that you will manage thru it, and come out stronger...but like I said, tell yourself, suicide is never the answer.
A friend of mine's mother recently committed suicide. She's very angry about it, and will likely be so the rest of her life. It's difficult to fathom what goes through a person's head that takes their own life, but you can bet that how people that love them feel about them is probably off the table.
Somebody out there said that, "Suicide doesn't kill the pain, it transfers it to those who love you."
Well... except maybe that guy that killed himself after being caught enslaving/raping 3 women. Could possibly be the only good thing he did in his miserable life.
Maybe this guy DM Brandon has had someone he really cared about commit suicide. That doesn't excuse his being a dick to the donor, but it is important to understand that there are victims in a suicide.
He's only wrong for doing this under the name of the company. What he is not wrong about is the selfishness that is suicide. It doesn't get rid of your problems, merely piles them onto those you love as you are a weak, selfish human being.
He's only wrong for doing this under the name of the company. What he is not wrong about is the selfishness that is suicide. It doesn't get rid of your problems, merely piles them onto those you love as you are a weak, selfish human being.
He is wrong to expressed personal thoughts so harshly in this concept. Meaning even a person on the street would be wrong too, to insult someone for feelings and experiences.
I will take those comments above directed at me if i'm so weak how did i survive living on the streets for 2 years when i was 14/16 i will not delve more into my past but i probably did more before i was 18 than any of you did.
So just carry on saying that it's people being weak yes they are weak at the time but it doesn't mean they are a weak person i can't explain it, it's something you have to go through.
I will take those comments above directed at me if i'm so weak how did i survive living on the streets for 2 years when i was 14/16 i will not delve more into my past but i probably did more before i was 18 than any of you did.
So just carry on saying that it's people being weak yes they are weak at the time but it doesn't mean they are a weak person i can't explain it, it's something you have to go through.
We all have our skeletons in the closet
For me it was being bullied in school to the point of seriously considering suicide.
The article says he was a streamer but the headline says he was a GM. Which is which?
He was more of a streamer but helped with community stuff like , helping teams find sponsors and run the twitch channel. He also casted some events but that was the extent of his work at Hi-rez from what i read and heard about.
He's only wrong for doing this under the name of the company. What he is not wrong about is the selfishness that is suicide. It doesn't get rid of your problems, merely piles them onto those you love as you are a weak, selfish human being.
He is wrong to expressed personal thoughts so harshly in this concept. Meaning even a person on the street would be wrong too, to insult someone for feelings and experiences.
In the end, we have no idea what this guy had gone through before attempting suicide. To just assume "they're weak" is... weak. to say they're selfish... if someone is committing suicide, they probably don't think anybody really does care, they don't think they'll be regarded as a loss. That's why they often get their affairs in order: funeral plans, debt, unloading their possessions, etc.. If they could just end their existence with a delete button, many of them would.
Yes, others do it for the drama, or to "get revenge", but that's far more rare than people think. Those people more often a case of someone causing themselves harm to get people's attention, aka the "cry for help". They plan to survive it. The donor may have been one of these, especially since they decided to declare it in a public chat.
DM_whatshisface's talk about "beating depression" is telling. I doubt he really had what's considered depression. He probably had what many people have: Bad stuff that happened and/or a level of dissatisfaction of their environmental situation. Depression is something entirely different.
I agree with bits of his argument, but it's hard to imagine a worse way to get his point across.
Well.. not much else I can say that hasn't already been said. I would have fired the guy immediately. You don't talk to people like that... he could have just ignored it -- not said anything -- moved on.
The premise of calling out an act of suicide as being "selfish" is.. for one circumstantial, and for two, irrelevant.
We all have issues. Suicide can relate to some issues more than others -- imbalances, medications, poor education, bleak environmental and emotional variables -- who are we to speak of anothers choices?
Sure, many of us can carry on with whatever mental conditions we have. Maybe the burden these conditions put on others may feel like hurting ones self is actually an act of selflessness than selfishness --
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating suicide, I'm playing the devils advocate. At any point.. people may have their reasons -- but the argument of selfishness is not the proper position to take.
Had he responded with - "I'm glad you could find solace in my stream, I would, however, prefer you find comfort in professional help." would have gone over much better without condoning or attacking anything.
Instead, like most online, gamer personas, it's more important to be a staunch asshat whenever a moment presents itself than do something positive. That's present day gaming for you I guess.
I will take those comments above directed at me if i'm so weak how did i survive living on the streets for 2 years when i was 14/16 i will not delve more into my past but i probably did more before i was 18 than any of you did.
So just carry on saying that it's people being weak yes they are weak at the time but it doesn't mean they are a weak person i can't explain it, it's something you have to go through.
We all have our skeletons in the closet
For me it was being bullied in school to the point of seriously considering suicide.
I met her when i was 15 so must of been 1995 or 1996 and i was on a train to london she was sat behind me and i noticed her and i was sat at a table with 4 chairs so she came and joined me.
We sat and chatted all the way to London at the time she was on a show called Band of Gold which had a character in it who had run away from home so it was nice to talk to her about it she even helped me with my bags when i got offf the train.
I don't mind sharing this story because it's a nice one.
He wasn't saying the guy was weak and that he should kill himself...
He's saying suicide and suicide attempts are selfish. He was trying to be hard on the guy so he doesn't do it again.
Not hope he goes through with it next time...
Here's the incident if you didn't watch it.
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For the record, many of mankind's greatest achievements were made by people with depression or who had overcome depression. If they had all offed themselves, we'd be much worse off. If you actually care about society, you shouldn't be so quick to write people off.
"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know." - Ernest Hemingway
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
He wasn't saying the guy was weak and that he should kill himself...
He's saying suicide and suicide attempts are selfish. He was trying to be hard on the guy so he doesn't do it again.
Not hope he goes through with it next time...
Here's the incident if you didn't watch it.
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It is all harrasment he did in the stream, he opened with personal harrasment, and closed it with personal harrasment.
This is typical experience I felt in SMITE from the negative community for like a half year. Always only how they experience things without accepting how other people experience things.
Suicide is not selfish at all, it is the very end to step away from anything that is consumeing you, and not everything you can run away from. I never had this feeling myself, but I will just accept it that there is people who experience this feeling.
Why personal? He said even he did not want to see or hear such messages, that he dont want anyone to receive that credit, but saying at the same time there is ways to get help what to me is giveing someone credit too. Why cant it been truely maybe him? This is all a personal explosion he did to someone that does not deserve this negative feeling. Because someone from a point in this experience, does not want to feel a failure or bad again about anything he did, in this situation even a donation.
Say what you want about me, but the streamer is all wrong to done this, even with the small ellaboration in the middle with his intention, closing it personal negative again is one total harrasment.
i always assumed part of his deal was to be a douch... not a right total douche but enough of a douch that he remains relevant. Had he been a soft spoken nice guy that made no real noise and never bumped in to anyone.. he would never had been hired to do what he does.
Towing that line between just far enough and to far is really difficult according to most comedians. So it is not hard to see how he from time to time went to far.
Now ofc in this case.... Thanks to social taboos and norms.... He got in to the "to far" car and just put the accelerator to the floor and took of like his life depended on it.
They had to part ways.... No two ways about it. There are some things you simply do not do. Was this really that bad... no... not really. It was a arsehat thing to do but It was the straw that broke the camels back. He started to cost more than he was worth.
I have failed at suicide once and I can share with you a few personal things I experienced.
People who say someone suicidal is committing a selfish act, are assuming that there must be some people ( family and friends) who will miss that person in question thus deeming the act itself, selfish.
What most don't realise is that sometimes the people who others are claiming to miss us (let's say family and friends) are exactly the ones aggravating the issues and leading to such extend that one thinks to take his own life.
So saying it is a selfish act is not fitting in all cases, perhaps none, because most of the times the suicidal person really does think that they are saving their family and friends, the problem or burden that they cast on their family and friends.
In my case it was a mixture of being unemployed, family and love life.
He's 100% correct. Suicide is cowardly and selfish, and it puts the loved ones you leave behind through hell on Earth. Contrary to what some seem to think, your life doesn't just belong to you.
That being said, there were a million different ways he could have made his views known without being a douchebag about it. He could have congratulated the guy for not giving in to his cowardice and thinking about what his death would do to the people around him, for example.
Even beyond that, you don't tell a donor, a customer, or potential customer to go fuck themselves. And you certainly don't call them assholes. If he were at the office, I'd have immediately had security chuck him out the door and just mailed him his personal effects. And I'd have left the camera running so everyone could see it happen.
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He wasn't saying the guy was weak and that he should kill himself...
He's saying suicide and suicide attempts are selfish. He was trying to be hard on the guy so he doesn't do it again.
Not hope he goes through with it next time...
Here's the incident if you didn't watch it.
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It is all harrasment he did in the stream, he opened with personal harrasment, and closed it with personal harrasment.
This is typical experience I felt in SMITE from the negative community for like a half year. Always only how they experience things without accepting how other people experience things.
Suicide is not selfish at all, it is the very end to step away from anything that is consumeing you, and not everything you can run away from. I never had this feeling myself, but I will just accept it that there is people who experience this feeling.
Why personal? He said even he did not want to see or hear such messages, that he dont want anyone to receive that credit, but saying at the same time there is ways to get help what to me is giveing someone credit too. Why cant it been truely maybe him? This is all a personal explosion he did to someone that does not deserve this negative feeling. Because someone from a point in this experience, does not want to feel a failure or bad again about anything he did, in this situation even a donation.
Say what you want about me, but the streamer is all wrong to done this, even with the small ellaboration in the middle with his intention, closing it personal negative again is one total harrasment.
He doesn't want to take the credit for getting him through his suicidal period because he wants the donor to realize that it was his own strength that got him through it.
I don't see how you interpret the end to be harassment. Is it because he cursed?
"You're stronger than you think you are. Stop giving that credit to other fucking people."
That's not meant to be insulting. It's meant to be empowering.
I get that his delivery is abrasive. First of all, he's an abrasive guy. But secondly he's doing it here on purpose because he wants to alert the donor to his message. He wants the donor to realize that he's strong.
Ultimately it's a caring message. He knows that the only way someone can get through depression or especially deep suicidal depression is through personal strength. He's trying to help the donor find that strength.
That was the idea anyway. It was by no means a perfect speech- He was playing SMITE AND reading the chat while he was making it, and obviously he's heavily emotionally invested in the subject, so overall he was pretty distracted while talking.
Due to the nature of stigma surrounding this topic, it was difficult for me to relay the following opinion. I stared at this post for quite awhile after I finished typing it (I deleted it once, restarted, wrote it again), knowing well enough that there would be people reading it who wouldn't understand, and wouldn't want to understand. Ultimately, it's something I think about very frequently, every day, and it deserves to be said, even if it's simply an act of catharsis:
DM Brandon's argument is widely adopted, and as someone who deals with this shit on a daily basis, it's entirely ridiculous to assume that the individuals being selfish in this scenario are the people with mental health issues and a desire to die. What's selfish is expecting these people to stick around so your loved ones can have their trophy son, or their trophy friend, or whatever else the fuck you want to call it, rather than the people needlessly keeping someone around who legitimately doesn't want to live anymore (sometimes due to extreme physical pain, or emotional torment, or psychological disorders, sometimes brought on by the very same family or friends) solely so you don't have to deal with the fallout. Sometimes you have to let people go. It's shitty, and a real burden, but life isn't a gift for everyone, and it isn't as sacred as some of us would like to believe.
That being said, I think people need to get help if they feel this way. I've tried for years and none of the solutions offered by therapists or psychiatrists ever alleviated the suffering, but that doesn't apply to everyone (I've always felt less depressed and suicidal when I -wasn't- seeing doctors and therapists to fix the problem). If someone presents a path that solves similar issues, you should at least attempt to take it. It may work for you.
What I'm saying here could probably be viewed as controversial to many people, but I have real experience with this as a survivor, not to my inclination, of several suicide attempts. You're more than welcome to feel differently.
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However, I am under the belief that a company and a person are 2 separate things. So I would like to think that I would hire anyone, regardless of their personal views as long as they can do their job well and as long as their not doing anything to hurt the company WHILE WORKING.
I don't subscribe to outrage culture, the rest of society does, so that can surely be an issue for me.
To me it sounds like the Streamer has dealt with thoughts of suicide himself. More than likely he has been in the same shoes as the donator. What he said was perhaps not as tactful as it should have been, but perhaps he was having a bad day? Suicide is an idea that crosses most if not all people's minds at some time in their life. People tend to think in extremes.
Suicide is most certainly selfish, but your life is your own, so it is quite natural for you to be selfish with how you handle it. However, what the streamer said was right, if there is anyone in your life that loves you and/or relies on you, suicide is incredibly selfish. I've seen the after-effects first hand. I have also thought extensively about taking my own life for most of my adult life, but I have my wife and kids that keep me grounded. Unfortunately not everyone has those lifelines, which is perhaps the Streamer's shortcoming to his viewpoint: he doesn't know the individual's life circumstances.
Source: I work in a hospital for the mentally ill.
To help you guys understand depression, imagine your darkest day. A day where you really struggled to get out of bed. Maybe a friend or family member died, or maybe you and your partner just ended things. Just imagine that day and turn it into 3 months worth of this same exact feeling. Now, remove the situation that caused those feelings from those 3 months, because people with depression have depression for no reason. They feel depressed even on what seems like a perfect day. Now, take all emotions out of those 3 months. This is what depression looks like. It is not feeling sad or "not feeling happy", rather it is an inability to feel anything at all. It is incredibly numbing, and when you finally reach a point where you feel like your life means nothing and you will never feel anything again, you take your life.
Now, there IS treatment and medication, but they don't always work. This is because the medical practice is so underfunded and there is not enough research going into the field.
To those that have fought depression and are currently in remission: Please continue fighting. One day, those feelings will creep back in, but do not be discouraged. Seek help again. You are a survivor.
He's notoriously hotheaded- that's part of why he became popular. He claims to have "conquered depression", which I'm not even sure is possible, just by basically waking up one day and deciding he wasn't depressed anymore lol. I'm not sure he realizes that day probably coincided with him making good money off streaming SMITE and becoming E-famous.
Anyway, his reaction to the guy surely comes from his own difficulties with depression. People shouldn't assume he's just an asshole. Don't get me wrong- he IS an asshole, but I don't think that's why he reacted the way he did.
All in all it's probably for the best. Most of his schtick is being a jerk, and he can't really be a jerk and be a face for HiRez at the same time. He can go back to BMing everyone in game for 5 minutes straight because they didn't split xp on a mid camp correctly, and HiRez can go back to not having a total loose cannon causing PR problems.
But like I said, it really sucks he won't be casting anymore. I wish he could still cast and not work for them.
Face it, if something in SMITE would happened like it, any professional human reviewer would say the same.
Lets elaborate it, the donation is a charity, in the charity someone explained those videos helped him and for that reason they made the decision to donate.
In any circumstance no matter the personal perspective, there is no way you can insult such note in this indirect presentation (a donation note)
Even if it where to be in a chatbox, the person is writeing to and about the video, no one else.
I understand its always tempting to respond, but I have to be fair here.
The person who wrote the comment is the one I would defend.
My experience with HI-REZ since they write about how they care for mental issues, made me laugh.
I around a half year ago received so many negative reports from players against me for playing bad, the negative and repetitive spiral I had to endure and experience made me to confront my feelings to HI-REZ in a ticket.
The awnser I received was that if any reports become structual I was to be expected to receive some punishment.
I have an eye handicap, and more handicaps, no other game I ever played would punish someone for the gameplay performance.
I created more and more tickets, expressing the feeling that grown bigger and bigger, because I was really feeling threatened for things I cannot guarrenteed to perform with my eye handicap, and I loved to play SMITE.
What I did was forward all parts in their old Terms of Use, and did not received any response for half year to any of my feelings all the tickets remained updated status.
A short time ago I decided to write a new ticket after the Terms of Use was changed, it felt way more fair, and all the old threatening feelings it had given me was no more to be found.
This time I did received the reassureing feeling that HI-REZ cared about me and my feelings and wanted me to have this safe feeling I am haveing now.
Still it feel sad that even in this video and article, I am getting abit the distrust and negative feelings again if this is how they judge things.
Atleast after a half year sitting with painful unfair threated feeling, I do play the SMITE game again with more joy then before.
Hi-Rez comes out looking golden through this, imo, especially with that charitable donation. However, it certainly doesn't make me want to play League, whose community is already somewhat notorious.
In an online game once, there was a group (of kids, I assume) fantasizing about swallowing bleach in general chat. All I said was "please don't".
I have no judgement on those who choose to commit suicide, and I've been to some pretty dark places in life myself. However, what I've seen premature familial deaths do to the family afterward is one of the strongest evidences to me that suicide is not the answer.
God bless all those that lived through it and are here to tell the tale; may your recovery be strong and prosperous.
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I have an extreme case of Bipolar Disorder, numorous phobias, I have extreme OCD, and deal with roommates that make fun of me on a daily basis...I agree with this streamer in the fact that its the most selfish thing you can do. Most religions believe it to be the ultimate sin. Did he handle it wrong at first, absolutely. However he did go more in depth later about it, and I agree with his statements...his stream didn't get that guy thru it, that guy got himself thru it. I hope that listener hears that too. The human mind no matter how many mental health issues a person has is incredibly powerful. I manage my problems thru will power...I tell myself to overcome them and do. So I give that streamer props.
To that listener...you are a person, there are people who care about you, and will listen to you. Overcome, you are a powerful individual, and I promise you that you will manage thru it, and come out stronger...but like I said, tell yourself, suicide is never the answer.
Somebody out there said that, "Suicide doesn't kill the pain, it transfers it to those who love you."
Well... except maybe that guy that killed himself after being caught enslaving/raping 3 women. Could possibly be the only good thing he did in his miserable life.
Maybe this guy DM Brandon has had someone he really cared about commit suicide. That doesn't excuse his being a dick to the donor, but it is important to understand that there are victims in a suicide.
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Meaning even a person on the street would be wrong too, to insult someone for feelings and experiences.
So just carry on saying that it's people being weak yes they are weak at the time but it doesn't mean they are a weak person i can't explain it, it's something you have to go through.
For me it was being bullied in school to the point of seriously considering suicide.
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He was more of a streamer but helped with community stuff like , helping teams find sponsors and run the twitch channel. He also casted some events but that was the extent of his work at Hi-rez from what i read and heard about.
Yes, others do it for the drama, or to "get revenge", but that's far more rare than people think. Those people more often a case of someone causing themselves harm to get people's attention, aka the "cry for help". They plan to survive it. The donor may have been one of these, especially since they decided to declare it in a public chat.
DM_whatshisface's talk about "beating depression" is telling. I doubt he really had what's considered depression. He probably had what many people have: Bad stuff that happened and/or a level of dissatisfaction of their environmental situation. Depression is something entirely different.
I agree with bits of his argument, but it's hard to imagine a worse way to get his point across.
The premise of calling out an act of suicide as being "selfish" is.. for one circumstantial, and for two, irrelevant.
We all have issues. Suicide can relate to some issues more than others -- imbalances, medications, poor education, bleak environmental and emotional variables -- who are we to speak of anothers choices?
Sure, many of us can carry on with whatever mental conditions we have. Maybe the burden these conditions put on others may feel like hurting ones self is actually an act of selflessness than selfishness --
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating suicide, I'm playing the devils advocate. At any point.. people may have their reasons -- but the argument of selfishness is not the proper position to take.
Had he responded with - "I'm glad you could find solace in my stream, I would, however, prefer you find comfort in professional help." would have gone over much better without condoning or attacking anything.
Instead, like most online, gamer personas, it's more important to be a staunch asshat whenever a moment presents itself than do something positive. That's present day gaming for you I guess.
I met her when i was 15 so must of been 1995 or 1996 and i was on a train to london she was sat behind me and i noticed her and i was sat at a table with 4 chairs so she came and joined me.
We sat and chatted all the way to London at the time she was on a show called Band of Gold which had a character in it who had run away from home so it was nice to talk to her about it she even helped me with my bags when i got offf the train.
I don't mind sharing this story because it's a nice one.
He's saying suicide and suicide attempts are selfish. He was trying to be hard on the guy so he doesn't do it again.
Not hope he goes through with it next time...
Here's the incident if you didn't watch it.
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For the record, many of mankind's greatest achievements were made by people with depression or who had overcome depression. If they had all offed themselves, we'd be much worse off. If you actually care about society, you shouldn't be so quick to write people off.
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But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Towing that line between just far enough and to far is really difficult according to most comedians. So it is not hard to see how he from time to time went to far.
Now ofc in this case.... Thanks to social taboos and norms.... He got in to the "to far" car and just put the accelerator to the floor and took of like his life depended on it.
They had to part ways.... No two ways about it. There are some things you simply do not do. Was this really that bad... no... not really. It was a arsehat thing to do but It was the straw that broke the camels back. He started to cost more than he was worth.
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People who say someone suicidal is committing a selfish act, are assuming that there must be some people ( family and friends) who will miss that person in question thus deeming the act itself, selfish.
What most don't realise is that sometimes the people who others are claiming to miss us (let's say family and friends) are exactly the ones aggravating the issues and leading to such extend that one thinks to take his own life.
So saying it is a selfish act is not fitting in all cases, perhaps none, because most of the times the suicidal person really does think that they are saving their family and friends, the problem or burden that they cast on their family and friends.
In my case it was a mixture of being unemployed, family and love life.
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That being said, there were a million different ways he could have made his views known without being a douchebag about it. He could have congratulated the guy for not giving in to his cowardice and thinking about what his death would do to the people around him, for example.
Even beyond that, you don't tell a donor, a customer, or potential customer to go fuck themselves. And you certainly don't call them assholes. If he were at the office, I'd have immediately had security chuck him out the door and just mailed him his personal effects. And I'd have left the camera running so everyone could see it happen.
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I don't see how you interpret the end to be harassment. Is it because he cursed?
"You're stronger than you think you are. Stop giving that credit to other fucking people."
That's not meant to be insulting. It's meant to be empowering.
I get that his delivery is abrasive. First of all, he's an abrasive guy. But secondly he's doing it here on purpose because he wants to alert the donor to his message. He wants the donor to realize that he's strong.
Ultimately it's a caring message. He knows that the only way someone can get through depression or especially deep suicidal depression is through personal strength. He's trying to help the donor find that strength.
That was the idea anyway. It was by no means a perfect speech- He was playing SMITE AND reading the chat while he was making it, and obviously he's heavily emotionally invested in the subject, so overall he was pretty distracted while talking.
DM Brandon's argument is widely adopted, and as someone who deals with this shit on a daily basis, it's entirely ridiculous to assume that the individuals being selfish in this scenario are the people with mental health issues and a desire to die. What's selfish is expecting these people to stick around so your loved ones can have their trophy son, or their trophy friend, or whatever else the fuck you want to call it, rather than the people needlessly keeping someone around who legitimately doesn't want to live anymore (sometimes due to extreme physical pain, or emotional torment, or psychological disorders, sometimes brought on by the very same family or friends) solely so you don't have to deal with the fallout. Sometimes you have to let people go. It's shitty, and a real burden, but life isn't a gift for everyone, and it isn't as sacred as some of us would like to believe.
That being said, I think people need to get help if they feel this way. I've tried for years and none of the solutions offered by therapists or psychiatrists ever alleviated the suffering, but that doesn't apply to everyone (I've always felt less depressed and suicidal when I -wasn't- seeing doctors and therapists to fix the problem). If someone presents a path that solves similar issues, you should at least attempt to take it. It may work for you.
What I'm saying here could probably be viewed as controversial to many people, but I have real experience with this as a survivor, not to my inclination, of several suicide attempts. You're more than welcome to feel differently.
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