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Bounty on Hackers (It's an event)

Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
in Black Desert Online
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/78697-hacker-hunting-initiative/
BDO is having an event where you help them find hackers and get rewarded for it.
Interesting. 
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Oh dear....

    /facepalm
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Its not a bad idea, and as BDO is not a F2P game, hackers that are found lose their accounts and have to buy the game again, assuming of course that their CC's aren't also blacklisted.
    But it is a short term measure that probably won't be that effective, they really need to find some way of automating the detection and elimination of hackers, leaving it to the players to deal with, well, i would be surprised if that wasn't also open to abuse.
  • rapatpamprapatpamp Member UncommonPosts: 144
    Incoming loads of non-hackers being reported.
  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    I think it's a good idea.  It gives the sense that Daum is listening to the community.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Laughing-man said:
    I think it's a good idea.  It gives the sense that Daum is listening to the community.

    It is an empty gesture. From there you only have 2 options:

    1) They are making fools of their customers.
    2) They are fools themselves.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Great idea.  They should have civilian enforcement.  Use screeny capture to seal their fate.  :)  

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • blastermasterblastermaster Member UncommonPosts: 259
    Gdemami said:
    I think it's a good idea.  It gives the sense that Daum is listening to the community.

    It is an empty gesture. From there you only have 2 options:

    1) They are making fools of their customers.
    2) They are fools themselves.
    Could you explain what Daum could do though?

    They can't fix the game (only PA can), so what could they do more on their end to try to make things better?



  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    Well at least they have a sense of humor about their game turning into a hacker paradise. 
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    blastermaster said:
    Could you explain what Daum could do though?

    They can't fix the game (only PA can), so what could they do more on their end to try to make things better
    Obviously, only Daum can tell what they could do.

    However I can say what I would do. I would post some educative letter about the issue - why, how and what are the options for fix.

    But that is just me...
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    What this part is doing is just raising the public profile to get more people looking and reporting hackers.

    Also there are more interesting tidbits beside the community reporting rewards:

    "We also want to assure you this is not the only action we are taking to block such activity, we are working with the Developers to improve game security as well as Xigncode to improve our automated detection system."

    And further down the thread in answers to questions:

    Length of ban?

    "The bans are permanent."

    Preventing hackers from making new accounts by using IP bans?
      
    "Not going to give specifics, but we utilize more than IPs."



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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Jean-Luc_Picard said:
    Iselin said:

     
    "Not going to give specifics, but we utilize more than IPs."

    Credit Card bans, Paypal account bans, etc...
    Yeah. I was also thinking HW IDs. I mean Xigncode has got to be doing something, doesn't it? :)
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  • LIOKILIOKI Member UncommonPosts: 421
    this has got to be the most toxic community. A mmorpg forum full of people who constantly slander anything that has to do with mmorpgs.
    A game publisher is reaching out and asking the player base to help fight hackers/cheaters and people bash them for it. If they turned a blind eye you would bash them for it. If they implemented the most fail-safe, undeniable way to stop hackers you would bash them for it. most of the posters here are their own worst enemy's. Laughable.
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    LIOKI said:
    this has got to be the most toxic community. 
    No, the ArcheAge community definitely holds that title by a wide margin.
  • blastermasterblastermaster Member UncommonPosts: 259
    Gdemami said:
    blastermaster said:
    Could you explain what Daum could do though?

    They can't fix the game (only PA can), so what could they do more on their end to try to make things better
    Obviously, only Daum can tell what they could do.

    However I can say what I would do. I would post some educative letter about the issue - why, how and what are the options for fix.

    But that is just me...
    Fair enough, but that's basically what happened when this issue came out no?

    They confirmed the why (client side info), and that they were aware of it and looking into ways to prevent this from happening (PR 101.. I know.. but still).. not much more to do than that at this point, especially knowing they don't have anything to do with the actual game development per say.

    Now they are doing something to help with the issue a little, while providing what they're doing to people who get caught (they really need to post the account/family names of those that are supposed to be banned though..).. you seem to be of bad faith when it comes to anything related to BDO.




  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    edited April 2016
    Daum again is just showing how its supposed to be done.

    Take notes.  :)
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Yeah, got abused a bit when the report thing first came out for AA
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    This is a commendable first step effort.  Its effectiveness is questionable but its a worthwhile good faith effort worth keeping an eye on. BDO is a great game.  It would be a tragic waste to see it falter and have this beautiful baby thrown out with the bath water. Here's hoping for the best.
  • GrimulaGrimula Member UncommonPosts: 644

    If you can walk 3 Miles Holding this Red Hot Piece of steel and have no blood or blisters on your hands

    Maybe you are Not a Witch !!


    LET THE WITCH HUNT COMMENCE !!! hahah


    seems a bit funny Must suck being one of the people who paid for this video game

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    I would assume that the technical design of the game is the same in all regions.

    That would imply that these client-side exploits have been part of the game since release in Korea in 2014. They are definitely in the Russian version that went live in 2015.
    They are obviously in the NA/EU version that has just gone live.

    PA must have been aware of the vulnerabilities, it is their intentional design after all. They've certainly been made painfully aware of the problems since the Russian launch last year.

    Yet they've done nothing so far.

    Will this current flap be enough to finally motivate them ? Or will "Hunt the Hacker" become a permanent player event in BDO ?
  • GrimulaGrimula Member UncommonPosts: 644

    Anyone else Reminded of the Salem Witch Trials ?


    hahah

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327

    I don't understand this rampant "witch hunt" paranoia.  If you are not a hack or a cheat, you have nothing to worry about.  It's not like they are just asking for names without verifiable proof.  In order for any of these reports to be taken seriously, and for any player to get banned, there needs to be ample and convincing evidence in the form of a video.  In addition, any player who submits a false report is subject to the same degree of penalization as that of the player they are attempting to file a false report against.  

    A good analogy to a "witch hunt" accusation, any person accusing any other person of being a witch would have needed to provide verifiable video proof of that witch performing witch craft, along with the requirement that anyone found to have falsely accused another of being a witch, would instead themselves be burned at the stake.  Doubt the word "witch hunt" would even exist today if that had been the case.  
  • yucklawyersyucklawyers Member UncommonPosts: 240
    LIOKI said:
    this has got to be the most toxic community. A mmorpg forum full of people who constantly slander anything that has to do with mmorpgs.
    A game publisher is reaching out and asking the player base to help fight hackers/cheaters and people bash them for it. If they turned a blind eye you would bash them for it. If they implemented the most fail-safe, undeniable way to stop hackers you would bash them for it. most of the posters here are their own worst enemy's. Laughable.
    This is actually quite a funny post.
    True, posters have bashed this idea by Daum. Ideally we should wait to see if it works..... or not.
    You on the other hand have bashed the posters. Ideally you should wait to see if they are right...... or wrong.

    Pot, kettle, black much?
  • MyNameIsVMyNameIsV Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Gdemami said:
    Oh dear....

    /facepalm
    Wow how sad, this just proves they have no metrics or ways of tracking down hackers OTHER than them being reported. Oh joy.
  • DeltoisDeltois Member UncommonPosts: 384
    Yep , stupid idea.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    blastermaster said:
    Fair enough, but that's basically what happened when this issue came out no?

    They confirmed the why (client side info), and that they were aware of it and looking into ways to prevent this from happening (PR 101.. I know.. but still).. not much more to do than that at this point, especially knowing they don't have anything to do with the actual game development per say.

    Now they are doing something to help with the issue a little, while providing what they're doing to people who get caught (they really need to post the account/family names of those that are supposed to be banned though..).. you seem to be of bad faith when it comes to anything related to BDO
    Not even close to type of information I had on mind - ie. more technical details and coherent article than just vague announcements and snippets from community manager.

    Again, what they can do or not is still up to Daum, you do not know the ties there are.

    Regardless, what is very likely to happen is that proper fix - re-writing good deal of the game, is going to be qualified as cost ineffeficient and they will seek alternative ways to deal with the issue. Needless to say how unlikely efffective this will be.

    But who knows...


     I am not "of bad faith", I am just realistic.
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