Windows 10 has too many forced behaviour. I use my current windows pc mainly for gaming. The last thing I want is forced driver updates. I want to be in control of my own computer, Microsoft tends to shit on that. So atm I keep Windows 8.1
I think the chance is higher that my next gaming pc will be just linux. With every new purchase I keep track if it can be run on linux (if not native, then using Wine).
controlling the OS updates is a big deal for large companies and MS knows this
No he is right. WIndows 10 does forced updates. You cant turn them off, only set a time to reboot. If you are not at the screen to tell it when you want to reboot, Windows 10 will reboot on its own, even if you have set your PC to a task. It made a mess of a backup I was doing of my movie collection and it took me a few days to fix it.
MS has moved to forced updates because its biggest failing was security. People would not install the updates and then people who get upset when their PCs were compromised. Blaming MS when it was user problems more often than not.
My biggest problem with the forced updates is my video card driver. For one of my games I need to use the beta drivers to make things run. Every fews days, I come to my PC and its rebooted and the wrong drivers are installed for my video card. I am reinstalling the drivers I want about 1-2 times a week. I know there are tools you can download to fix this but often I am lazy and would rather just install the right drivers while I have supper and get playing after dinner. lol.
Why don't you just disable driver updates it's very easy? I didn't have even one problem so far with win 10 everything is better then it was before but then i never leave my windows installations in the default state i disable everything i don't need and tweak the rest to my liking uninstall the default apps and use my preferred programs instead and so on i don't have cortana or any of the bloat/spyware crap running and the OS is flawless without them.
Windows 10 has too many forced behaviour. I use my current windows pc mainly for gaming. The last thing I want is forced driver updates. I want to be in control of my own computer, Microsoft tends to shit on that. So atm I keep Windows 8.1
I think the chance is higher that my next gaming pc will be just linux. With every new purchase I keep track if it can be run on linux (if not native, then using Wine).
controlling the OS updates is a big deal for large companies and MS knows this
Yeah, but if you want to do this in some OEM version (9 out of 10 gamers) then you have to hack your OS (fyi hacking means adapting something for unintended purpose, in this case changing settings that you are not supposed to as customer in a home version). So most gamers who dont know shit about their pc get to reinstall drivers all the time.
And then some windows update puts certain default settings back. Every so many updates this happens, also regarding any changes for your privacy. Not to mention how bloated that OS is. Main reason why I don't even consider Windows server for my server.
Then there is the ridiculously slow updating compared to other OS's. And its not even updating other software like in linux. Still it can be so silly slow, no matter what your connection is.
Windows is just bloated shit and I welcome the better support (thanks for SteamOS and all the indie developers that want cover more OS's) for gaming under linux. Only games made me use Windows in a dual boot for the last years. You really dont want gaming to be locked in with one OS made by a multinational who doesnt give a shit about what you want.
I installed it in a virtual machine and after some heavy tweaking it's not sooo bad -but still not good enough to replace my trusty ole W7. I mainly wanted to check out various tools that are supposed to shut down the spying and homecalling functions, but i keep reading here and there that no matter how many antispy measures you run, you just can't stop the OS from collecting and uploading stuff.
Windows 10 has too many forced behaviour. I use my current windows pc mainly for gaming. The last thing I want is forced driver updates. I want to be in control of my own computer, Microsoft tends to shit on that. So atm I keep Windows 8.1
I think the chance is higher that my next gaming pc will be just linux. With every new purchase I keep track if it can be run on linux (if not native, then using Wine).
controlling the OS updates is a big deal for large companies and MS knows this
Yeah, but if you want to do this in some OEM version (9 out of 10 gamers) then you have to hack your OS (fyi hacking means adapting something for unintended purpose, in this case changing settings that you are not supposed to as customer in a home version). So most gamers who dont know shit about their pc get to reinstall drivers all the time.
And then some windows update puts certain default settings back. Every so many updates this happens, also regarding any changes for your privacy. Not to mention how bloated that OS is. Main reason why I don't even consider Windows server for my server.
Then there is the ridiculously slow updating compared to other OS's. And its not even updating other software like in linux. Still it can be so silly slow, no matter what your connection is.
Windows is just bloated shit and I welcome the better support (thanks for SteamOS and all the indie developers that want cover more OS's) for gaming under linux. Only games made me use Windows in a dual boot for the last years. You really dont want gaming to be locked in with one OS made by a multinational who doesnt give a shit about what you want.
In Linux the distro decides what updates you get and you can't control it. The distro controls your configurations. The FSF makes everything you create licensed under the GPL. Plus they share your data with Russia and China. On top of that they use your network connection for illegal torrenting. Never install Linux unless you want to be part of a DDoS botnet.
That's what your ridiculous Windows comments sound like to someone that actually knows what they're talking about.
Just be honest and say, "I'm a linux user and love it. I understand and know how to use it, but I don't know shit about Windows."
Hmm, idk about all of this.
Yes, the specific distros for Linux have a good deal of control. But with few exceptions, you aren't locked into a distribution's updates. You can add or change the repositories that software installations and updates come from. In many cases, you can go insofar as obtaining the source code to compile your own binaries if you wish.
Sharing data that is collected via normal use - sure, some Distros may collect some of that (Android & ChromeOS far and away being the worst of the bunch), but most do not. And that's entirely different than GPL licensing, which deals with computer code, not data collection. You can choose how you distribute your original code, but if you re-use someone else's code (either in part or whole), you have to follow and obey their license.
As far as Linux being synonymous with DDoS Botnets, I'm pretty sure that's false as well. Sure, any computer that's online is vulnerable. But there are a lot of Linux computers running out there that are not part of any botnet, and most distributions are pretty secure out of the box.
Windows 10 has too many forced behaviour. I use my current windows pc mainly for gaming. The last thing I want is forced driver updates. I want to be in control of my own computer, Microsoft tends to shit on that. So atm I keep Windows 8.1
I think the chance is higher that my next gaming pc will be just linux. With every new purchase I keep track if it can be run on linux (if not native, then using Wine).
controlling the OS updates is a big deal for large companies and MS knows this
Yeah, but if you want to do this in some OEM version (9 out of 10 gamers) then you have to hack your OS (fyi hacking means adapting something for unintended purpose, in this case changing settings that you are not supposed to as customer in a home version). So most gamers who dont know shit about their pc get to reinstall drivers all the time.
And then some windows update puts certain default settings back. Every so many updates this happens, also regarding any changes for your privacy. Not to mention how bloated that OS is. Main reason why I don't even consider Windows server for my server.
Then there is the ridiculously slow updating compared to other OS's. And its not even updating other software like in linux. Still it can be so silly slow, no matter what your connection is.
Windows is just bloated shit and I welcome the better support (thanks for SteamOS and all the indie developers that want cover more OS's) for gaming under linux. Only games made me use Windows in a dual boot for the last years. You really dont want gaming to be locked in with one OS made by a multinational who doesnt give a shit about what you want.
In Linux the distro decides what updates you get and you can't control it. The distro controls your configurations. The FSF makes everything you create licensed under the GPL. Plus they share your data with Russia and China. On top of that they use your network connection for illegal torrenting. Never install Linux unless you want to be part of a DDoS botnet.
That's what your ridiculous Windows comments sound like to someone that actually knows what they're talking about.
Just be honest and say, "I'm a linux user and love it. I understand and know how to use it, but I don't know shit about Windows."
That makes no sense at all. You can change everything in any linux distro. Total control. You can strip a default installation all the way down to the kernel. You can even compile your own kernel. You can chose whatever repository to update your software. Or not at all. Linux gives you complete control over your operating system.
As for Microsoft : Yeah, I asked Microsoft for the 24/7 nagging about updating to windows 10 on my windows 8.1 system. Yeah, i asked to get an unique advertising id for my system. Yeah, i asked for ridiculously slow updates. Yeah, I asked Microsoft to unhide and check windows 10 update again without notifying me, after I specifically hid the update.
guys u know that u can disable autoupdate in w10 i tried it and it realy works, and u then can manualy update later. ive still got the batch file to prove it
300M isn't a lot tbh....and honestly, with what microsoft is trying to do with windows 10 in the future, I'll pass.
It's 300M DEVICES. That includes XBOX1, Windows Phone & Surface tablets. My guess is that the actual amount of PCs installed with Windows 10 is not even half the number mentioned...
Do you really believe that Microsoft is suddenly going to go from trying to force people to upgrade so hard that they're being a complete nuisance to suddenly not letting people upgrade unless they pay? I don't.
Exactly.
Every two days I am getting a popup with two options: Upgrade Now or Upgrade Later.
Not even close button or something. I need to close the window by alt F4
If that is not most aggresive way to push something by force, i dont know what is.
So now they will go from that to "Ok we didnt manage to trick you to upgrade for free, now we are going to see if you will upgrade by yourself for money"
Unsintall update KB3035583 and that GWX.EXE won't be loaded anymore at all, removing that o-so annoying pop-up as well
300M isn't a lot tbh....and honestly, with what microsoft is trying to do with windows 10 in the future, I'll pass.
It's 300M DEVICES. That includes XBOX1, Windows Phone & Surface tablets. My guess is that the actual amount of PCs installed with Windows 10 is not even half the number mentioned...
Watches run Windows 10 now - gosh didn't know they had gotten that powerful!
That aside you are right about it being devices but the growth trajectory has been very strong: 67M PCs last July; 110M devices last October; 200M devices at the start of the year; 300M since it was rolled out - a market share of 14.35%. And given that we have some idea about XB1 sales and Surface sales (probably not that huge) are basically laptops most of the 300M instals will be on PCs.
However growth has slowed. Maybe why Microsoft confirmed last week that they are ending the free upgrades - or maybe it was PC sellers who persuaded them (some seem to see Win10 as one of the reasons new PCs have been slow.) Will the offer return - shrug.
300M isn't a lot tbh....and honestly, with what microsoft is trying to do with windows 10 in the future, I'll pass.
It's 300M DEVICES. That includes XBOX1, Windows Phone & Surface tablets. My guess is that the actual amount of PCs installed with Windows 10 is not even half the number mentioned...
Watches run Windows 10 now - gosh didn't know they had gotten that powerful!
That aside you are right about it being devices but the growth trajectory has been very strong: 67M PCs last July; 110M devices last October; 200M devices at the start of the year; 300M since it was rolled out - a market share of 14.35%. And given that we have some idea about XB1 sales and Surface sales (probably not that huge) are basically laptops most of the 300M instals will be on PCs.
However growth has slowed. Maybe why Microsoft confirmed last week that they are ending the free upgrades - or maybe it was PC sellers who persuaded them (some seem to see Win10 as one of the reasons new PCs have been slow.) Will the offer return - shrug.
No - the offer was only up for a year. It was to get people to upgrade so they wouldn't have to support all the old OS's, except for paid clients. I mean, supporting older OS's is a drain on income. Apple doesn't do it and neither does Google, why should MS be held to a different standard? I think they all should support older OS's up to 10 yrs old, after that, you are on your own.
However growth has slowed. Maybe why Microsoft confirmed last week that they are ending the free upgrades - or maybe it was PC sellers who persuaded them (some seem to see Win10 as one of the reasons new PCs have been slow.) Will the offer return - shrug.
They confirmed what they had said form day one that free upgrades would be for the first year only.
So they are simply doing what they said form the start they would do. Noone made them do it.
I have no sympathy for people who do not update but whine that MS is not supporting their obsolete version of Windows. They have had every chance to upgrade, failing to do so is just stupid, unless your hardware is uncapable of running Win 10, in that case I can understand a bit of frustration, but I cant blame MS for not supporting hardware indefenately.
Until they force me to upgrade, I'll stick to Win 7.
I may get Win 10 when it's time to build my new PC, in maybe 3-5 years. By then Win 10 should have it's flaws and annoyances figured out.
Exactly. By the time I'll have to upgrade, my PC will be outdated anyway.
My PC was built before Win 7 and it is still not outdated. Also, remember when extended support stops (that means bug fixes, etc.). Like Win XP Pro, after a while, you are on your own and that is dangerous.
Win 10 was the best update I have done and had no issues with at all. If people have issues, they need to look at: hardware (are their drivers for it - not MS' fault), the programs used, underlying issues (power supply, etc.).
I'll trust Microsoft as long as they keep their Games for Window Live service going.
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Until they force me to upgrade, I'll stick to Win 7.
I may get Win 10 when it's time to build my new PC, in maybe 3-5 years. By then Win 10 should have it's flaws and annoyances figured out.
Exactly. By the time I'll have to upgrade, my PC will be outdated anyway.
My PC was built before Win 7 and it is still not outdated. Also, remember when extended support stops (that means bug fixes, etc.). Like Win XP Pro, after a while, you are on your own and that is dangerous.
Win 10 was the best update I have done and had no issues with at all. If people have issues, they need to look at: hardware (are their drivers for it - not MS' fault), the programs used, underlying issues (power supply, etc.).
Kind of hard to take that seriously tbh, there has yet to be a version of Windows that didn't need 3rd party programs to support its integrity, windows firewall has never been sufficient, and in Win10 it still isn't. So there aren't going to be any more bug fixes for Win 7, or Win 8 even, at least for Win 7 the OS is that stable now that flaws in the OS are 'mostly' dealt with, in that sense Win7 is better than Win10 because Win10 flaws are still more numerous and require more bugfixes than Win7 does, and as long as you have a good firewall and antivirus programs protecting it, and antimalware for that matter, because, windows defender is something of a joke that nobodies laughing at, then you are probably more than adequately protected anyway. The only issue will be whether or not developers will be still supporting those operating systems, and frankly, as long as those operating systems have the majority of the market share, that will be the case. In 3 years time, there is absolutely no guarantee that Win10 will even still be the most up to date OS anyway, regardless of whatever propaganda that MS is putting out as regards to Win10.
But, have to laugh, the whole, its not MS' fault comment was absolutely hillarious.
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Until they force me to upgrade, I'll stick to Win 7.
I may get Win 10 when it's time to build my new PC, in maybe 3-5 years. By then Win 10 should have it's flaws and annoyances figured out.
Exactly. By the time I'll have to upgrade, my PC will be outdated anyway.
My PC was built before Win 7 and it is still not outdated. Also, remember when extended support stops (that means bug fixes, etc.). Like Win XP Pro, after a while, you are on your own and that is dangerous.
Win 10 was the best update I have done and had no issues with at all. If people have issues, they need to look at: hardware (are their drivers for it - not MS' fault), the programs used, underlying issues (power supply, etc.).
well I guarantee the problem isnt going to be power supply LOL
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I didn't have even one problem so far with win 10 everything is better then it was before but then i never leave my windows installations in the default state i disable everything i don't need and tweak the rest to my liking uninstall the default apps and use my preferred programs instead and so on i don't have cortana or any of the bloat/spyware crap running and the OS is flawless without them.
And then some windows update puts certain default settings back. Every so many updates this happens, also regarding any changes for your privacy. Not to mention how bloated that OS is. Main reason why I don't even consider Windows server for my server.
Then there is the ridiculously slow updating compared to other OS's. And its not even updating other software like in linux. Still it can be so silly slow, no matter what your connection is.
Windows is just bloated shit and I welcome the better support (thanks for SteamOS and all the indie developers that want cover more OS's) for gaming under linux. Only games made me use Windows in a dual boot for the last years. You really dont want gaming to be locked in with one OS made by a multinational who doesnt give a shit about what you want.
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I mainly wanted to check out various tools that are supposed to shut down the spying and homecalling functions, but i keep reading here and there that no matter how many antispy measures you run, you just can't stop the OS from collecting and uploading stuff.
Yes, the specific distros for Linux have a good deal of control. But with few exceptions, you aren't locked into a distribution's updates. You can add or change the repositories that software installations and updates come from. In many cases, you can go insofar as obtaining the source code to compile your own binaries if you wish.
Sharing data that is collected via normal use - sure, some Distros may collect some of that (Android & ChromeOS far and away being the worst of the bunch), but most do not. And that's entirely different than GPL licensing, which deals with computer code, not data collection. You can choose how you distribute your original code, but if you re-use someone else's code (either in part or whole), you have to follow and obey their license.
As far as Linux being synonymous with DDoS Botnets, I'm pretty sure that's false as well. Sure, any computer that's online is vulnerable. But there are a lot of Linux computers running out there that are not part of any botnet, and most distributions are pretty secure out of the box.
As for Microsoft : Yeah, I asked Microsoft for the 24/7 nagging about updating to windows 10 on my windows 8.1 system. Yeah, i asked to get an unique advertising id for my system. Yeah, i asked for ridiculously slow updates. Yeah, I asked Microsoft to unhide and check windows 10 update again without notifying me, after I specifically hid the update.
Sheep
ive still got the batch file to prove it
That aside you are right about it being devices but the growth trajectory has been very strong: 67M PCs last July; 110M devices last October; 200M devices at the start of the year; 300M since it was rolled out - a market share of 14.35%. And given that we have some idea about XB1 sales and Surface sales (probably not that huge) are basically laptops most of the 300M instals will be on PCs.
However growth has slowed. Maybe why Microsoft confirmed last week that they are ending the free upgrades - or maybe it was PC sellers who persuaded them (some seem to see Win10 as one of the reasons new PCs have been slow.) Will the offer return - shrug.
No - the offer was only up for a year. It was to get people to upgrade so they wouldn't have to support all the old OS's, except for paid clients. I mean, supporting older OS's is a drain on income. Apple doesn't do it and neither does Google, why should MS be held to a different standard? I think they all should support older OS's up to 10 yrs old, after that, you are on your own.
Win 10 is a great OS, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it NO SO.
So they are simply doing what they said form the start they would do. Noone made them do it.
I have no sympathy for people who do not update but whine that MS is not supporting their obsolete version of Windows. They have had every chance to upgrade, failing to do so is just stupid, unless your hardware is uncapable of running Win 10, in that case I can understand a bit of frustration, but I cant blame MS for not supporting hardware indefenately.
I may get Win 10 when it's time to build my new PC, in maybe 3-5 years. By then Win 10 should have it's flaws and annoyances figured out.
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My PC was built before Win 7 and it is still not outdated. Also, remember when extended support stops (that means bug fixes, etc.). Like Win XP Pro, after a while, you are on your own and that is dangerous.
Win 10 was the best update I have done and had no issues with at all. If people have issues, they need to look at: hardware (are their drivers for it - not MS' fault), the programs used, underlying issues (power supply, etc.).
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
So there aren't going to be any more bug fixes for Win 7, or Win 8 even, at least for Win 7 the OS is that stable now that flaws in the OS are 'mostly' dealt with, in that sense Win7 is better than Win10 because Win10 flaws are still more numerous and require more bugfixes than Win7 does, and as long as you have a good firewall and antivirus programs protecting it, and antimalware for that matter, because, windows defender is something of a joke that nobodies laughing at, then you are probably more than adequately protected anyway.
The only issue will be whether or not developers will be still supporting those operating systems, and frankly, as long as those operating systems have the majority of the market share, that will be the case.
In 3 years time, there is absolutely no guarantee that Win10 will even still be the most up to date OS anyway, regardless of whatever propaganda that MS is putting out as regards to Win10.
But, have to laugh, the whole, its not MS' fault comment was absolutely hillarious.
Tried to update my girlfriends labtop that has windows vista. could not get it to work at all. not sure if the upgrade is win 7 or 8 only??
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