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CrazKanuk

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

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Tasslehoff35 said:

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Hariken said:

Sid_Vicious said:

unfortunately, right now its all about consoles for most people . ..

Yep We PC gamers need to except this. Its just so much easier to build games around consoles because of the fixed hardware. People are getting tired of upgrading their PC to play new games. Now you can just wait for it to come to consoles and play from your couch. In the past i've spent thousands upgrading my PC for games. Now that i'm older i really can't do that as real life is more important.

personally.

I think that is certifiable horse manure

PC gaming 'maintenance' is easier now that it has ever been in the past

and on top of that 'most people' are 'Steam Accounts' by the numbers

Too bad their sales don't represent "most people" buying games from steam.   Which would hint those numbers you keep referring to are bogus.  

Disclaimer: I know it's a link you don't like and will act like it was never posted 

http://www.pcgamer.com/median-game-sales-on-steam-are-down-dramatically-steamspy-says/

is that why PC game sells are more than console sales?

PC sales do you are correct but steam is increasingly having  less of an impact on those numbers which again (read this next part very slow) the numbers you keep posting about steam are bogus. 

Btw nice job changing your tone after getting caught in a lie again.  Clearly "most people " are not buying from steam. 

ok so lets try not to get distracted, your focused on the wrong part of my example.

'Is it all about the console'
NO for multiple reasons Steam accounts just being ONE of them.


when steam accounts account for more than double of ALL next generation consoles be those consoles working or not is a stastically revelant data point. but it sjust one in the subject being discussed

There are over 160 million psn and xb live accounts...steam launched in 2003 if you are going to compare numbers accurately which we know you don't want to do including last gen and any console from 2013 will be the way to go...but we know that would destroy your flawed logic..

I have a link I posted just yesterday I will find it

In sales dollars

1. Mobile
2. PC
3. Console

console is currently on the bottom I will find it again and post it

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/mobile-game-revenue-to-pass-console-pc-for-first-time.html
to be fair my link is 'expected' but within the same year as the claim

so yeah..more money, more players, console currently on the bottom of the food chain with xbox being on the bottom of that, and yet..what? its all about the console?

Not entirely accurate. If you look at the actual numbers, Console games is at 29%, ACTUAL PC Games are at 27%. The other 5% are made up from browser games, which aren't PC games. The PC is simply the vehicle. 

Either way, I'm actually surprised PC game sales were that high. I mean the fact that steam is accounting for less than 10% of all PC Game sales is actually pretty surprising. I mean there is GOG, but what else is there, really? What's actually pretty awesome is that that means there is like $23 billion in market opportunity for Steam. 

SEANMCAD

CrazKanuk said:

Not entirely accurate. If you look at the actual numbers, Console games is at 29%, ACTUAL PC Games are at 27%. The other 5% are made up from browser games, which aren't PC games. The PC is simply the vehicle. 

Either way, I'm actually surprised PC game sales were that high. I mean the fact that steam is accounting for less than 10% of all PC Game sales is actually pretty surprising. I mean there is GOG, but what else is there, really? What's actually pretty awesome is that that means there is like $23 billion in market opportunity for Steam. 

the bottom line of which is in the article is the dollars

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

in gaming is NOT 'all about the console' its not all about any just one of them to be frank but if you had to pick one consoles would be the last one to be 'all about'

Tasslehoff35

SEANMCAD said:

blueturtle13 said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

personally.

I think that is certifiable horse manure

PC gaming 'maintenance' is easier now that it has ever been in the past

and on top of that 'most people' are 'Steam Accounts' by the numbers

Too bad their sales don't represent "most people" buying games from steam.   Which would hint those numbers you keep referring to are bogus.  

Disclaimer: I know it's a link you don't like and will act like it was never posted 

http://www.pcgamer.com/median-game-sales-on-steam-are-down-dramatically-steamspy-says/

is that why PC game sells are more than console sales?

PC sales do you are correct but steam is increasingly having  less of an impact on those numbers which again (read this next part very slow) the numbers you keep posting about steam are bogus. 

Btw nice job changing your tone after getting caught in a lie again.  Clearly "most people " are not buying from steam. 

Mobile gaming outpaces PC game sales. Yet who cares.

It all comes down to whatever platform you feel like playing your entertainment on.  I like options so I play on many platforms, for many reasons. Not sure why playing on a tablet, console or PC matters. If you are enjoying yourself play on whatever you want. 

the source of this side discussion is when someone suggested that all of gaming is 'now about the console player'
I was trying to illustrate that actually they are currently on the bottom of the list rather than the top which that statment suggests

Again reality is not your friend.  Nobody said gaming is about the console player.  YOU did however say Steam has more users then console but then I destroyed you by pointing out 

2015 Steam sales $3.5 Billion

2015 Console sales $111 BILLION.

This has never been about console sales vs PC sales it's been your uniformed comments about steam vs console.  

Keep digging buddy. 

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Hariken said:

Sid_Vicious said:

unfortunately, right now its all about consoles for most people . ..

Yep We PC gamers need to except this. Its just so much easier to build games around consoles because of the fixed hardware. People are getting tired of upgrading their PC to play new games. Now you can just wait for it to come to consoles and play from your couch. In the past i've spent thousands upgrading my PC for games. Now that i'm older i really can't do that as real life is more important.

personally.

I think that is certifiable horse manure

PC gaming 'maintenance' is easier now that it has ever been in the past

and on top of that 'most people' are 'Steam Accounts' by the numbers

Too bad their sales don't represent "most people" buying games from steam.   Which would hint those numbers you keep referring to are bogus.  

Disclaimer: I know it's a link you don't like and will act like it was never posted 

http://www.pcgamer.com/median-game-sales-on-steam-are-down-dramatically-steamspy-says/

is that why PC game sells are more than console sales?

PC sales do you are correct but steam is increasingly having  less of an impact on those numbers which again (read this next part very slow) the numbers you keep posting about steam are bogus. 

Btw nice job changing your tone after getting caught in a lie again.  Clearly "most people " are not buying from steam. 

ok so lets try not to get distracted, your focused on the wrong part of my example.

'Is it all about the console'
NO for multiple reasons Steam accounts just being ONE of them.


when steam accounts account for more than double of ALL next generation consoles be those consoles working or not is a stastically revelant data point. but it sjust one in the subject being discussed

There are over 160 million psn and xb live accounts...steam launched in 2003 if you are going to compare numbers accurately which we know you don't want to do including last gen and any console from 2013 will be the way to go...but we know that would destroy your flawed logic..

I have a link I posted just yesterday I will find it

In sales dollars

1. Mobile
2. PC
3. Console

console is currently on the bottom I will find it again and post it

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/mobile-game-revenue-to-pass-console-pc-for-first-time.html
to be fair my link is 'expected' but within the same year as the claim

so yeah..more money, more players, console currently on the bottom of the food chain with xbox being on the bottom of that, and yet..what? its all about the console?

Interesting excerpt from your linked article

"But by no means is PC and mobile gaming dying. Revenue generated from PC games is expected to rise 2.1 percent this year while console gaming revenue will rise 4.5 percent, according to Newzoo."

I'd also wager that most of the PC's that are used for PC gaming on Steam or elsewhere are cheap consumer laptops that are less powerful than an Xbone.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

Interesting excerpt from your linked article

"But by no means is PC and mobile gaming dying. Revenue generated from PC games is expected to rise 2.1 percent this year while console gaming revenue will rise 4.5 percent, according to Newzoo."

I'd also wager that most of the PC's that are used for PC gaming on Steam or elsewhere are cheap consumer laptops that are less powerful than an Xbone.

For someone to say:

'in gaming its all about the console'

and then see this list

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

is wrong.

1. Gaming is not 'all about' any ONE of those. its about all of them
2. if you HAVE to pick ONE then the LEAST candiate would be consoles

CrazKanuk

SEANMCAD said:

CrazKanuk said:

Not entirely accurate. If you look at the actual numbers, Console games is at 29%, ACTUAL PC Games are at 27%. The other 5% are made up from browser games, which aren't PC games. The PC is simply the vehicle. 

Either way, I'm actually surprised PC game sales were that high. I mean the fact that steam is accounting for less than 10% of all PC Game sales is actually pretty surprising. I mean there is GOG, but what else is there, really? What's actually pretty awesome is that that means there is like $23 billion in market opportunity for Steam. 

the bottom line of which is in the article is the dollars

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

in gaming is NOT 'all about the console' its not all about any just one of them to be frank but if you had to pick one consoles would be the last one to be 'all about'

It's right there in the article you linked. There is an infographic that clearly states that PC Games account for 27% of all game sales. The stat your giving is inaccurate because it includes browser-based games, which aren't, technically, PC games. 

SEANMCAD

CrazKanuk said:

SEANMCAD said:

CrazKanuk said:

Not entirely accurate. If you look at the actual numbers, Console games is at 29%, ACTUAL PC Games are at 27%. The other 5% are made up from browser games, which aren't PC games. The PC is simply the vehicle. 

Either way, I'm actually surprised PC game sales were that high. I mean the fact that steam is accounting for less than 10% of all PC Game sales is actually pretty surprising. I mean there is GOG, but what else is there, really? What's actually pretty awesome is that that means there is like $23 billion in market opportunity for Steam. 

the bottom line of which is in the article is the dollars

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

in gaming is NOT 'all about the console' its not all about any just one of them to be frank but if you had to pick one consoles would be the last one to be 'all about'

It's right there in the article you linked. There is an infographic that clearly states that PC Games account for 27% of all game sales. The stat your giving is inaccurate because it includes browser-based games, which aren't, technically, PC games. 

I say again

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

anyone who says 'its ALL about the console now'

is wrong on multiple counts

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

Interesting excerpt from your linked article

"But by no means is PC and mobile gaming dying. Revenue generated from PC games is expected to rise 2.1 percent this year while console gaming revenue will rise 4.5 percent, according to Newzoo."

I'd also wager that most of the PC's that are used for PC gaming on Steam or elsewhere are cheap consumer laptops that are less powerful than an Xbone.

For someone to say:

'in gaming its all about the console'

and then see this list

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

is wrong.

1. Gaming is not 'all about' any ONE of those. its about all of them
2. if you HAVE to pick ONE then the LEAST candiate would be consoles

PC's and Consoles are pretty much one in the same. It's not like the old days anymore.

High End Gaming PC's are in the extreme minority. Always have been and always will be.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

Interesting excerpt from your linked article

"But by no means is PC and mobile gaming dying. Revenue generated from PC games is expected to rise 2.1 percent this year while console gaming revenue will rise 4.5 percent, according to Newzoo."

I'd also wager that most of the PC's that are used for PC gaming on Steam or elsewhere are cheap consumer laptops that are less powerful than an Xbone.

For someone to say:

'in gaming its all about the console'

and then see this list

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

is wrong.

1. Gaming is not 'all about' any ONE of those. its about all of them
2. if you HAVE to pick ONE then the LEAST candiate would be consoles

PC's and Consoles are pretty much one in the same. It's not like the old days anymore.

High End Gaming PC's are in the extreme minority. Always have been and always will be.

I would have to disagree completely to the point where I would suggest you are factually wrong.

Having said that if you were right the article would not be written as it is

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

anyone who says 'its all about the console' is wrong and/or is being paid to say it

SEANMCAD

Torval said:

Doesn't that article point out that this is the first time that PC revenues have overtaken console revenue in a long long time? It only overtook that due to social gaming like Facebook and other browser based games.

Anyway, Sean has effectively derailed another thread yet again. The thread is about ESO, not Sean's console agenda.

1. I am NOT saying that 'its all about the PC'

2. I AM saying its NOT 'all about the console'

you guys are having a different conversation then the one I am having. I am not trying to proove that PC is more important than console I am trying to show you that you take the LOWEST EARNER on the list and say 'its all about the console' is very stupid comment to make.

hand to god I am starting to think you guys are getting paid by Microsoft and Sony to continuious this sillyness. Console fanboys are the most biased EVER

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SEANMCAD

Torval said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

Doesn't that article point out that this is the first time that PC revenues have overtaken console revenue in a long long time? It only overtook that due to social gaming like Facebook and other browser based games.

Anyway, Sean has effectively derailed another thread yet again. The thread is about ESO, not Sean's console agenda.

1. I am NOT saying that 'its all about the PC'

2. I AM saying its NOT 'all about the console'

you guys are having a different conversation then the one I am having. I am not trying to proove that PC is more important than console I am trying to show you that you take the LOWEST EARNER on the list and say 'its all about the console' is very stupid comment to make.

hand to god I am starting to think you guys are getting paid by Microsoft and Sony to continuious this sillyness. Console fanboys are the most biased EVER

Then start a thread about that because this conversation is about ESO console and Tamriel Unlimited sales and a bit about how they're changing their way of selling and making games.

sorry but if someone says 'gaming is all about the console now' I am going to address it

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

Interesting excerpt from your linked article

"But by no means is PC and mobile gaming dying. Revenue generated from PC games is expected to rise 2.1 percent this year while console gaming revenue will rise 4.5 percent, according to Newzoo."

I'd also wager that most of the PC's that are used for PC gaming on Steam or elsewhere are cheap consumer laptops that are less powerful than an Xbone.

For someone to say:

'in gaming its all about the console'

and then see this list

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

is wrong.

1. Gaming is not 'all about' any ONE of those. its about all of them
2. if you HAVE to pick ONE then the LEAST candiate would be consoles

PC's and Consoles are pretty much one in the same. It's not like the old days anymore.

High End Gaming PC's are in the extreme minority. Always have been and always will be.

I would have to disagree completely to the point where I would suggest you are factually wrong.

Having said that if you were right the article would not be written as it is

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion

anyone who says 'its all about the console' is wrong and/or is being paid to say it

My Mother and my Aunt are PC gamers as well.

My 80 year old Mother plays slot machine games on a $300 Acer Laptop that I bought her for Christmas 3 1/2 years ago.

nuff said 

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

My Mother and my Aunt are PC gamers as well.

My 80 year old Mother plays slot machine games on a $300 Acer Laptop that I bought her for Christmas 3 1/2 years ago.

nuff said 

so?

if one is to say 'in gaming its all about the console'

would they expect the console to be the lowest earner,regardless of whose grandma is playing what

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion (THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST 3 ITEMS THIS IS THE 3RD ITEM..THE LEAST, THE LOWEST)

maybe this

'its not 'all about the console' gaming is about multiple platforms'

if it makes anyone feel better consoles do outsell the hobby board game market.

http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/32102/hobby-games-market-climbs-880-million

how about this?

its not 'all' about any of these plaftorms its about all of them, I know that sounds like a PC bias but its not to those who can...well...think

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

My Mother and my Aunt are PC gamers as well.

My 80 year old Mother plays slot machine games on a $300 Acer Laptop that I bought her for Christmas 3 1/2 years ago.

nuff said 

so?

if one is to say 'in gaming its all about the console'

would they expect the console to be the lowest earner,regardless of whose grandma is playing what

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion (THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST 3 ITEMS THIS IS THE 3RD ITEM..THE LEAST, THE LOWEST)

maybe this

'its not 'all about the console' gaming is about multiple platforms'

Who the fuck is saying it's all about the Consoles?

I have said and will say is that the power of Consoles are on par with your everyday PC that your average joe uses to play PC games.

I'd wager that the majority of those sales numbers for the PC and Consoles are from the same titles. What's important are the damn games, not what you play them on.

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Iselin

blueturtle13 said:

SEANMCAD said:

you guys are having a different conversation then the one I am having.

Story of your life

It's not like this is news and yet, people engage him knowing full well that doing so means a trip to some barely relevant place.

And to be fair he's only derailing the previous derailment about the ultimate meaning of words used by a developer in what is just a fluff piece saying "Yup, we're happy and even if we weren't we'd still say we are because we know how important it is for the masses to believe that they're playing what's trendy."

In a game I play and enjoy playing, that has a server structure and zone phasing where it takes very few people logged in to make the game feel populated, the only concern about numbers I would ever have is if the numbers are so low (as in Wildstar) that shutting it down is a real imminent possibility.

Otherwise numbers arguments are just another version of the endless "the thing I like is better than the thing you like and that makes me a more popular person" debate that 8-yr-olds have been having for millenia. 

SEANMCAD

blueturtle13 said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

My Mother and my Aunt are PC gamers as well.

My 80 year old Mother plays slot machine games on a $300 Acer Laptop that I bought her for Christmas 3 1/2 years ago.

nuff said 

so?

if one is to say 'in gaming its all about the console'

would they expect the console to be the lowest earner,regardless of whose grandma is playing what

1. mobile: $36.9 billion

2. PC: $31.9 billion

3. console: $29 billion (THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST 3 ITEMS THIS IS THE 3RD ITEM..THE LEAST, THE LOWEST)

maybe this

'its not 'all about the console' gaming is about multiple platforms'

if it makes anyone feel better consoles do outsell the hobby board game market.

http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/32102/hobby-games-market-climbs-880-million

how about this?

its not 'all' about any of these plaftorms its about all of them, I know that sounds like a PC bias but its not to those who can...well...think

One person said back on page one "Unfortunately, it is all about consoles for most people" and you go on and on and on about people saying it is all about consoles.
One person said it. 5 pages back. Just stop. You have hijacked the thread long enough over one sentence from one post.

Yes that is exactly right.

if people want me to stop going on about it then maybe they could stop responding to me and telling me that i am wrong.

just a crazy thought given the lowest earner in the gaming industry outside of board games is consoles.

every reply I have made in the past however many pages is to reply to someone who is telling me i am wrong...unreasonable? yeah I guess that is crazyness

Kyleran

Torval said:

Kyleran said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

Phry said:

Horusra said:

Or he is not allowed to talk specific numbers and uses the best words he can to says millions of new players.

I don't doubt at all that he isn't allowed to talk specific numbers, which is probably why he used the terminology that he did, its all about PR after all, though one might also say that if there had been millions of actual players, then they would have been shouting it from the rooftops, not using PR doublespeak.

They do it so some people who need to turn everything into a negative and conspiracy theory have something to do...clearly it worked as you are nicely demonstrating for everyone here.

So he clearly could have put it all to rest bt saying they sold X.xx million copies for the console.

The only reason not to is if the actual numbers are open to criticism.

Zenimax have always been about smoke and mirrors when it comes to facts.

They're ALL about smoke and mirrors. CCP doesn't publish sub numbers or say how many actual players they have versus multi-account holders. You can get concurrency numbers from EVE-Offline which is pretty neat, but all that does is let people speculate with no real degree of accuracy about actual player numbers. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Trion does it when they actually have numbers worth mentioning. Blizzard does it and always have, even when they published numbers, with how they qualified "subscribers" in Asia even though they use an entirely different payment model.

I agree it's due to public perception and criticism though. As a community we have a sort of lemming mentality. If something is going great we all rush to it and the numbers swell. If the numbers go down we start to jump ship and that could cause numbers to dip even further. Vague reassuring statements are all we'll get because apparently and unfortunately that's what we can handle, as a community.

I won't disagree and I am critical of the fact CCP stopped publishing sub numbers.

Less so about players with multiple accounts because with PLEX and anti spying paranoia even I signed up my newer accounts in a manner that would make it more challenging to link them to my older ones.

The most important number for me is still available, accounts logged concurrently, and it recently crossed 40K for the first time in 3 years.

Forget millions sold or served, how about they tell folks how many are playing with them on a server or shard?

This info was easily and freely obtainable from most all MMORPGS when I started playing and I'll continue to call out companies that use marketing weasel words rather than honest hard facts, CCP included.

Tasslehoff35

So what Sean is saying is it's all about mobile games and they are the best....ok Sean whatever you say buddy 

SEANMCAD

Tasslehoff35 said:

So what Sean is saying is it's all about mobile games and they are the best....ok Sean whatever you say buddy 

I guess I will just keep responding over and over again as long as people keep jumping on my shit.

what I am saying is that

'console gaming is NOT what its 'all about'

I am not saying mobile is better, I am not saying PC is better, I am not even addressing who is king of the hill. It would not matter or change my view if consoles where number 2 on that list its not 'all about' any ONE of them.

shall we keep talking about this or are we done yet?

my suggestion to you is to NOT reply to this

Darksworm

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

What puzzles me is similar to what puzzles me about people getting excited about console exclusives on a PC.

Gamers (I would think) in a large majority (in the PC and console space) already know this game exists. if they wanted to play it wouldnt they already have the PC version? 

Contrary to what is said on these forums not everyone who owns a PC has a PC that can play these games.  That is why more and more mmos are coming to the consoles. 

fair enough so you are suggesting there is a large set of people who, one, have known about the game for a year, two, wants to play, three, cant play because of an unpowered PC and, four, has an xbox one or PS4.

do I have it right?

Well saying "a large set of people" would depend on your definition of large.  

But yes companies wouldn't be bringing all these mmos and games like Diablo 3 to the consoles if there wasn't a good reason too.  That reason would be exactly what you just said. 

enough to justify making an ESO version on console.

lets review my question again and see contemplate how your answer applies to that question:

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Gamers (I would think) in a large majority (in the PC and console space) already know this game exists. if they wanted to play it wouldnt they already have the PC version?'
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so my understanding is that you feel the reason they are doing is is because of this:

there are enough people who, one, have known about the game for a year, two, wants to play, three, cant play because of an unpowered PC and, four, has an xbox one or PS4 to justify this move

I don't think many of the people know just how awful this game looks if you don't have a pretty decent PC.  If you have to play on anything below high settings, it looks horrible.  The PS4 version looks like 4K heaven compared to that.  You need a PC that costs 2x or more than a console to play at equivalent or better graphical fidelity or performance at 1080p resolution.

PC Gaming system requirements are too all over the map for me to continue investing there, and I don't like overbuying hardware specs "just in case."  Console graphics looks great to me, and the performance is very good.  The only thing I have to worry about is hard drive space, which is easily upgradeable in a PS4.

I think the difference is that console games are designed for a set spec, while PC games are usually designed for the highest common factor instead of the least common denominator.  This leaves they looking great in reviews on sites and among enthusiasts, but they tend to leave a lot of average players scratching their heads as the games run terribly on thier machines.

I bought ESO on PC/Mac like 6+ months before the console version came out nad played a net total of about 5 hours on that platform, because hte game looks terrible and the performance is not consistent.  The PS4 version is 1,000x better from that perspective for me, except communications in the game is so awful that it's almost enough to completely write it off at this point.

Tasslehoff35

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

So what Sean is saying is it's all about mobile games and they are the best....ok Sean whatever you say buddy 

I guess I will just keep responding over and over again as long as people keep jumping on my shit.

what I am saying is that

'console gaming is NOT what its 'all about'

I am not saying mobile is better, I am not saying PC is better, I am not even addressing who is king of the hill. It would not matter or change my view if consoles where number 2 on that list its not 'all about' any ONE of them.

shall we keep talking about this or are we done yet?

my suggestion to you is to NOT reply to this

You think it's all about the mobile games mobile is better than PC mobile is better than console mobile is better than VR we know Sean mobile is where it's at

SEANMCAD

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

So what Sean is saying is it's all about mobile games and they are the best....ok Sean whatever you say buddy 

I guess I will just keep responding over and over again as long as people keep jumping on my shit.

what I am saying is that

'console gaming is NOT what its 'all about'

I am not saying mobile is better, I am not saying PC is better, I am not even addressing who is king of the hill. It would not matter or change my view if consoles where number 2 on that list its not 'all about' any ONE of them.

shall we keep talking about this or are we done yet?

my suggestion to you is to NOT reply to this

You think it's all about the mobile games mobile is better than PC mobile is better than console mobile is better than VR we know Sean mobile is where it's at

I dont think its 'all about' any of them but you would be more accurate then saying its all about consoles.

thanks for being at least a little bit reasonable 

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Darksworm said:

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Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

Tasslehoff35 said:

SEANMCAD said:

What puzzles me is similar to what puzzles me about people getting excited about console exclusives on a PC.

Gamers (I would think) in a large majority (in the PC and console space) already know this game exists. if they wanted to play it wouldnt they already have the PC version? 

Contrary to what is said on these forums not everyone who owns a PC has a PC that can play these games.  That is why more and more mmos are coming to the consoles. 

fair enough so you are suggesting there is a large set of people who, one, have known about the game for a year, two, wants to play, three, cant play because of an unpowered PC and, four, has an xbox one or PS4.

do I have it right?

Well saying "a large set of people" would depend on your definition of large.  

But yes companies wouldn't be bringing all these mmos and games like Diablo 3 to the consoles if there wasn't a good reason too.  That reason would be exactly what you just said. 

enough to justify making an ESO version on console.

lets review my question again and see contemplate how your answer applies to that question:

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Gamers (I would think) in a large majority (in the PC and console space) already know this game exists. if they wanted to play it wouldnt they already have the PC version?'
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so my understanding is that you feel the reason they are doing is is because of this:

there are enough people who, one, have known about the game for a year, two, wants to play, three, cant play because of an unpowered PC and, four, has an xbox one or PS4 to justify this move

I don't think many of the people know just how awful this game looks if you don't have a pretty decent PC.  If you have to play on anything below high settings, it looks horrible.  The PS4 version looks like 4K heaven compared to that.  You need a PC that costs 2x or more than a console to play at equivalent or better graphical fidelity or performance at 1080p resolution.

PC Gaming system requirements are too all over the map for me to continue investing there, and I don't like overbuying hardware specs "just in case."  Console graphics looks great to me, and the performance is very good.  The only thing I have to worry about is hard drive space, which is easily upgradeable in a PS4.

I think the difference is that console games are designed for a set spec, while PC games are usually designed for the highest common factor instead of the least common denominator.  This leaves they looking great in reviews on sites and among enthusiasts, but they tend to leave a lot of average players scratching their heads as the games run terribly on thier machines.

I bought ESO on PC/Mac like 6+ months before the console version came out nad played a net total of about 5 hours on that platform, because hte game looks terrible and the performance is not consistent.  The PS4 version is 1,000x better from that perspective for me, except communications in the game is so awful that it's almost enough to completely write it off at this point.

is this a round about way of just saying games look better on consoles?