Sounds like you walked back into your random Best Buy in Podunk USA that seems to have everything in stock because no one goes there.
that could very well be true. However it still leave the question
If GoPro Session is listed as 'unavailable' online does that mean they are suffering from the same DDR ram shortage that will make the GTX1080 not available until next year?
yes or no?
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This is quite interesting. They were pretty steadily going down in price (was able to find several 1080 last week on amazon that were $50-100 over msrp), however things appear to have slid backwards quite a lot, to the point its about where it was pricing wise at "release".
So, I may have to order some crow to eat here in a couple weeks, but, if that's the case, I will do so.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
1080s - there are 2 models in stock, but both are listing at around $900 right now. Several models are listing at the FE MSRP, but with ~5day ship times. Nothing is down to the third-party MSRP of $600 yet, most cards in the $650 range if your willing to wait on availability.
1070s - several models, including third party coolers, are in stock. Nothing near the $379 MSRP for third party cards yet, prices seem to have settled in the $420-460 range for the moment.
480s - All out of stock. Prices are holding at MSRP though.
Weekend Update for 7/16 Change for the worse for 1080's - one model in stock for over $800, rest are all out of stock or 3-5 days out. Prices are starting to creep back over $700.
1070's - about the same as last week. Several models in stock, some particular models out of stock. Prices still in the $420-460 range.
480's - 2 models in stock, for around $320. Rest are still around MSRP but out of stock.
"It is not the AIB's fault, AMD over-sold on reference so the GPU went to building more reference to clear those backorders.
Sapphire alone have 5000 backorders on RX 480 reference still to fulfill in just the UK alone, that is the reason.
People post so much BS up, the real reasons are simply RX-480 demand was
way way above what AMD could have ever predicted. Custom cards go into
product this weekend at numerous board partners. "
Jul 17 - 9:24 AM EST
Amazon : SAPPHIRE 21260-01-20G Out of Stock
Jul 17 - 9:16 AM EST
Amazon : SAPPHIRE 21260-01-20G Preorder for $199.99
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
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I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
I know everyone wants to jump on the new video card band wagon. My advice is wait all if you can. The reason is the HBM.2 memory standard is in place and AMD will be adopting it soon and NIVIDIA most likely in fall.
Your new cards will be toast with the new memory standard in place as HBM.2 is fast real fast. For most unless you just have to have a new card I would wait. Hell still running a 770 here but going to build a new system next year using Broadwell E most likely. It is always better to let the prices settle there is no way I would pay an extra 100 bucks for a founders card let alone 400 bucks above MSRP just to have the biggest Epeen for the next couple of months.
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
Why then are there a lot of GTX 1070s available not that far above MSRP, but no GTX 1080s? There's a lot more demand for GTX 1070s than GTX 1080s, simply because there's a lot more demand for a $400 card than a $700 card.
If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability, 2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or 3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
Why then are there a lot of GTX 1070s available not that far above MSRP, but no GTX 1080s? There's a lot more demand for GTX 1070s than GTX 1080s, simply because there's a lot more demand for a $400 card than a $700 card.
If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability, 2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or 3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
so Christian Times is lying? not sure I follow what your saying as it relates to the posted article
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
Why then are there a lot of GTX 1070s available not that far above MSRP, but no GTX 1080s? There's a lot more demand for GTX 1070s than GTX 1080s, simply because there's a lot more demand for a $400 card than a $700 card.
If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability, 2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or 3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
so Christian Times is lying? not sure I follow what your saying as it relates to the posted article
I'm saying that Internet rumors aren't always completely accurate.
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
Why then are there a lot of GTX 1070s available not that far above MSRP, but no GTX 1080s? There's a lot more demand for GTX 1070s than GTX 1080s, simply because there's a lot more demand for a $400 card than a $700 card.
If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability, 2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or 3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
so Christian Times is lying? not sure I follow what your saying as it relates to the posted article
I'm saying that Internet rumors aren't always completely accurate.
Internet rumor?
really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I also would like to add that the supply shortage on the GX series of cards for this generation is not related to RAM. I have known this for awhile now I just havent mentioned it because I know its hard to get this understood
Why then are there a lot of GTX 1070s available not that far above MSRP, but no GTX 1080s? There's a lot more demand for GTX 1070s than GTX 1080s, simply because there's a lot more demand for a $400 card than a $700 card.
If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability, 2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or 3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
so Christian Times is lying? not sure I follow what your saying as it relates to the posted article
I'm saying that Internet rumors aren't always completely accurate.
Internet rumor?
really?
Try reading your own links. The Christian Times says that Mobipicker says (in broken English) that "it is also being said" (by no one in particular) that TSMC can't produce chips fast enough. The Christian Times also cites Morning News USA, which cites the same Mobipicker article. If that's not an Internet rumor, then I have no idea what is.
Try reading your own links. The Christian Times says that Mobipicker says (in broken English) that "it is also being said" (by no one in particular) that TSMC can't produce chips fast enough. The Christian Times also cites Morning News USA, which cites the same Mobipicker article. If that's not an Internet rumor, then I have no idea what is.
in broken English?
internet rumor?
well anyway, this is why they are having supply problems its not related to RAM. So carry on folks
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But apparently you are willing to accept the rumor, because it's from a news outlet, and are also willing to dismissively assert this to the rest of the thread. His point is that there is nothing in the article to substantiate your claim except that someone in the world said so, with no proof.
That's good enough for me - must be true.
Actually, I am impressed he linked anything at all ... +1 to @SEANMCAD - he's getting better at the Internet.
Try reading your own links. The Christian Times says that Mobipicker says (in broken English) that "it is also being said" (by no one in particular) that TSMC can't produce chips fast enough. The Christian Times also cites Morning News USA, which cites the same Mobipicker article. If that's not an Internet rumor, then I have no idea what is.
in broken English?
internet rumor?
well anyway, this is why they are having supply problems its not related to RAM. So carry on folks
An internet rumor is when a website, like some random news outlet, asserts hearsay based on no verifiable source.
Broken <insert language here> is when a non-native language speaker tries to communicate something in that non-native language using keywords to convey the concept. Often a "broken" interpretation isn't clear and the meaning is inferred based on those key words.
But apparently you are willing to accept the rumor, because it's from a news outlet, and are also willing to dismissively assert this to the rest of the thread. His point is that there is nothing in the article to substantiate your claim except that someone in the world said so, with no proof.
I didnt see in the article where it said 'rumor' do we know its a rumor when it says something we dont want it to?
I have already decided to go with AMD this time around. I am figuring if I should get a 480 or 2 when the custom cards come out or wait to see what the 490 and other Vega will bring.
Try reading your own links. The Christian Times says that Mobipicker says (in broken English) that "it is also being said" (by no one in particular) that TSMC can't produce chips fast enough. The Christian Times also cites Morning News USA, which cites the same Mobipicker article. If that's not an Internet rumor, then I have no idea what is.
in broken English?
internet rumor?
well anyway, this is why they are having supply problems its not related to RAM. So carry on folks
An internet rumor is when a website, like some random news outlet, asserts hearsay based on no verifiable source.
Broken <insert language here> is when a non-native language speaker tries to communicate something in that non-native language using keywords to convey the concept. Often a "broken" interpretation isn't clear and the meaning is inferred based on those key words.
But apparently you are willing to accept the rumor, because it's from a news outlet, and are also willing to dismissively assert this to the rest of the thread. His point is that there is nothing in the article to substantiate your claim except that someone in the world said so, with no proof.
I didnt see in the article where it said 'rumor' do we know its a rumor when it says something we dont want it to?
articles found saying product delays are related to ram? 0
Do you read your own links and consider their plausibility, or just link them? From the third one:
"Reports have also confirmed that the GeForce GTX 1080 is now the biggest-volume high-end video card that has been launched by the company. There is apparently more of the units that have been made available in the market than any other products from the company in the past, including the GeForce GTX 980 and the GeForce GTX 980 Ti."
The claim that a $700 card that has only briefly been out would have already sold more than a $500 card that was the top end for several months and has now been out for nearly two years is self-evidently ridiculous.
Several sites echoing the same rumor from each other doesn't make it true. Indeed, that's the very essence of an Internet rumor.
Incidentally, all four of those articles are from June, so hardly recent.
Since it's not October yet, why would you care anyway?
Or... did you finally get your Rift, and then realize your GTX620 (or whatever it was you have in your $1,500 rig) isn't enough to run it?
1. actually I dont care so much namely because its not really related to my core prediction anyway which isnt even dependent on RAM (would you like me to remind you my prediction?), I just thought you guys should know that there are 5 articles saying the delay is not related to RAM and ZERO articles saying that it is.
2. yes I got my Rift and it fucking amazing. Just as good as I had predicted. i am excited to get the Touch controllers though that will make a huge difference too. I also bought a brand new machine so I can run it, I paid with it from petty cash out of my wallet. Machine is pretty nice and as always purchased on the 3rd year of the last purchase. like clock work for about 27 years, every 3 years new computer. Amazing how you can nearly set your watch to Moores Law. So yeah, since you didnt know, my last computer was 3 years old and my last card was 18 months old. and its been pretty much exactly like that pattern for 27 years
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If GoPro Session is listed as 'unavailable' online does that mean they are suffering from the same DDR ram shortage that will make the GTX1080 not available until next year?
yes or no?
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yes or no?
This is quite interesting. They were pretty steadily going down in price (was able to find several 1080 last week on amazon that were $50-100 over msrp), however things appear to have slid backwards quite a lot, to the point its about where it was pricing wise at "release".
So, I may have to order some crow to eat here in a couple weeks, but, if that's the case, I will do so.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Change for the worse for 1080's - one model in stock for over $800, rest are all out of stock or 3-5 days out. Prices are starting to creep back over $700.
1070's - about the same as last week. Several models in stock, some particular models out of stock. Prices still in the $420-460 range.
480's - 2 models in stock, for around $320. Rest are still around MSRP but out of stock.
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"It is not the AIB's fault, AMD over-sold on reference so the GPU went to building more reference to clear those backorders.
Sapphire alone have 5000 backorders on RX 480 reference still to fulfill in just the UK alone, that is the reason.
People post so much BS up, the real reasons are simply RX-480 demand was way way above what AMD could have ever predicted. Custom cards go into product this weekend at numerous board partners.
Jul 17 - 9:24 AM EST
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Your new cards will be toast with the new memory standard in place as HBM.2 is fast real fast. For most unless you just have to have a new card I would wait. Hell still running a 770 here but going to build a new system next year using Broadwell E most likely. It is always better to let the prices settle there is no way I would pay an extra 100 bucks for a founders card let alone 400 bucks above MSRP just to have the biggest Epeen for the next couple of months.
http://christiantimes.com/article/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-news-supply-issues-hound-release-tsmc-causing-delay/58099.htm
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If it's all an issue that TSMC can't supply chips on 16 nm, then how did Apple launch the iPhone 6S using TSMC 16 nm chips last Summer? That's a much higher volume part than GP104, and TSMC surely has far more capacity on 16 nm now than they did a year ago.
Most likely, it's an issue of either:
1) Nvidia decided to launch the cards before they had big production runs back, so it was always going to take a while for real availability,
2) Yields were problematic enough that Nvidia wasn't willing to do huge production runs and have to throw away a ton of chips, and those huge production runs are needed for real availability, or
3) Trying to make the cards look more impressive, Nvidia set the specs high enough that a large fraction of the chips couldn't meet them--but could meet looser specs just fine. If this is the case, then a GTX 1065 or some such based on a lower bin of GP104 will be coming.
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really?
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internet rumor?
well anyway, this is why they are having supply problems its not related to RAM. So carry on folks
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Actually, I am impressed he linked anything at all ... +1 to @SEANMCAD - he's getting better at the Internet.
5 articles in total?
articles found saying product delays are related to ram?
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"Reports have also confirmed that the GeForce GTX 1080 is now the biggest-volume high-end video card that has been launched by the company. There is apparently more of the units that have been made available in the market than any other products from the company in the past, including the GeForce GTX 980 and the GeForce GTX 980 Ti."
The claim that a $700 card that has only briefly been out would have already sold more than a $500 card that was the top end for several months and has now been out for nearly two years is self-evidently ridiculous.
Several sites echoing the same rumor from each other doesn't make it true. Indeed, that's the very essence of an Internet rumor.
Incidentally, all four of those articles are from June, so hardly recent.
Or... did you finally get your Rift, and then realize your GTX620 (or whatever it was you have in your $1,500 rig) isn't enough to run it?
2. yes I got my Rift and it fucking amazing. Just as good as I had predicted. i am excited to get the Touch controllers though that will make a huge difference too. I also bought a brand new machine so I can run it, I paid with it from petty cash out of my wallet. Machine is pretty nice and as always purchased on the 3rd year of the last purchase. like clock work for about 27 years, every 3 years new computer. Amazing how you can nearly set your watch to Moores Law. So yeah, since you didnt know, my last computer was 3 years old and my last card was 18 months old. and its been pretty much exactly like that pattern for 27 years
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