I was thinking that if I had some time today I would call up about 5 Best Buys randomly through out the country and ask them if they have a 1070 or 1080 on the shelf.
would be doing that change this conversation any?
Only if u would call them a couple of hours later, and a 3rd time the day after, to double-check if their 3 FE at $100-$200 over MSRP got sold the minute after u called.
Or just check the actual situation on these 2 links like all the people who managed to get their 1080s/1070s do, ...
There's 27,000 comments on the 1080 page alone, so i guess nowinstock does work.
there is a couple of hundred 1080s and 1070s flowing into US every week. It's just a race in time patience and reflexes to actually get one (check how many minutes after a link goes green, or someone posts does someone else put a sad smiley because they were to slow)
I was thinking that if I had some time today I would call up about 5 Best Buys randomly through out the country and ask them if they have a 1070 or 1080 on the shelf.
would be doing that change this conversation any?
Only if u would call them a couple of hours later, and a 3rd time the day after, to double-check if their 3 FE at $100-$200 over MSRP got sold the minute after u called.
Or just check the actual situation on these 2 links like all the people who managed to get their 1080s/1070s do, ...
There's 27,000 comments on the 1080 page alone, so i guess nowinstock does work.
price has nothing whatsoever even remotely close to having anything to do whatsoever with my original prediction. so I am afraid I would not ask about price
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price has nothing whatsoever even remotely close to having anything to do whatsoever with my original prediction. so I am afraid I would not ask about price
Read the damn comments on the nowinstock links.
What would happen is if u called the best buy and they told you, yes we have in stock in this shop in this county in this state, and you were hypothetically 5 mins away. By time u got dressed sat in your car and went to buy it, there would be no 1080 to buy, ...
And for your information, the price is very much related to any prediction about wide availability whether you refuse to accept it or not.
Once there is >10 cards of any type in a shop at <20% over MSRP price, for more than 48 hours, that is what constitutes into wide availability.
price has nothing whatsoever even remotely close to having anything to do whatsoever with my original prediction. so I am afraid I would not ask about price
Read the damn comments on the nowinstock links.
What would happen is if u called the best buy and they told you, yes we have in stock in this shop in this county in this state, and you were hypothetically 5 mins away. By time u got dressed sat in your car and went to buy it, there would be no 1080 to buy, ...
And for your information, the price is very much related to any prediction about wide availability whether you refuse to accept it or not.
Once there is >10 cards of any type in a shop at <20% over MSRP price, for more than 48 hours, that is what constitutes into wide availability.
More than a month ago i said (paraphrased) 'I bet that before Q4 i could walk into a store like Microcenter or Best Buy fairly randomly and pick up a next generation card'
I was told that is unlikely.
I never addressed cost and cost does not affect my statement in anyway even more so
when articles has stated 'the cards are selling better than expected' which is something I have said about 5 times now and ignored 5 times now
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Other than the ~35% more available 1080s on launch day, my prediction about the drop by drop weekly availability from +1 day after launch up until now is 100% true, so if the above post is directed at me, i have no clue what you are talking about.
1 month has passed and there has not been a single place which has had even 1 card in stock for a full work day, which is exactly what i predicted.
Whether my prediction about the slight uptake during 3rd week of july and onward is true, we still need to wait and see.
Double checked i wrote on may 8th, and i predicted slight uptake mid-july and ramp-up mid-august, thus a miracle availability from 3rd week of july, and a more realistic availability from 3rd week of august.
Other than the ~35% more available 1080s on launch day, my prediction about the drop by drop weekly availability from +1 day after launch up until now is 100% true, so if the above post is directed at me, i have no clue what you are talking about.
1 month has passed and there has not been a single place which has had even 1 card in stock for a full work day, which is exactly what i predicted.
Whether my prediction about the slight uptake during 3rd week of july and onward is true, we still need to wait and see.
over a month ago I predicted that before Q4 these next generation cards would be 'widely available' I defined 'widely available' as me being able to walk into Microcenter or Best Buy fairly randomly and being able to buy one of these next generation cards off the shelf. I was not concerned about price then and I am even less concerned about price now because despite the price articles have been stating that the 'cards are selling well' so they are 1. selling and 2. in stock and 3. we still have 90 days to kill before Q4.
where is my cookie
and would me calling say 5 Best Buys randomly through out the country today make the above even more solid? or should I wait and do that 29 days from now instead?
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In my personal opinion Your definition of wide availabilty is complete bollocks. Just my 2 cents.
Go call the Best Buys, but double check twice that they didn't get sold as soon as you hanged up the phone.
In the meantime go to the damn nowinstock pages, and come back when the green color sticks for more than 1 work day, ...
the key here is random and how statistics work.
if I call 100 stores and ask them if they have the card randomly over 10 days that is better than calling 3 stores more than once to make sure they didnt sell out as soon as I hung up.
taking a class in statistics and actually paying attention in it can give one good life skills just sayin
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the nowinstock guys check with scripts and over the phone(social media, etc, ...), hundreds of times per day.
The Best Buy guys can tell you how many they have in what store in what part of the country, and so can every other company.
So stop writing filler nonsense, and come back when a green light for a 1080 stays up for more than 1 work day at whatever the inflated price it is, so we can meet half way, ...
I told him to pick a glance at the 1080 comments from nowinstock, because from 27,000 comments about 95% of the comments are people whining that they missed a card by seconds.
the nowinstock guys check with scripts and over the phone(social media, etc, ...), hundreds of times per day.
The Best Buy guys can tell you how many they have in what store in what part of the country, and so can every other company.
So stop writing filler nonsense, and come back when a green light for a 1080 stays up for more than 1 work day at whatever the inflated price it is, so we can meet half way, ...
oh for the love of f..
consider this:
Best Buy call number 1: yes its in stock now. Best Buy Call number 2: no its not in stock someone just bought it 5 mins ago
Is statistically the same if not better then calling one store twice.
also...are those 95% of comments no older than 1 week? because these changes in avaiablity have happened within the last 10 days. NOT the day it went on sale which I bet is many of those comments
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Well common sense tells me that when something is widely available, I'll have no problems picking the item up from multiple vendors, at or below MSRP
That's pretty much how I look at it as well. For me the easy litmus test of that is checking newegg and amazon. Once I can go there and find it in stock fairly consistently then that will work.
which is a good test to. reading the comments from 3 months ago however is questionable, but yeah. amazon is good, which by the way when I type in gtx 1080 or 1070 I am plastard with different options
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Well common sense tells me that when something is widely available, I'll have no problems picking the item up from multiple vendors, at or below MSRP
That's pretty much how I look at it as well. For me the easy litmus test of that is checking newegg and amazon. Once I can go there and find it in stock fairly consistently then that will work.
which is a good test to. reading the comments from 3 months ago however is questionable, but yeah. amazon is good, which by the way when I type in gtx 1080 or 1070 I am plastard with different options
Looking at Amazon.com, I've been able to count 14 cards nation wide. Personally I wouldn't classify that as widely available.
Well common sense tells me that when something is widely available, I'll have no problems picking the item up from multiple vendors, at or below MSRP
That's pretty much how I look at it as well. For me the easy litmus test of that is checking newegg and amazon. Once I can go there and find it in stock fairly consistently then that will work.
which is a good test to. reading the comments from 3 months ago however is questionable, but yeah. amazon is good, which by the way when I type in gtx 1080 or 1070 I am plastard with different options
Looking at Amazon.com, I've been able to count 14 cards nation wide. Personally I wouldn't classify that as widely available.
I did the same thing and I counted 'X only available' to be considerably more than 14. Lets keep doing that over and over again thru out the day and see if that number ever hits zero.
reason I say that is because I have seen that on common products that are well into their lifespan so not sure if that is a marketing poly or not or if they can keep the supply chain running just as fast as people can buy them
ever think about that?
random example: Wagan 2577 Personal Fridge/Warmer - 7L Capactity by Wagan
'only 16 in left in stock'
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Of course they are sold out. Producing a limited supply for release is pure marketing gold. It not only helps justify an already outrageous price, but even allows for some nice additional price gouging to boot.
AMD might well help the GTX 1070/1080 be in stock sooner than they otherwise would have. Compared to 28 nm cards as they were priced in mid-May, a GTX 1070 for $450 is an excellent value. If it's only 20% faster than a Radeon RX 480 for $200, then $450 is a tough sell. And if it's no faster than a higher clocked Radeon RX 480 for $300, then even $380 for a non-founders edition card relegates the GTX 1070 to mere fanboy bait. We'll have to see how the RX 480 compares when reviews are out tomorrow.
In order for a GTX 1070 to be reasonable at $380, it doesn't just need to be faster than a $200 card. It needs to be a lot faster. Performance per dollar often tends to drop as you go toward higher end cards, so it doesn't need to be 90% faster to be reasonable. 50% probably gets it done, or at least would if there were any GTX 1070s available for $380. But 20% faster doesn't.
AMD might well help the GTX 1070/1080 be in stock sooner than they otherwise would have. Compared to 28 nm cards as they were priced in mid-May, a GTX 1070 for $450 is an excellent value. If it's only 20% faster than a Radeon RX 480 for $200, then $450 is a tough sell. And if it's no faster than a higher clocked Radeon RX 480 for $300, then even $380 for a non-founders edition card relegates the GTX 1070 to mere fanboy bait. We'll have to see how the RX 480 compares when reviews are out tomorrow.
In order for a GTX 1070 to be reasonable at $380, it doesn't just need to be faster than a $200 card. It needs to be a lot faster. Performance per dollar often tends to drop as you go toward higher end cards, so it doesn't need to be 90% faster to be reasonable. 50% probably gets it done, or at least would if there were any GTX 1070s available for $380. But 20% faster doesn't.
Hey Quiz, long time fan. Dumb question. I just built a new Intel machine, if tomorrow it's looking like the RX480 is the winner how is it's compatibility with intel machines? I've ALWAYS had an Nvidia card... ever since Voodoo 2.
AMD might well help the GTX 1070/1080 be in stock sooner than they otherwise would have. Compared to 28 nm cards as they were priced in mid-May, a GTX 1070 for $450 is an excellent value. If it's only 20% faster than a Radeon RX 480 for $200, then $450 is a tough sell. And if it's no faster than a higher clocked Radeon RX 480 for $300, then even $380 for a non-founders edition card relegates the GTX 1070 to mere fanboy bait. We'll have to see how the RX 480 compares when reviews are out tomorrow.
In order for a GTX 1070 to be reasonable at $380, it doesn't just need to be faster than a $200 card. It needs to be a lot faster. Performance per dollar often tends to drop as you go toward higher end cards, so it doesn't need to be 90% faster to be reasonable. 50% probably gets it done, or at least would if there were any GTX 1070s available for $380. But 20% faster doesn't.
Hey Quiz, long time fan. Dumb question. I just built a new Intel machine, if tomorrow it's looking like the RX480 is the winner how is it's compatibility with intel machines? I've ALWAYS had an Nvidia card... ever since Voodoo 2.
Thanks if you're able to answer my question :-)
AMD GPUs are just as compatible with Intel CPUs as Nvidia GPUs. The same is true if you go with an AMD CPU instead of Intel, unless you're using integrated graphics. PCI Express is an industry standard, with the point being that if you're getting a discrete video card, your choice of the video card can be independent of your choice of CPU, allowing you to mix and match whatever you want freely, at least if you disregard very old platforms that didn't support PCI Express.
Awesome thanks Quiz! I just got myself a 6700k and I wanted to upgrade the graphics card as I'm still on a MSI gtx970. Trying to see what I can do about upgrading it and it's looking like waiting and seeing is a good plan.
It's not a wise idea to call a brick and mortar store asking if something is available. Especially a corporate chain. Chances are they want to get your butt in the story to sell you on "alternatives". When you can get it for MSRP its widely available. I think that's pretty common knowledge.
You can absolutely buy a 1080 at will right now on Amazon from a myriad of vendors, however you're going to pay 100-150 over MSRP. However that number was 200 and about 250 over MSRP 1 and respectively 2 weeks ago.
Once again, >>my<< initial prediction was end of July, August at the latest. Things are absolutely on track for that.
Once again, I will eat crow if I am wrong, however I doubt i'll be eating any crow any time soon.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Newegg still has no stock of 1080's. FE prices are nearing MSRP - some are there, some are $50 over. 3rd party cards are still well above their MSRP, running anywhere from $640-800 still.
1070's are mostly in stock now, with some select models on backorder. All versions are averaging at or over MSRP ($450-500).
AMD 480's are all out of stock. Prices are starting to creep up past MSRP - most are still at the $230 mark, but a few are listing at $250+
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Or just check the actual situation on these 2 links like all the people who managed to get their 1080s/1070s do, ...
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/
There's 27,000 comments on the 1080 page alone, so i guess nowinstock does work.
there is a couple of hundred 1080s and 1070s flowing into US every week. It's just a race in time patience and reflexes to actually get one (check how many minutes after a link goes green, or someone posts does someone else put a sad smiley because they were to slow)
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What would happen is if u called the best buy and they told you, yes we have in stock in this shop in this county in this state, and you were hypothetically 5 mins away.
By time u got dressed sat in your car and went to buy it, there would be no 1080 to buy, ...
And for your information, the price is very much related to any prediction about wide availability whether you refuse to accept it or not.
Once there is >10 cards of any type in a shop at <20% over MSRP price, for more than 48 hours, that is what constitutes into wide availability.
'I bet that before Q4 i could walk into a store like Microcenter or Best Buy fairly randomly and pick up a next generation card' I was told that is unlikely.
I never addressed cost and cost does not affect my statement in anyway even more so
when articles has stated 'the cards are selling better than expected' which is something I have said about 5 times now and ignored 5 times now
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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1 month has passed and there has not been a single place which has had even 1 card in stock for a full work day, which is exactly what i predicted.
Whether my prediction about the slight uptake during 3rd week of july and onward is true, we still need to wait and see.
Double checked i wrote on may 8th, and i predicted slight uptake mid-july and ramp-up mid-august, thus a miracle availability from 3rd week of july, and a more realistic availability from 3rd week of august.
where is my cookie
and would me calling say 5 Best Buys randomly through out the country today make the above even more solid? or should I wait and do that 29 days from now instead?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Go call the Best Buys, but double check twice that they didn't get sold as soon as you hanged up the phone.
In the meantime go to the damn nowinstock pages, and come back when the green color sticks for more than 1 work day, ...
if I call 100 stores and ask them if they have the card randomly over 10 days that is better than calling 3 stores more than once to make sure they didnt sell out as soon as I hung up.
taking a class in statistics and actually paying attention in it can give one good life skills
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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the nowinstock guys check with scripts and over the phone(social media, etc, ...), hundreds of times per day.
The Best Buy guys can tell you how many they have in what store in what part of the country, and so can every other company.
So stop writing filler nonsense, and come back when a green light for a 1080 stays up for more than 1 work day at whatever the inflated price it is, so we can meet half way, ...
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
consider this:
Best Buy call number 1: yes its in stock now.
Best Buy Call number 2: no its not in stock someone just bought it 5 mins ago
Is statistically the same if not better then calling one store twice.
also...are those 95% of comments no older than 1 week? because these changes in avaiablity have happened within the last 10 days. NOT the day it went on sale which I bet is many of those comments
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"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
reason I say that is because I have seen that on common products that are well into their lifespan so not sure if that is a marketing poly or not or if they can keep the supply chain running just as fast as people can buy them
ever think about that?
random example:
Wagan 2577 Personal Fridge/Warmer - 7L Capactity by Wagan
'only 16 in left in stock'
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go back and double check that please
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In order for a GTX 1070 to be reasonable at $380, it doesn't just need to be faster than a $200 card. It needs to be a lot faster. Performance per dollar often tends to drop as you go toward higher end cards, so it doesn't need to be 90% faster to be reasonable. 50% probably gets it done, or at least would if there were any GTX 1070s available for $380. But 20% faster doesn't.
Dumb question. I just built a new Intel machine, if tomorrow it's looking like the RX480 is the winner how is it's compatibility with intel machines? I've ALWAYS had an Nvidia card... ever since Voodoo 2.
Thanks if you're able to answer my question :-)
You're the man!
When you can get it for MSRP its widely available. I think that's pretty common knowledge.
You can absolutely buy a 1080 at will right now on Amazon from a myriad of vendors, however you're going to pay 100-150 over MSRP. However that number was 200 and about 250 over MSRP 1 and respectively 2 weeks ago.
Once again, >>my<< initial prediction was end of July, August at the latest. Things are absolutely on track for that.
Once again, I will eat crow if I am wrong, however I doubt i'll be eating any crow any time soon.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Newegg still has no stock of 1080's. FE prices are nearing MSRP - some are there, some are $50 over. 3rd party cards are still well above their MSRP, running anywhere from $640-800 still.
1070's are mostly in stock now, with some select models on backorder. All versions are averaging at or over MSRP ($450-500).
AMD 480's are all out of stock. Prices are starting to creep up past MSRP - most are still at the $230 mark, but a few are listing at $250+