This can't be true

Amathe

This weekend I decided to give ESO a try. There seemed to be a lot of things to like about the game, but I will never experience them. Because something that has been present in the other dozen or so mmorpgs I have played seems absent here:

The ability to click on images on the screen to cast spells.

Try as I might, the game seems to be oriented to good typists or to people with a mouse that has 50 programmable buttons.

I am not a skilled typist and my mouse has 4 buttons - 5 including the wheel (which is more than I want). 

I never knew this was an issue. I have been clicking abilities on my screen since 2002. 

Am I missing something? Why did they do this?

Oh, and to any who may say Learn to Type or Get a Better Mouse, I have not needed to do either of those things from original Everquest forward. And I am having no difficulty playing other games today.

tawess

i assume you are talking about not being able to click a action bar... 

Well have you looked in to keyboard shortcuts. like q for skill 1 and w for skill 2 and so on. 

being a clicker is a bad habit unless you only have one hand. 

Amathe

I am talking about what I said I am talking about ...

Yes you can key bind. And for some people that may be great. But I don't want to play a game where I am not allowed to set up action bars and click them. 

Millions and millions of people play the way I play. It's not a defect or disease. 

EpicJohnson

Game plays like an fps not a tab-target clicker game.

Kayo83

Its just not a combat designed for clicking. Sort of... they probably could just as well make it a tab-target game instead of the FPS-select thing they have now but... /shrug. Maybe has something to do with consoles but theyre on their own servers so it wouldnt even imbalance things. Still, its like 5 or 6 shortcuts + block and attack ... you really want to click block and for every swing of the sword?

brihtwulf

Don't take what he said personally.  I'm pretty sure he's just saying that it's not really a big deal to learn to press number keys instead of clicking the picture of the ability/spell.  I used to prefer the same thing when I started in MMO's, but I think it's a far less effective or efficient way to play (especially with the more fast-paces MMO's coming around now).  But I do see your frustration in not wanting to be forced to play a certain way.

But you may be right that they haven't included that control scheme.  I honestly haven't checked to see if games do it anymore since I've played the original EQ.  I'm not sure if there is a workaround for that if that's the case.  I suppose you could play with a controller instead?  Not sure if you are okay with that, but it's about the only other option I can think of if there's no setting to allow for mouse clicks on abilities.

baphamet

so you use no hot buttons? if that's the case then IMO you should stay away from games with more action style combat like ESO and especially stay away from competitive play like pvp and competitive pve because you are gimping yourself. 

i wouldn't say millions and millions of people refuse to use hotkeys like you, i would say you are in the vast minority.  i agree with the other poster that it is a bad habit, even if you are not good at it you should think about learning to use hotkeys to improve your overall mmo playing skill.

Uhwop

You expect every game to play just like CoH, or think that there is only one way an MMO should be made to play? 

This is what the devs of ESO were talking about, early on, when they made the decision to alter the way that the game would play (away from the familiar ES fps style) because they thought that if it wasn't more like a tab target system people who play MMORPGs wouldn't understand it.  

Games don't improve and innovate when they cater to only one demographic, thankfully they're figuring this out and the OP isn't the only one getting MMORPGs that they enjoy playing. 
 

alakram

It's an action combat game, like it or not, There is nothing more to it.

Iselin

It's been a while since I've personally played a MMORPG that allowed that style of game play.

I know it was always there in the older MMOs but I can't think of a any new ones where clicking on hotbar icons was either the default or optional way to play it since they've all gone to a more "action" oriented style where left and right mouse clicks are bound to their own abilities.

Amathe

brihtwulf said:

Don't take what he said personally.  I'm pretty sure he's just saying that it's not really a big deal to learn to press number keys instead of clicking the picture of the ability/spell.  I used to prefer the same thing when I started in MMO's, but I think it's a far less effective or efficient way to play (especially with the more fast-paces MMO's coming around now).  But I do see your frustration in not wanting to be forced to play a certain way.

But you may be right that they haven't included that control scheme.  I honestly haven't checked to see if games do it anymore since I've played the original EQ.  I'm not sure if there is a workaround for that if that's the case.  I suppose you could play with a controller instead?  Not sure if you are okay with that, but it's about the only other option I can think of if there's no setting to allow for mouse clicks on abilities.

I appreciate that you are trying to be helpful, and I thank you. But again, I did not just get started playing mmorpgs. I have been playing them continuously since February 2002. And every single one of them has allowed for clickable action bars until I got to ESO. 

My main reason for posting was to see if there was some button or command I overlooked that would allow me to play in the manner I am accustomed. Doesn't look like there is.

SpottyGekko

Realised with a shock that I couldn't actually remember if ESO has toolbar icons ! :surprised: 

Now I'm all patched-up and about to re-acquaint myself with a world I've ignored for far too long, lol

natpick

being a clicker is a bad habit unless you only have one hand. 

please expalin why and who decided clicking is a bad habit please,i have a dodgy left arm so forced to click to a certain degree and its never hindered me,i got grand marshal as a hunter in wow vanilla using mostly clicking so again why is it so bad?and fyi iam able to keybind and own a logitech g510 which able me to have countless macros but again its a play style thing as much as having a gimpy arm.

baphamet

Iselin said:

It's been a while since I've personally played a MMORPG that allowed that style of game play.

I know it was always there in the older MMOs but I can't think of a any new ones where clicking on hotbar icons was either the default or optional way to play it since they've all gone to a more "action" oriented style where left and right mouse clicks are bound to their own abilities.

i think pantheon might be an mmo the OP can play when that comes out but other than that i think you are right, i can't think of any newer ones because they mostly have action based combat systems.

Sovrath

Amathe said:

I have been clicking abilities on my screen since 2002. 

As others have said, it's a more action combat setup. Just a different type of game. 

Others complained of the same thing in Tera. It is what it is. No reason every game should be the same.

tawess

You did not miss anything Amathe. You are very much out of luck with ESO. (as far as i remember) 

Amathe

Iselin said:

It's been a while since I've personally played a MMORPG that allowed that style of game play.

I know it was always there in the older MMOs but I can't think of a any new ones where clicking on hotbar icons was either the default or optional way to play it since they've all gone to a more "action" oriented style where left and right mouse clicks are bound to their own abilities.

Out of curiosity, what mmorpg besides ESO lacks clickable action bars? I am not talking about MOBAs and their ilk. 

Amathe

tawess said:

You did not miss anything Amathe. You are very much out of luck with ESO. (as far as i remember) 

Thanks. That actually helps. At least now I don't have to worry that I could have enjoyed the game if only I have made one menu selection that I overlooked. 

Iselin

To the best of my memory, Secret World, Neverwinter, GW2, BDO, Archeage... I think Rift and SWTOR were the last two I played that did have it as an option.

But then, I broke that habit many years ago even in games where you can click abilities by using multi-button mice so I might be misremembering.

Gdemami

....there are people out there that click on icons?

This can't be true!

baphamet

natpick said:

being a clicker is a bad habit unless you only have one hand. 

please expalin why and who decided clicking is a bad habit please,i have a dodgy left arm so forced to click to a certain degree and its never hindered me,i got grand marshal as a hunter in wow vanilla using mostly clicking so again why is it so bad?and fyi iam able to keybind and own a logitech g510 which able me to have countless macros but again its a play style thing as much as having a gimpy arm.

first of all, getting grand marshall back in vanilla wow was strictly a time sink and not based on skill. you could have done that easily running AV night and day while being semi-afk the whole time.

but to answer your question, mouse clicking simply isnt as efficient as button clicking. especially in wow when you use right click to straf(sp?) around and get away from people quicker than just walking backwards.

if it is a medical issue then that's understandable but someone who is capable but is just set in their ways and doesn't want to learn how to utilize hotkeys? i think they are just hindering themselves.

Kayo83

Amathe said:

Out of curiosity, what mmorpg besides ESO lacks clickable action bars? I am not talking about MOBAs and their ilk. 

Off the top of my head avoid BDO, TERA, Blade and Soul, Secret World, and Wildstar. I think AoC had aiming too though im not 100% sure on that one.

Forgrimm

Kayo83 said:

Amathe said:

Out of curiosity, what mmorpg besides ESO lacks clickable action bars? I am not talking about MOBAs and their ilk. 

Off the top of my head avoid BDO, TERA, Blade and Soul, Secret World, and Wildstar. I think AoC had aiming too though im not 100% sure on that one.

DCUO as well.

Sid_Vicious

Not sure how one plays an Elder Scrolls game expecting to be able to click on the skills like in Everquest... haven't you played any of their other games? They are insanely popular..

Kajidourden

Wow...talk about petty.  QQ moar

Amathe

Forgrimm said:

Kayo83 said:

Amathe said:

Out of curiosity, what mmorpg besides ESO lacks clickable action bars? I am not talking about MOBAs and their ilk. 

Off the top of my head avoid BDO, TERA, Blade and Soul, Secret World, and Wildstar. I think AoC had aiming too though im not 100% sure on that one.

DCUO as well.

Of those, I have played the Secret World, and it did have clickable action bars.