Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.
This.
This is not what we should all do, not in the slightest, that is what police are for, no citizen should be putting others at risk by taking part in a high speed chase through crowded streets. Especially if it's over a replaceable object...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.
This.
This is not what we should all do, not in the slightest, that is what police are for, no citizen should be putting others at risk by taking part in a high speed chase through crowded streets. Especially if it's over a replaceable object...
Spiderman Let the guy robbing the wrestling match get away, and uncle ben died for it.
"Peter, please remember this, with great power comes great electricity bill.."
And so, peter decided to buy Intel I3 4130 instead of AMD FX 9590 CPU...
Wait, what..!?
Except the i3 is a toaster, and the 9590 isn't
Like the previous saying goes, all that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. So the guy was stealing a motorcycle, no idea what he was going to do with it, or who might have been hurt or the numbers killed in the process of whatever actions would have resulted from the guy stealing the motorcycle, the comparison to the spiderman thing where peter parker steps aside and lets the robber go past unhindered, is a good example of how badly things can go, when ostensibly good people do nothing, in the case of peter parker, his uncle was killed by his inaction, except that wasn't the end of it, the guy went on to continue his crime spree before peter parker eventually caught up to him again and put an end to his criminal career a bit more permanently, if unintentionally, just think, if peter parker had not stood aside and done nothing, he might have got hurt, but his uncle would be alive, the thief would have been behind bars, and not yet another corpse. Doing something, was a sign that the guy had good moral fiber, was he a hero, i don't know, maybe he was, as heroism comes in many forms, but either way, the world would be a much better place if fewer people stood aside and did nothing, the guy died, which is a terrible thing in itself, but how many people didn't die because of it?
Spiderman Let the guy robbing the wrestling match get away, and uncle ben died for it.
"Peter, please remember this, with great power comes great electricity bill.."
And so, peter decided to buy Intel I3 4130 instead of AMD FX 9590 CPU...
Wait, what..!?
Except the i3 is a toaster, and the 9590 isn't
Like the previous saying goes, all that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. So the guy was stealing a motorcycle, no idea what he was going to do with it, or who might have been hurt or the numbers killed in the process of whatever actions would have resulted from the guy stealing the motorcycle, the comparison to the spiderman thing where peter parker steps aside and lets the robber go past unhindered, is a good example of how badly things can go, when ostensibly good people do nothing, in the case of peter parker, his uncle was killed by his inaction, except that wasn't the end of it, the guy went on to continue his crime spree before peter parker eventually caught up to him again and put an end to his criminal career a bit more permanently, if unintentionally, just think, if peter parker had not stood aside and done nothing, he might have got hurt, but his uncle would be alive, the thief would have been behind bars, and not yet another corpse. Doing something, was a sign that the guy had good moral fiber, was he a hero, i don't know, maybe he was, as heroism comes in many forms, but either way, the world would be a much better place if fewer people stood aside and did nothing, the guy died, which is a terrible thing in itself, but how many people didn't die because of it?
If society had more of an assault on one is an assault on all then maybe criminals would fear attacking people on the streets.
Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.
This.
This is not what we should all do, not in the slightest, that is what police are for, no citizen should be putting others at risk by taking part in a high speed chase through crowded streets. Especially if it's over a replaceable object...
do we know he put others at risk?
Considering he lost control and wrecked... yes... this was not a life or death situation, this was a needless death over something that isn't important enough to risk one's or anyone else's life for.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lol, so much drama. Calling the guy a hero for doing what we all "should" do is a bit much. Whether his specific actions, the pursuing and possibly endangering others, were wrong or right is not the point, he was a good and caring citizen. We don't have many of those anymore, anywhere. People would rather get out their phone and record an altercation so they can put it up on youtube or some other social media source for some fake attention.
This.
This is not what we should all do, not in the slightest, that is what police are for, no citizen should be putting others at risk by taking part in a high speed chase through crowded streets. Especially if it's over a replaceable object...
do we know he put others at risk?
Considering he lost control and wrecked... yes... this was not a life or death situation, this was a needless death over something that isn't important enough to risk one's or anyone else's life for.
He could have been on a empty street. Instead you assumed...and the first three letters of that word is what you make of yourself when you do.
Considering he lost control and wrecked... yes... this was not a life or death situation, this was a needless death over something that isn't important enough to risk one's or anyone else's life for.
He could have been on a empty street. Instead you assumed...and the first three letters of that word is what you make of yourself when you do.
IF you're going to commit to such an act, you're committing to every risk involved in such an act. Empty road or not ( which is unlikely in china) anyone can pull onto that road at anytime. Driving fast on any road is putting people at risk.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Considering he lost control and wrecked... yes... this was not a life or death situation, this was a needless death over something that isn't important enough to risk one's or anyone else's life for.
He could have been on a empty street. Instead you assumed...and the first three letters of that word is what you make of yourself when you do.
IF you're going to commit to such an act, you're committing to every risk involved in such an act. Empty road or not ( which is unlikely in china) anyone can pull onto that road at anytime. Driving fast on any road is putting people at risk.
1 you assume traffic in the area...many thefts and robberies are committed when not a lot of people are around....thus do not walk alone down dark allys.
2 you assume "chase" means high speed. If it is heavy traffic like you assume then it is very hard to go high speed. a motorcycle wreck at 35 into a wall can kill if you hit right.
3 those that surrender their security to others deserve no security.
Sounds like some guy who saw way too many action movies to me. Risking your life to chase a guy who stole a bike seems foolish, not heroic to me. If he charged some terrorist firing and AK-47 into a crowd or something that would be one thing, but this guy got himself killed over a bike..
I agree with this.
If we elevate people who try to stop a motorbike to heroes, then we'll just teach the next idiot to emulate his behavior and there will be more lives lost for no good reason.
In the words of Dhalsim:
-If good men do nothing, that is evil enough. (Street FIghter movie)
A lovely spin on: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke
I really like that quote but in this case he should have called the cops and let professionals handle it. Like some others said it's not like it was a life or death moment where he rushed into a burning building to save some kid that would burn to death before the proper authorities got there.
Tha quote should be followed up with "Evil triumphs when good people act stupidly".
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
IF you're going to commit to such an act, you're committing to every risk involved in such an act. Empty road or not ( which is unlikely in china) anyone can pull onto that road at anytime. Driving fast on any road is putting people at risk.
1 you assume traffic in the area...many thefts and robberies are committed when not a lot of people are around....thus do not walk alone down dark allys.
2 you assume "chase" means high speed. If it is heavy traffic like you assume then it is very hard to go high speed. a motorcycle wreck at 35 into a wall can kill if you hit right.
3 those that surrender their security to others deserve no security.
He wrecked and died that says speed was likely a factor even on a motorcycle. LOL at that last line...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Sometimes its best to allow law enforcement to do what's needed. Causing someone's death because you decided to be a vigilante..isn't something I'd want to live with for the rest of my life.
Again -- the guy chasing the thief is the one who died. The thief was caught as a result of his actions. Stopping someone from committing a crime isn't being a "vigilante", it's called being a compassionate human being.
Still a dangerous thing to do..again leave it to law enforcement. Some thieves carry weapons. What do you do when you catch a thief as an ordinary citizen? Kind of like a dog chasing a car, when he catches it then what? This guy as you said...died. Yeah some might call that heroic...at the same time it was an unfortunate way to lose one's life...over a thief. I'm sad for his family and friends. One's life is more valuable than any thief or any piece of road equipment.
IF you're going to commit to such an act, you're committing to every risk involved in such an act. Empty road or not ( which is unlikely in china) anyone can pull onto that road at anytime. Driving fast on any road is putting people at risk.
1 you assume traffic in the area...many thefts and robberies are committed when not a lot of people are around....thus do not walk alone down dark allys.
2 you assume "chase" means high speed. If it is heavy traffic like you assume then it is very hard to go high speed. a motorcycle wreck at 35 into a wall can kill if you hit right.
3 those that surrender their security to others deserve no security.
He wrecked and died that says speed was likely a factor even on a motorcycle. LOL at that last line...
as I said...even slow speeds on a motorcycle can kill if you hit just right, not wearing a helmet, hit a solid object. You can die on a bicycle falling off it and hitting your head.
as I said...even slow speeds on a motorcycle can kill if you hit just right, not wearing a helmet, hit a solid object. You can die on a bicycle falling off it and hitting your head.
You're missing the forest for the trees, no matter how you want to justify this guys actions, there were better ways to handle this than putting his or anyone else's life at risk. A bike (of any kind) simply isn't worth it, that's all I am saying, this is not something that should be encouraged.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
as I said...even slow speeds on a motorcycle can kill if you hit just right, not wearing a helmet, hit a solid object. You can die on a bicycle falling off it and hitting your head.
You're missing the forest for the trees, no matter how you want to justify this guys actions, there were better ways to handle this than putting his or anyone else's life at risk. A bike (of any kind) simply isn't worth it, that's all I am saying, this is not something that should be encouraged.
I disagree. It is up the individual to decide the worth and accept the costs of the risk. Be they punishments if others get hurt or injuries to themselves.
Right, because you push it even further - everyone acting beyond just calling police is a fool.
Got it.
You know I have had over my lifetime..several occasions to call the police..a drunk beating on his girlfriend in the suite below me..bouncing her off the walls. I called the cops, he was hauled away to the drunk tank. A few days later I got a thank you card..from the couple below me. It all ended well, and everyone was thankful it did. There is no need in most cases to get physically involved. Call 911...period. Medical emergencies same thing unless you know first aid (I do), then you make them comfortable with your coat, a blanket whatever you have...know CPR do that. First things first call 911. Use your head.
I think the impulse is to do something when one sees a crime being committed or about to be committed. Just remember you're throwing yourself into a situation with a lot of unknowns. Sometimes especially over property the best thing to do is to pull out your phone and hit the record video button, especially if it's over property and you have no formal training in dealing with such situations. Just jump on the phone and call the law.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Considering he lost control and wrecked... yes... this was not a life or death situation, this was a needless death over something that isn't important enough to risk one's or anyone else's life for.
He could have been on a empty street. Instead you assumed...and the first three letters of that word is what you make of yourself when you do.
IF you're going to commit to such an act, you're committing to every risk involved in such an act. Empty road or not ( which is unlikely in china) anyone can pull onto that road at anytime. Driving fast on any road is putting people at risk.
1 you assume traffic in the area...many thefts and robberies are committed when not a lot of people are around....thus do not walk alone down dark allys.
2 you assume "chase" means high speed. If it is heavy traffic like you assume then it is very hard to go high speed. a motorcycle wreck at 35 into a wall can kill if you hit right.
3 those that surrender their security to others deserve no security.
Ohh oh here comes the ones with the guns :P There is a lot of assuming going on in your postings too. Assuming that others don't help in emergency situations is one of those, and most chases do go at a good clip..I have seen a few ..(not on tv). :P
DMKano said:
Nothing is worth dying for a motorcycle.
He didn't die for a motorcycle, he died for not being careless.
That goes back to my point you say you are not making...
Oh yes he did. Motorcycle was stolen, he decided to go after the thief and died.
If the theft of the motorcycle never occurred he would most likely still be alive today.
He lost his life over a motorcycle. It's sad.
Fireman runs into a fire to look for people and dies. I guess to you he died by running into a fire instead of died trying to save others....there is a difference.
The reason he did it is more important than the consequences. Just like calling some one not a hero for getting captured. It does not diminish the reason someone fights for their country or in trying to stop a thief.
DMKano said:
Nothing is worth dying for a motorcycle.
He didn't die for a motorcycle, he died for not being careless.
That goes back to my point you say you are not making...
I'd say he died from being careless and acting on impulse. There are situations that warrant throwing oneself into harms way, there are situations that do not. Putting yourself at risk in order to save a life is understandable, putting yourself at risk to save a lifeless object, not so much. A bike or a thief being caught are not worth a life on any scale I'm aware of.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
do we know he put others at risk?
Like the previous saying goes, all that Evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. So the guy was stealing a motorcycle, no idea what he was going to do with it, or who might have been hurt or the numbers killed in the process of whatever actions would have resulted from the guy stealing the motorcycle, the comparison to the spiderman thing where peter parker steps aside and lets the robber go past unhindered, is a good example of how badly things can go, when ostensibly good people do nothing, in the case of peter parker, his uncle was killed by his inaction, except that wasn't the end of it, the guy went on to continue his crime spree before peter parker eventually caught up to him again and put an end to his criminal career a bit more permanently, if unintentionally, just think, if peter parker had not stood aside and done nothing, he might have got hurt, but his uncle would be alive, the thief would have been behind bars, and not yet another corpse.
Doing something, was a sign that the guy had good moral fiber, was he a hero, i don't know, maybe he was, as heroism comes in many forms, but either way, the world would be a much better place if fewer people stood aside and did nothing, the guy died, which is a terrible thing in itself, but how many people didn't die because of it?
If society had more of an assault on one is an assault on all then maybe criminals would fear attacking people on the streets.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
He could have been on a empty street. Instead you assumed...and the first three letters of that word is what you make of yourself when you do.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
1 you assume traffic in the area...many thefts and robberies are committed when not a lot of people are around....thus do not walk alone down dark allys.
2 you assume "chase" means high speed. If it is heavy traffic like you assume then it is very hard to go high speed. a motorcycle wreck at 35 into a wall can kill if you hit right.
3 those that surrender their security to others deserve no security.
I really like that quote but in this case he should have called the cops and let professionals handle it. Like some others said it's not like it was a life or death moment where he rushed into a burning building to save some kid that would burn to death before the proper authorities got there.
Tha quote should be followed up with "Evil triumphs when good people act stupidly".
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
as I said...even slow speeds on a motorcycle can kill if you hit just right, not wearing a helmet, hit a solid object. You can die on a bicycle falling off it and hitting your head.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I disagree. It is up the individual to decide the worth and accept the costs of the risk. Be they punishments if others get hurt or injuries to themselves.
That goes back to my point you say you are not making...
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Fireman runs into a fire to look for people and dies. I guess to you he died by running into a fire instead of died trying to save others....there is a difference.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Where the heck do you base all those assumption on, and even put them as something factual and automatic to make such claims?