Fireman runs into a fire to look for people and dies. I guess to you he died by running into a fire instead of died trying to save others....there is a difference.
Yes a Fireman would be trying to save a life, he wouldn't run in to save your PC...
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Distopia said:
Right, because arguing points that are not there is the way to go... not
That is an entire point here. People making completely unfounded assumptions about being reckless, high speed, endangering others, etc
They make those assumption so automatic that they use them to construct an argument that the bike is not worth to die for.
Like it was said before, you do not know what will happen. You do not know who the thief is and what he is going to do, what will happen next. The thief could just as well be a junkie or some drunk who could as well harm way more people if he wasn't stopped by someone who got enough courage to act.
Distopia said:
Right, because arguing points that are not there is the way to go... not
That is an entire point here. People making completely unfounded assumptions about being reckless, high speed, endangering others, etc
They make those assumption so automatic that they use them to construct an argument that the bike is not worth to die for.
Like it was said before, you do not know what will happen. You do not know who the thief is and what he is going to do, what will happen next. The thief could just as well be a junkie or some drunk who could as well harm way more people if he wasn't stopped by someone who got enough courage to act.
A bike is NEVER worth dying for...and assuming anything about the person you have decided to chase is also dangerous..and not well thought out. Being a "hero" for 20 minutes isn't worth dying for...using your head, calling 911...and giving a description of the thief, what direction he was heading would be more helpful and bonus...you get to live. :P
A more detailed account (summarised) of this tragic event from Chinese news source might give a better insight of the actual situation:
1. The entire incident occured during daytime (before 4pm) inside the 160 hectare main campus of Guangdong University of Technology.
2. A number of students became aware of the theft and communicate through mobile social apps, giving location where they spotted the thief's movement through the campus. Witnesses later alleged that this is not the first time the thief has stole from the campus.
3. The deceased "hero" Wu was alerted by those messages and began to chase the thief on foot. He eventually met a fellow student, Xie who was riding a motorbike. Xie agreed to give chase together with Wu riding in the back.
4. During the collision on a campus lane, both the thief and Xie was only slighty injured but Wu was thrown off from the bike into a tree. He died from serious head and chest injuries in the hospital 3 hours later.
5. Some of his friends who were also involved in the chase said that they took matters in their own hands because the police failed to catch the thief even though their made a few prior reports. "We only mean to corner the thief, but he made a sudden turn..." he alleged.
5. Wu was described as a "good kid" with a "passionate heart", always willing to help others.
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Cendharia said:
...and assuming anything about the person you have decided to chase is also dangerous..and not well thought out.
Well, that is the entire point of courage and heroism - taking a risk, stand up in dangerous situations.
Again, he did not die for a bike but for not being careless. (just making the point, I have no idea what has happened)
Taking a calculated risk..KNOWING that you are on an even standing with the thief, KNOWING what to do IF you catch him...but that's no guarantee he doesn't have a knife or a gun to finish you off. Unless you are specialized in weapons, martial arts and what have you...the best option is like I stated before...calling 911 and giving all information you have on the perpetrator to the police. That way your family gets to see you around for a few more years. Life isn't a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie..I promise.
Cendharia said:
Taking a calculated risk..KNOWING that you are on an even standing with the thief, KNOWING what to do IF you catch him...but that's no guarantee he doesn't have a knife or a gun to finish you off. Unless you are specialized in weapons, martial arts and what have you...the best option is like I stated before...calling 911 and giving all information you have on the perpetrator to the police. That way your family gets to see you around for a few more years. Life isn't a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie..I promise.
Just read Cname's post above to see how off you are...just more silly assumptions on your end.
Cendharia said:
Taking a calculated risk..KNOWING that you are on an even standing with the thief, KNOWING what to do IF you catch him...but that's no guarantee he doesn't have a knife or a gun to finish you off. Unless you are specialized in weapons, martial arts and what have you...the best option is like I stated before...calling 911 and giving all information you have on the perpetrator to the police. That way your family gets to see you around for a few more years. Life isn't a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie..I promise.
Just read Cname's post above to see how off you are...just more silly assumptions on your end.
I've seen quite a few on your end. But you go ahead on a testosterone rush and interfere with thieves, without calling the cops, and see where it gets you. The rest that I see in this thread are attempting to show the logic of calling the cops and the illogic of running off to imitate Spider Man::P And more has been added to the story yes, he was on the back of someone's bike that was chasing this guy...so there were two on this particular bike. How does that equate to heroism? What about the guy that was driving this bike..hero? Or not so heroic, the way he was driving? It caused the guy on the back to be thrown off and die due to head injuries. Looks more like a thrill-seeking high speed chase...we are none of us immortal, it behooves us to consider consequences of what looks like to me, reckless behaviour.
After reading some of the comments, I just realize that soon enough , people will be sitting at a bar , and someone will just come and steal their *insert goods* phone from the table and run! He will then be like "nevermind! not worth the chase because X bad things might happen" !
As @SBFord said, it's not about the bike, it's about the principles!
Some other guy said that if someone is beaten and X comes and help the beated one, then that is an act of .. heroism , while chasing someone who just stolen a friend bike is not.
Let me ask you something, if you ignore chasing someone if he steals something from you, do you really can say , with a straight face , that you will do something if someone is beaten?! No! You will then say "not my problem!"
So yes! Any act of heroism is needed in today's world ! To to bad that the guy died! RIP!
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I see theres more me me me people in the world then I thought. The guy was DOING A GOOD DEED. He died doing it, that's very unfortunate, but the fact is he tried. We need more people like that, not these self serving assholes who only think of themselves. I sure hope someone would help me as I would them if I needed help.
Sometimes its best to allow law enforcement to do what's needed. Causing someone's death because you decided to be a vigilante..isn't something I'd want to live with for the rest of my life.
Again -- the guy chasing the thief is the one who died. The thief was caught as a result of his actions. Stopping someone from committing a crime isn't being a "vigilante", it's called being a compassionate human being.
Webster.com defines "Vigilante" as
"a person who is not a police officer but who tries to catch and punish criminals"
...given that he's not a police officer and he tried to catch a criminal, I'd say he fits the definition.
Also, there are reasons why convenience stores and banks always tell their employees to just give the robbers what they want and call the cops, rather than try to stop them.
And in any and every news article I've ever seen where a vigilante (or "a compassionate human being" if you will) tried to stop a criminal and a police officer was reached for comment, they'd always ask people not to emulate that behavior and just call the cops, because it puts everyone at heightened risks.
Personally, I think it's wiser to take the words of the professionals on this one.
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They make those assumption so automatic that they use them to construct an argument that the bike is not worth to die for.
Like it was said before, you do not know what will happen. You do not know who the thief is and what he is going to do, what will happen next. The thief could just as well be a junkie or some drunk who could as well harm way more people if he wasn't stopped by someone who got enough courage to act.
Again, he did not die for a bike but for not being careless.
(just making the point, I have no idea what has happened)
[mod edit]
1. The entire incident occured during daytime (before 4pm) inside the 160 hectare main campus of Guangdong University of Technology.
2. A number of students became aware of the theft and communicate through mobile social apps, giving location where they spotted the thief's movement through the campus. Witnesses later alleged that this is not the first time the thief has stole from the campus.
3. The deceased "hero" Wu was alerted by those messages and began to chase the thief on foot. He eventually met a fellow student, Xie who was riding a motorbike. Xie agreed to give chase together with Wu riding in the back.
4. During the collision on a campus lane, both the thief and Xie was only slighty injured but Wu was thrown off from the bike into a tree. He died from serious head and chest injuries in the hospital 3 hours later.
5. Some of his friends who were also involved in the chase said that they took matters in their own hands because the police failed to catch the thief even though their made a few prior reports. "We only mean to corner the thief, but he made a sudden turn..." he alleged.
5. Wu was described as a "good kid" with a "passionate heart", always willing to help others.
"A game is fun if it is learnable but not trivial" -- Togelius & Schmidhuber
As @SBFord said, it's not about the bike, it's about the principles!
Some other guy said that if someone is beaten and X comes and help the beated one, then that is an act of .. heroism , while chasing someone who just stolen a friend bike is not.
Let me ask you something, if you ignore chasing someone if he steals something from you, do you really can say , with a straight face , that you will do something if someone is beaten?! No! You will then say "not my problem!"
So yes! Any act of heroism is needed in today's world ! To to bad that the guy died! RIP!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
"a person who is not a police officer but who tries to catch and punish criminals"
...given that he's not a police officer and he tried to catch a criminal, I'd say he fits the definition.
Also, there are reasons why convenience stores and banks always tell their employees to just give the robbers what they want and call the cops, rather than try to stop them.
And in any and every news article I've ever seen where a vigilante (or "a compassionate human being" if you will) tried to stop a criminal and a police officer was reached for comment, they'd always ask people not to emulate that behavior and just call the cops, because it puts everyone at heightened risks.
Personally, I think it's wiser to take the words of the professionals on this one.