@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
More avenues than ever, yet they all do the same thing: Make crap games trying to suck up to EVERY type of gamer to get the highest cash grab before the mass exodus to the next game, all because they didn't focus on any one niche to have any sort of staying power, or make any notable mark for originality. I mean seriously, I can't argue that there are games like Black Desert that DO look visually appealing, yet I have games made by SSI from over 20 years ago that came on 3 floppy disks that have more actual content than the 4 dvd's worth of flash, glitter, and graphics of todays games.
Todays gamers suffer from Stockholm syndrome a bit, they don't even realize they are suffering and they thank developers for the "great job"
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
More avenues than ever, yet they all do the same thing: Make crap games trying to suck up to EVERY type of gamer to get the highest cash grab before the mass exodus to the next game, all because they didn't focus on any one niche to have any sort of staying power, or make any notable mark for originality. I mean seriously, I can't argue that there are games like Black Desert that DO look visually appealing, yet I have games made by SSI from over 20 years ago that came on 3 floppy disks that have more actual content than the 4 dvd's worth of flash, glitter, and graphics of todays games.
What makes you think BDO is short on content? Do you mean quests? It intentionally is short on quests. It's a sandboxy MMO.
There is much more to do every day when I log in then there was in any MMO I've ever played, and I have way more choices.
Endgame is GVG focused which is something people have been begging for for a long time, and it is indeed tons of fun.
BDO in particular is definitely not trying to appeal to "every type of gamer", although it should appeal to every serious MMORPG player.
Todays gamers suffer from Stockholm syndrome a bit, they don't even realize they are suffering and they thank developers for the "great job"
nah .. it is more like random people on the internet are suffering from delusion of grandeur, and think that they know what other people like better than those people.
Ya I am going to have to say that something different appeals to everyone. I hate action combat (Black Desert), hate FPSs (Overwatch), Hate MOBAs (Smite), and you guessed it, Hate CCGs (Hearthstone).
I am part of a dying breed of players who prefers the old fashion model of xp grinding using a puller, a tank, a healer, and some dps. That probably explains why I still play EQ1.
I like that type of game, too, but there's nothing available.
Have you tried the games I listed? If not, there's no harm in it, is there? You might find yourself branching out a bit and enjoying new things.
As for everyone else, I suppose it's possible for someone to have tried all the PC games and literally not like any of them, but I'd suggest that person probably just doesn't like video games to begin with.
@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
More avenues than ever, yet they all do the same thing: Make crap games trying to suck up to EVERY type of gamer to get the highest cash grab before the mass exodus to the next game, all because they didn't focus on any one niche to have any sort of staying power, or make any notable mark for originality. I mean seriously, I can't argue that there are games like Black Desert that DO look visually appealing, yet I have games made by SSI from over 20 years ago that came on 3 floppy disks that have more actual content than the 4 dvd's worth of flash, glitter, and graphics of todays games.
What makes you think BDO is short on content? Do you mean quests? It intentionally is short on quests. It's a sandboxy MMO.
There is much more to do every day when I log in then there was in any MMO I've ever played, and I have way more choices.
Endgame is GVG focused which is something people have been begging for for a long time, and it is indeed tons of fun.
BDO in particular is definitely not trying to appeal to "every type of gamer", although it should appeal to every serious MMORPG player.
Except if you check BDO's own forums, you don't find praises for being an MMO, you find multiple complaints of how lonely and single player driven it really is, which is the current trend with quite a few games. MMO's are dead, now you just get single player games with a built in instant messenger.
I'm all for the GVG, but very very VERY few games that have tried it have done it right. Also, I see more people that will crucify you for just saying 'PVP' than I've ever seen begging for it in any form, including GVG.
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@holdenhamlet can you explain what differentiates this "era" of PC gaming from the previous eras? What are the defining features of this era?
So far, this thread seems to have boiled down to "I really like some current games, therefore this must be the greatest era of pc gaming". Thats obviously an illogical statement, so I was wondering if you could provide further info of why this is the greatest era of pc gaming, beyond you simply liking the current crop of games?
Mostly the rise of steam and kickstarter. What inspired this thread wasn't so much BDO, but just the fact that every week there's something new and interesting going on.
There's more avenues than ever for small and big Dev teams to make games, and the market is as big as ever.
More avenues than ever, yet they all do the same thing: Make crap games trying to suck up to EVERY type of gamer to get the highest cash grab before the mass exodus to the next game, all because they didn't focus on any one niche to have any sort of staying power, or make any notable mark for originality. I mean seriously, I can't argue that there are games like Black Desert that DO look visually appealing, yet I have games made by SSI from over 20 years ago that came on 3 floppy disks that have more actual content than the 4 dvd's worth of flash, glitter, and graphics of todays games.
What makes you think BDO is short on content? Do you mean quests? It intentionally is short on quests. It's a sandboxy MMO.
There is much more to do every day when I log in then there was in any MMO I've ever played, and I have way more choices.
Endgame is GVG focused which is something people have been begging for for a long time, and it is indeed tons of fun.
BDO in particular is definitely not trying to appeal to "every type of gamer", although it should appeal to every serious MMORPG player.
Except if you check BDO's own forums, you don't find praises for being an MMO, you find multiple complaints of how lonely and single player driven it really is, which is the current trend with quite a few games. MMO's are dead, now you just get single player games with a built in instant messenger.
I'm all for the GVG, but very very VERY few games that have tried it have done it right. Also, I see more people that will crucify you for just saying 'PVP' than I've ever seen begging for it in any form, including GVG.
How do you explain that I've spent more time with my guild in BDO in the past week then I have in any MMO in probably the past 5 years?
The only thing it's missing group-wise is dungeons, but seriously, the game is better off without them. Queuing into dungeons and burning through them with random people you probably don't even talk to is not exactly what I would call "interesting group content".
But if that's the only "content" that counts as content to you, then yeah, BDO doesn't have much (none, actually).
LOL @queuing into dungeons! That's so..... trendy. Queuing, instances, phasing, etc. are all modern ideas invented by lazy developers to help cater to the same people that would ragequit the moment pvp or 'contested' is mentioned in any forms, which is why I fail to take even GVG seriously from any new or even recent games.
I know they're trying to appeal to us few left that aren't happy paying for scripted combat that we then memorize and exploit into boredom, but at the same time, they've put up walls in even their pvp with the +gear where unless you're top of the line, you'd better go farm pirates, because you're going nowhere in node wars or GVG or even 1 on 1 in most cases. It's a typical Runes of Magic clone.
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LOL @queuing into dungeons! That's so..... trendy. Queuing, instances, phasing, etc. are all modern ideas invented by lazy developers to help cater to the same people that would ragequit the moment pvp or 'contested' is mentioned in any forms, which is why I fail to take even GVG seriously from any new or even recent games.
Ok, so you're not talking about dungeons. What group content are you talking about exactly then? Some great theoretical group content that no MMO has?
As far as GVG, BDO is the first MMO I've ever played where it's been done well.
Yesterday- spent all day prepping then node war for a couple hours. Two guilds eventually teamed up and got our node, then one turned on the other and got their node too.
Today- no node wars, so just grinding in a group with my guild. Another guild shows up and trys to push mine out. Guild war is declared, but the other guild backs off.
Bottomline: I interacted with other people, especially my guild, more in the past 2 days than I have in years in other games (actually interacted- i.e. not just chatted with).
BDO in particular is definitely not trying to appeal to "every type of gamer", although it should appeal to every serious MMORPG player.
Why the judgement/labels? Why not say, "Any mature MMO player will like BDO." Serves the same purpose. Luckily, I'm not a "serious gamer." BDO appeals to me on no level of fun. But you enjoy it. Have fun. that's what gaming is all about, right?
I'd go with: "There has never been a better time to be a PC gamer"
I also believe that it will keep getting better...
If there's never been a better time to be a PC gamer, then that means this is the greatest era of pc gaming. Plus if I had just said that, there wouldn't be nearly as much spirited discussion in this thread.
I do agree that it will surely keep getting better.
Sorry but WOW is and always will be king of this genre. Will another game come out that will challenge its vast content etc? I doubt it very much.
I do however feel there is a gap for more survival games such as ARK, zombie surivival etc. I dont think that genre has had its big hit yet and i reckon it will come.
Another Holden blah blah blah thread. I swear he/she spends more time on these forums then playing any games, not sure how he/she would even have time to play the many games he/she jumps to weekly.
Trust me it will be another game soon that's his/her favorite in this greatest era of gaming.
While I can say that I have found games from today's offerings that entertain me, I am very much enjoying FFXIV right now, and Skyrim is probably my all time favorite video game, I still don't think of 2016 as the best time in the history of gaming for me. I think circa 1980 was probably the best best time spent IMO. It was the dawn of the console and all the neighborhood kids had one. I recall many summers in a row, travelling from house to house with MY bag of cartridges and we would all take turns at someone's house playing our favorite ROM. Yes, those were the days. However, in more recent times, 2000 to 2008 was my favorite for online gaming.
rofl. MMO's may be succeeding, but MMORPG's are failing in a huge way because all the companies want more money.
So? We can still be in a great era of PC gaming without great MMORPG. May be MMORPGs are just not that important to PC gaming anymore?
Personally i am very happy with gaming. Deus Ex, Dishonored, ... lots of great games going to be released. MGS Phantom Pain, Rise of the Tomb Raider .. lots of released great games I have not had time to play yet.
Seriously, a game isn't great until it's released so hold your opinion on games not out yet.
i think this is the worst era ever for gaming because it's clear that it's just a rush to get dull and boring hyped games with big names our to make their cash in the first week and yet the reality is that people are hating them when they get into the actual games, finding them to be shallow. The Division comes to mind plus plenty others I could name.
Another Holden blah blah blah thread. I swear he/she spends more time on these forums then playing any games, not sure how he/she would even have time to play the many games he/she jumps to weekly.
Trust me it will be another game soon that's his/her favorite in this greatest era of gaming.
I have the same thoughts running through my head. People will refute it with an argument of having moderation, but games I really loved in the past and even today I've playing whenever I get some free time. A lot of these people are always on the message board promoting their style of gameplay instead.
Too many people seem to be hoping for some game to miraculously 'save' them at some point in the indeterminate future, chances are that game will never happen, so live in the now, the future will come, or not, in its own good time. If your going to have any regrets, make its sure its for something you did, rather than for something you didn't.
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I am part of Gen X and we were a lot dumber, more hostile, and had a lot of bad habits like sitting in front of computers, eating pizza, and playing MMORPGs all day (no exercise). I find Gen Y is all about being nice and showing how smart they are. Gen X didn't care. None the less I found that gaming was a lot more fun (for me) in those days. I enjoyed all the bad habits when I was younger. I still enjoy the bad habits, but I'm much more health aware and now act more like a robot going through the daily healthy routine (somewhat boring).
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There is much more to do every day when I log in then there was in any MMO I've ever played, and I have way more choices.
Endgame is GVG focused which is something people have been begging for for a long time, and it is indeed tons of fun.
BDO in particular is definitely not trying to appeal to "every type of gamer", although it should appeal to every serious MMORPG player.
Have you tried the games I listed? If not, there's no harm in it, is there? You might find yourself branching out a bit and enjoying new things.
As for everyone else, I suppose it's possible for someone to have tried all the PC games and literally not like any of them, but I'd suggest that person probably just doesn't like video games to begin with.
I'm all for the GVG, but very very VERY few games that have tried it have done it right. Also, I see more people that will crucify you for just saying 'PVP' than I've ever seen begging for it in any form, including GVG.
The only thing it's missing group-wise is dungeons, but seriously, the game is better off without them. Queuing into dungeons and burning through them with random people you probably don't even talk to is not exactly what I would call "interesting group content".
But if that's the only "content" that counts as content to you, then yeah, BDO doesn't have much (none, actually).
I know they're trying to appeal to us few left that aren't happy paying for scripted combat that we then memorize and exploit into boredom, but at the same time, they've put up walls in even their pvp with the +gear where unless you're top of the line, you'd better go farm pirates, because you're going nowhere in node wars or GVG or even 1 on 1 in most cases. It's a typical Runes of Magic clone.
As far as GVG, BDO is the first MMO I've ever played where it's been done well.
Yesterday- spent all day prepping then node war for a couple hours. Two guilds eventually teamed up and got our node, then one turned on the other and got their node too.
Today- no node wars, so just grinding in a group with my guild. Another guild shows up and trys to push mine out. Guild war is declared, but the other guild backs off.
Bottomline: I interacted with other people, especially my guild, more in the past 2 days than I have in years in other games (actually interacted- i.e. not just chatted with).
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tetris
wonderboy in monsterland
ghouls n ghosts
double dragon
bubble bobble
cadilacs and dinosaurs
etc
etc
and a little later
rick dangerous
monkey island
shadow of the beast
another world
etc
etc
that was the golden era
I also believe that it will keep getting better...
I do agree that it will surely keep getting better.
The Game discussed in this Thread: 1/10 (It would be a 0 if not for the graphics alone).
Glad the OP liked it thou. To each their own.
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Will another game come out that will challenge its vast content etc?
I doubt it very much.
I do however feel there is a gap for more survival games such as ARK, zombie surivival etc. I dont think that genre has had its big hit yet and i reckon it will come.
Another Holden blah blah blah thread. I swear he/she spends more time on these forums then playing any games, not sure how he/she would even have time to play the many games he/she jumps to weekly.
Trust me it will be another game soon that's his/her favorite in this greatest era of gaming.
This is the greatest era of PC gaming ... and the worst generation of players.
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It's not the games ... it's you!
i think this is the worst era ever for gaming because it's clear that it's just a rush to get dull and boring hyped games with big names our to make their cash in the first week and yet the reality is that people are hating them when they get into the actual games, finding them to be shallow. The Division comes to mind plus plenty others I could name.
Too many people seem to be hoping for some game to miraculously 'save' them at some point in the indeterminate future, chances are that game will never happen, so live in the now, the future will come, or not, in its own good time.
If your going to have any regrets, make its sure its for something you did, rather than for something you didn't.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb