Im sick of WoW, played it for too long, i dont like Star wars, never did, FF14 is too cartoony and ESO is nice but not a proper PvE game its more PvP really. i really want a PvE game where i can do dungeons and raids with friends any night of the week. what do you recommend?
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ESO is more PvP?????
Well, if FF14 is too cartoony, then it means games like Lineage, Blade and Soul, Black Desert, Archeage even, are pretty much out of the question. O.o
I really love the raiding there but "cartoony" is an oft raised criticism. Even better, their next raid tier is scheduled to release in August.
PvE focused MMO's are not the future. Virtual world focused MMO where players are the focal point, the focus of the game play experience are what will help retain the player base. WOW: Legion already admitted they won't have new raiding tier now with every PvP season.
I might not even buy Legion, I'll just wait it out and catch up on other things I've been missing through the decade. MMO's are at the worst state possible atm, and thats evident in all these outdated, old MMO's that been around for 3+ years are still the only option.
People need to realize to deliver AAA complete MMORPG you need significant resources and time to build it up. It's not child's work with dozen devs or so working in some basement.
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I think you mean Wildstar is too cartoony, not FFXIV, right? Because FFXIV would also probably be your best bet besides Rift if you want non-cartoony raiding. Good luck.
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Still, if so-called "harcore" raiding is where your main interest lays, I'd say AoC. (a bit surprised it wasn't mentioned so far... )
Funcom is notoriously good with dungeons and raids, fun mechanics, nice balance (even if that part is not that important now as it was back in the days, when you needed 2 from each class for a smooth run), and a progression curve up to T6 - which I never cared about, for the record. I just did the raids occasionally for the fun, never for the drops and for chasing the higher tiers.
LotRO's raiding kicks in earlier, so you can test them sooner. AoC ones are a bit better, imo, even if I'm a big fan of Hele in LotRO. Both games use 24-man raid groups (LotRO has 12-man versions too).